what make you guys switch from aps-c to ff at one point?

Very true
People always say that Canon has stupid useless AF system in their entry level DSLR. I am using 550D for 3 years already, and shot some sports with it (paired with another slow af tamron 70-200). Yes it might not be a speed demon, but shooting sports/ moving subjects requires a lot timing and skills instead of a good camera. Prefocus is one thing you need to learn, same with controlling DOF (not zooming all the way out and wide open everytime, so that your camera has more space to get focus).

Not saying Prody shouldn't upgrade, but with that 17-55 and 60D, should be quite easy to shoot moving things with it. Furthermore, at most only 55mm f2.8 on a crop sensor, you are getting a lot DOF for half body/ full body pictures.

If i had the money to go FF, the main reason would be high ISO performance or DOF (not a MUST, but depends on how you utilize it, can be a good or a bad). also in Canon, you get a lot more glass choices with FF sensor (amazing lens like 17-40L, 24-105L around 2k). But with more and more announcements for m4/3 and Apsc system, it makes me consider again to go FF or not. FF sensor sometimes isn't that superior when compared to smaller sensor. You can use fast lenses wide open with smaller sensors most of the time without worrying getting out of focus shots since more DOF is provided. FF is better in high ISO, but when you need to stop down to get enough DOF, you are actually having the same IQ as APSC or M4/3 (imagine 1/100, f5.6 iso3200 on FF, 1/100 f2.8 iso800 on m4/3).

Also Canon's FF sensor isn't so much better than it's own APSC in terms of dynamic range compared to Sony sensors (commonly used on pentax , nikon and sony). In Sony FF/ nikon FF, you get a lot better dynamic range compared to their apsc models.

just my opinions

This post has been edited by mingyuyu: Sep 18 2014, 08:40 PM

I photographed chewren sports even using EOS 350D la.

Sometimes I also donno why people say they cannot photograph sports properly. Those entry level bodies CAN do a decent job in focusing.

If don't know how to set the camera and use it properly then it's user problem.

don focus too much on body , lens play an important character too , pairing a superior autofocus body without USM motor will be wasted , so it's not about the body itself , any entry level body + USM lens will do the job

Looks like canon has finally done something to imporve their sensor shadow noise in 7dii! Raw image below





http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpo...8&postcount=810

Looks good...
Even though im not planing to buy 7dii this is great news as canon next 5d and 1d will incorporates these new sensor technology

This post has been edited by thelightside: Sep 18 2014, 11:20 PM

Canon 7DII official brochure for those interested

http://www.usa.canon.com/CUSA/assets/app/p...ll_brochure.pdf

by the way sifus, how do I check my camera shutter count? eoscount now charges to check for the shutter count. any other way? Tried using photoshop, extracting exif data, all didn't work too..

that looks awesome indeed, hopefully the era of pattern noise is over

I saw Alex Lim twins at proton advertisment video lol

I bought the 17-55 about a year ago.

Around the time the 6d was coming out, I had a long thought about buying the 6d (inc the 24-105) and going the FF way.
In the end I decided to stick with APS-C which is why I bought the 17-55.
At that point my plan was already to buy the 7d mark ii if it were ever to come out.

Why not just give it a try in a shop and trust your gut feeling?

Yeah, I will certainly do that.

Too bad 17-55 is not wide enough, and 15-85 does not have constant maximum aperture.
It would be great is Canon makes an EF-s 15-40 F2.8

after you tasted 15-85, all other EF-S standard zoom become tasteless. Anything that starts with 17 or 18 are sad cases.

i read some people actually put their body in a sealed rice bag and leave it for few days or week until it dries completely. the body then gets back to work. here's a link to the rice trick

http://www.premiumbeat.com/blog/you-droppe...water-now-what/

This post has been edited by Grajindo: Sep 19 2014, 11:54 PM

Guidance needed here. How not to make photo too yellow and the front row boy's hand not look shaky. Iso was at 600.

Thank you in advanced.

This post has been edited by tboxmy: Sep 20 2014, 12:12 PM

shutter speed was too slow for the picture you posted. I can even see handshake from you.

Try to increase the ISO, maybe to iso1600 so you have a faster shutter speed to freeze the motion from children.

for the yellow part, you are using the wrong WB i think. it's quite easy to fix though, if your camera has Auto White Balance on it, try using that one, it's quite accurate most of the time. If not, choose the preset according to surrounding (for example daylight when you are outdoor). or you can adjust it in computer (using PS or Lightroom if you have it, or even Canon's own Digital Photo Professional).

If had time, would have tried diff iso and shutter speed. At least to see how higher iso can be used for this shot. WB need to be checked as I have not set that before.

always keep an eye for the Shutter Speed shown in the bottom left of the viewfinder when shooting, it helps a lot in preventing shaky/ blurred images

for events like that, try to go the widest aperture you can and shutter speed at least 1/100.

as for the photo - the skin tone looks fine, just slightly warm but overall it's acceptable. look at the other areas like the flags and leaves, the colors look fine. the whole photo looks yellow because of the walls around. white surfaces may show cast of the colors of the surrounding.