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post Apr 18 2014, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 18 2014, 03:19 PM)
er.....don't have wor, only here. Sorry.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Time to have one? congratulation for version no 7.
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post Apr 21 2014, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(s1nn3r @ Apr 21 2014, 07:27 PM)
Thanks Brother... suffering is part of life... the more suffering, the more i find myself closer to GOD, i tend to forget GOD in good time, maybe this is HIS way to make me stay closer  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Been there before, had a miserably time at work and just follow the flow be patient dont do anything drastic til found a better job. Times like this best solace is go down on your knee and pray surely helps will come, slow but surely.
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post Apr 21 2014, 09:12 PM

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post Apr 21 2014, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 21 2014, 09:25 PM)
Whoa Nice!

In Heaven, everybody is young.  thumbup.gif
Here's another Christian movie, I think our local churches have yet to see.

http://www.graceunplugged.com/

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biggrin.gif Heaven, nice place to be around.

Still dig old epic like Ten Commandments, Samson and Delilah and Jesus Of Nazareth. mind blowing
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post May 29 2014, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ May 29 2014, 08:11 PM)
Like I said, that's an example of no spiritual maturity.
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You had one hell of a day, and kudos to u, u did very well. thumbup.gif
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post Jun 1 2014, 01:24 PM

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Anyone got altar at their home? need some advise how to set it up.

Is there any store in P.J?

Thanks.

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post Jun 1 2014, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Jun 1 2014, 02:06 PM)
Altar?
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post Jun 2 2014, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 1 2014, 10:15 PM)
There's one near Kelana Jaya, there's a Catholic Shop beside St Ignatus Church.

My perspective on this is that, scripturally speaking, there is no need for a physical Alter, what we can setup is Family Altar, where every family member gather in unity to pray as a corporate Family. Works just the same.
Very powerful defence mechanism against the Schemes of the devil.
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Thank for the advise.
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post Jun 2 2014, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(manickam123 @ Jun 2 2014, 07:15 PM)
i know we are just human and we make mistakes. But the thing here is, pastors are now using this "FOCUS ON GOD, NOT ON US"...credo to justify their actions and to continue with structural flaws at church.

Its just another way of saying "we are not bothered to improve ourselves, overcome any weaknesses we encounter whether its a political or organisation problem".

Just like the example of my friend who is a buil;ding committee at a big church. He grown disillusion with the leadership when they pound him with this credo.."we are not perfect, we should not fight, we should be peacemakers, we should focus on god".

then it became very clear the church was abusing funds to build a monolith building that they don't really need. Waste of funds ! Mismanagement. Luckily he left the church to another church, rather than to be a complete zombie follower.

There is another church in cheras, where they got over 50 young adults...but the leader rich businessman there, controls it with an iron fist with his 12 brainwashed followers. People go there, to serve serve and serve - no happiness and joy out of that. If some new guy came and wanted to just have a nice conversation, they just not layan him, want to play politics. The leader there say this is not a social club...of course not lah, but why make the whole place so unpleasant, and they usually will target those they don't like, be unfriendly to force that person out by attrition.

come on lah, even to serve also..cannot laugh meh? i am sure god want you all to enjoy what you doing mah...if like what unknown warrior say he joy in his suffering, why don't bring a bed of nails to go to church to worship...then sit on it, and sing song...more joy meh?

thought that your bible say the house of god is for everybody...and based on what i heard from friends who spoke about jesus helping the lame, poor, the troubled people, isn't christianity is about kindness and care for everybody?

not being wicked and mistreat others that you don't like.

when i was first invited with some people into that church, i knoew something was wrong, i had a hunch...after two meetings i never came back because first me no christian but second they are the most unfriendliest SOB and arrogant ones i ever met.

they speak of pharisees, but they act like one.

and another favourite weapon they like to use is to say that people who criticize people are ones who are "hurt" by them...but for me, i only there for two meetings...how can this be?

they just wanna say stuff like that to slander the people who bring out truths about them. They try to label people who speak up as troublemakers.

its their favourite weapon.

i am not saying and i hope not all churches are like that. But i am sure christians will continue to improve themselves, and not try to use the word to deflect their flaws. I am also not saying all christians are like that..but i have met some really nasty ones.

i met one christian in my office, he thinks he is always right because he is a chrsitian and he thinks god is backing all his actions at all times.

but when i see him make errors in his work, he tend to hide them...not admitting them, use the excuse focus on god not on me...and he thinks he is right all the time.

i heard in his church got one christian girl that like him, she join his cell group when he is the cg leader...btw this guy is 35 years old. i made a joke one day, about this girl..and he straight away bad mouthed her. He hate her so much that he wished she disappeard from the face of the earth. He got his whole cg to ignore her and mistreat her..until she gave up going to cg.

Wtf? He preach good news and profess love for people, but he treat this girl like shiit. Not only that, he think he is very high standard. I make jokes with him about this girl and that girl, he say all ugly. Then he pointed out which girl he liked, when i saw their picture...walao, i knew his standard very high.

but he should look at himself in the mirror...he is bald guy not handsome, he dont' accept other people opinion, to him ah, when he say something he want people to listen to him. When girl like him, he go and reject her badly.

this kind of guy ah, when he meets some girl he likes, very sure karma will come back to him.
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post Jun 13 2014, 10:18 PM

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Just to bump the thread!

