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Wah, you all really only come out during near midnight ah? Oh good, you are familiar with some of the verses. And you are correct in that it is not a matter of eternal salvation. We can start with your second verse (1 Cor 3:12).
QUOTE(pehkay @ Jun 24 2014, 8:24 AM)
13 The work of each will become manifest; for the day will declare it, because it is revealed by fire, and the fire itself will prove each one's work, of what sort it is.
14 If anyone's work which he has built upon the foundation remains, he will receive a reward;
15 If anyone's work is consumed, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
Although those believers whose Christian works are not approved by the Lord at His coming back will be saved, they will be saved so as through fire. Through fire surely indicates punishment.
"If anyone's work which he has built upon the foundation remains, he will receive a reward" (1 Cor. 3:14). If he doesn't built with the Triune God (gold/silver/precious stones), then no reward? What will this meant then if all receive reward?
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I believe all saved Christians are overcomers.
If this is true, we will problems [lots of] with including the verses you mentioned:
1) But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. - Matt 8:12
2) In Revelation, the word was spoken to the church, not to unbelievers, that there will be overcomers, a remnant (Rev 2-3).
3) Matt 18:23 "settle accounts with his slaves". Slaves definitely are not unbelievers. Verse 34, "And his master became angry and delivered him to the torturers until he would repay all that was owed." How can we explain this? This is the Lord's dealing with His believers at His coming back. If we do not forgive the brother who sins against us, we will be disciplined by the Lord until we forgive him from the heart, i.e., until we repay all that is owed. Then the Lord will forgive us. This is forgiveness in the kingdom. This implies that if we do not forgive a brother from our heart today, we will not be allowed to enter into the kingdom in the coming age.
4) 2 Cor 5:10 "For we must all be manifested before the judgement seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done through the body according to what he has practiced, whether good or bad."
5) Also, Paul's metaphor of running the race to gain the prize. It won't make sense if he thinks that he has the reward already. Before writing Timothy, he did mentioned that he hasn't got the reward, always forgetting behind and looking forward. How can we reconciled this?
5a) There are five aspects of the crowns. The crown, a symbol of glory, is given as a prize, in addition to the Lord's salvation, to the triumphant runner of the race (1 Cor. 9:25). In contrast to salvation, which is of grace and by faith (Eph. 2:5, 8-9), this prize is not of grace nor by faith, but is of righteousness through works (Matt. 16:27; Rev. 22:12; 2 Cor. 5:10). The believers will be recompensed with such a reward, not according to the Lord's grace but according to His righteousness.
The New Testament speaks of the believers being rewarded with five different kinds of crowns in the future.
In 2 Tim. 4:8 we have the crown of righteousness (2 Tim. 4:8). "The crown of life" (Rev. 2:10). "The unfading crown of glory” (1 Pet. 5:4). "They may receive a corruptible crown, but we, an incorruptible" (1 Cor. 9:25). "Joy or crown" (1 Thes. 2:19; Phil. 4:1).
And lot more verses from Hebrews, Matthew that is frequently used by our dear Arminianism brothers will be problematic if we adhere to this interpretation.For 1 Corinthians 2:9, the context is we are enjoying this reality now in our Christian life to those who love Him. We don't have to wait till then

. Though I can't imagine applying to the future that since the context is present.
The Bible is silent on what kind of disciplines as I don't think there is a ranking [fallen concept

- no such things]. But, based on the parable of the ten virgins (maturity in the divine life (oil in the vessel)) and slaves [faithfulness in service]. If we are not perfected in this short age, this 1000 years, the Lord will make sure all defeated believers matured in His life and to be faithful in service. This is just one aspect. We just don't analyse it too much when there is not much. But we can be sure, there will be a judgement on the believers.
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Bema Seat Judgement is a rewards ceremony. Different from the Great White Throne Judgement. If my interpretation of the chronology of events is correct, the Bema Seat Judgement takes place before the millenial kingdom commences. We would also have been given an incorruptible body which is no longer able to succumb to sin.
You are right that it is different from the great white throne judgement.
Shortly before the beginning of the great tribulation (which coincides with the second half of the last week in Daniel), the rapture of the overcoming believers to the heavens, including the rapture of the dead overcomers—the man-child (Rev. 12:1-11)—and the rapture of the living overcomers— the firstfruits (14:1-5), will take place. The remainder of the believers (the majority) will be raptured at the very end of the great tribulation. The rapture of the overcoming believers, especially of the man-child, will precipitate war in heaven, and the devil will be cast down to earth to form an evil trinity with Antichrist and the false prophet. After all the believers have been raptured, they will appear before the judgment seat of Christ to be judged not concerning eternal salvation (a matter which is settled once for all and which is eternally secure from the time we believe and are regenerated) but concerning reward or punishment during the age of the kingdom. Those who are approved by the Lord Jesus and receive a reward will enter into the Lord's joy and reign with Him in the millennial kingdom; those who are disapproved will not simply lose the reward but will also experience some kind of dispensational punishment in "the outer darkness" (Matt. 8:12; 22:13; 25:30).
The problem is not with sin but with the maturity of life. We can have a resurrected body but within like Paul mentioned, we are still not renewed, sanctified, transformed, conformed or glorified in our soul. We are still infants. The divine life that we have never experienced in our daily salvation (Phil.) will not magically appear

This is why, the foolish virgins do not have EXTRA oil (The Spirit) in their vessel (soul). They have only oil in their lamp (spirit - Proverbs) = they are genuinely saved. The Lord is not marrying a child Bride
P.S. Unless you genuinely really want to know, the matter of the kingdom reward solves both problems inherent in Calvinism and Arminianism. Do bring it up if you like to know more so that I won't waste anyone's time if you are not interested.
This matter of the judgment of the believers and of their being hurt by the fire is neither Calvinism nor Arminianism. According to Calvinism, once we are saved, we are saved forever, and there can be no further problem. In a sense, Calvinism is correct, for once we are saved, we are saved for eternity. However, we should not say that there can be no problems. There is the possibility of being burned in the fire. According to Arminianism, some may be saved in the morning and lose their salvation that night. Their salvation goes up and down like an elevator. Neither Calvinism nor Arminianism is according to the pure word of the Bible. The Bible reveals that we are saved for eternity, but that after we are saved, we need to overcome every sinful thing. If not, we shall be disciplined, punished. If you do not repent and confess your sin, but stay in adultery, in the next age you will be put into the fire and burned, not for eternal perdition, but as a dispensational punishment.
This is righteous! Otherwise, I can go and enjoy the world knowing that I have already obtained the reward. It really doesn't make sense

... and I can't convince anyone of that or myself
This post has been edited by pehkay: Jun 24 2014, 09:43 AM