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Simple and effective. smile.gif
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post Sep 23 2014, 08:25 PM

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Guys, please google Mario Joseph.

Very interesting.
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post Sep 23 2014, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Sep 21 2014, 09:24 PM)
I know cathedral jakarta ... still remember great architecture it is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakarta_Cathedral
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Found some pixs on the internet, very impressive. rclxms.gif


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post Oct 5 2014, 10:21 PM

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400 B.C.

The Old Testament began to be translated into Aramaic. This translation is called the Aramaic Targums. This translation helped the Jewish people, who began to speak Aramaic from the time of their captivity in Babylon, to understand the Old Testament in the language that they commonly spoke. In the first century Palestine of Jesus' day, Aramaic was still the commonly spoken language. For example maranatha: "Our Lord has come," 1 Corinthians 16:22 is an example of an Aramaic word that is used in the New Testament.
250 B.C. The Old Testament was translated into Greek. This translation is known as the Septuagint. It is sometimes designated "LXX" (which is Roman numeral for "70") because it was believed that 70 to 72 translators worked to translate the Hebrew Old Testament in Greek. The Septuagint was often used by New Testament writers when they quoted from the Old Testament. The LXX was translation of the Old Testament that was used by the early Church.

1. The following is a list of the oldest Greek LXX translations of the Old Testament that are still in existence.
Chester Beatty Papyri: Contains nine Old Testament Books in the Greek Septuagint and dates between 100-400 A.D.
Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus each contain almost the entire Old Testament of the Greek Septuagint and they both date around 350 A.D.
The New Testament

Autographs
45- 95 A.D. The New Testament was written in Greek. The Pauline Epistles, the Gospel of Mark, the Gospel of Luke, and the book of Acts are all dated from 45-63 A.D. The Gospel of John and the Revelation may have been written as late as 95 A.D.

Manuscripts
There are over 5,600 early Greek Manuscripts of the New Testament that are still in existence. The oldest manuscripts were written on papyrus and the later manuscripts were written on leather called parchment.

125 A.D. The New Testament manuscript which dates most closely to the original autograph was copied around 125 A.D, within 35 years of the original. It is designated "p 52" and contains a small portion of John 18. (The "p" stands for papyrus.)
200 A.D. Bodmer p 66 a papyrus manuscript which contains a large part of the Gospel of John.
200 A.D. Chester Beatty Biblical papyrus p 46 contains the Pauline Epistles and Hebrews.
225 A.D. Bodmer Papyrus p 75 contains the Gospels of Luke and John.
250-300 A.D. Chester Beatty Biblical papyrus p 45 contains portions of the four Gospels and Acts.
350 A.D. Codex Sinaiticus contains the entire New Testament and almost the entire Old Testament in Greek. It was discovered by a German scholar Tisendorf in 1856 at an Orthodox monastery at Mt. Sinai.
350 A.D. Codex Vaticanus: {B} is an almost complete New Testament. It was cataloged as being in the Vatican Library since 1475.
Translations
Early translations of the New Testament can give important insight into the underlying Greek manuscripts from which they were translated.

180 A.D. Early translations of the New Testament from Greek into Latin, Syriac, and Coptic versions began about 180 A.D.
195 A.D. The name of the first translation of the Old and New Testaments into Latin was termed Old Latin, both Testaments having been translated from the Greek. Parts of the Old Latin were found in quotes by the church father Tertullian, who lived around 160-220 A.D. in north Africa and wrote treatises on theology.
300 A.D. The Old Syriac was a translation of the New Testament from the Greek into Syriac.
300 A.D. The Coptic Versions: Coptic was spoken in four dialects in Egypt. The Bible was translated into each of these four dialects.
380 A.D. The Latin Vulgate was translated by St. Jerome. He translated into Latin the Old Testament from the Hebrew and the New Testament from Greek. The Latin Vulgate became the Bible of the Western Church until the Protestant Reformation in the 1500's. It continues to be the authoritative translation of the Roman Catholic Church to this day. The Protestant Reformation saw an increase in translations of the Bible into the common languages of the people.
Other early translations of the Bible were in Armenian, Georgian, and Ethiopic, Slavic, and Gothic.
1380 A.D. The first English translation of the Bible was by John Wycliffe. He translated the Bible into English from the Latin Vulgate. This was a translation from a translation and not a translation from the original Hebrew and Greek. Wycliffe was forced to translate from the Latin Vulgate because he did not know Hebrew or Greek.
The Advent of Printing
Printing greatly aided the transmission of the biblical texts.

1456 A.D. Gutenberg produced the first printed Bible in Latin. Printing revolutionized the way books were made. From now on books could be published in great numbers and at a lower cost.
1514 A.D. The Greek New Testament was printed for the first time by Erasmus. He based his Greek New Testament from only five Greek manuscripts, the oldest of which dated only as far back as the twelfth century. With minor revisions, Erasmus' Greek New Testament came to be known as the Textus Receptus or the "received texts."
1522 A. D. Polyglot Bible was published. The Old Testament was in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, and Latin and the New Testament in Latin and Greek. Erasmus used the Polyglot to revise later editions of his New Testament. Tyndale made use of the Polyglot in his translation on the Old Testament into English which he did not complete because he was martyred in 1534.
1611 A.D. The King James Version into English from the original Hebrew and Greek. The King James translators of the New Testament used the Textus Receptus as the basis for their translations.
1968 A.D. The United Bible Societies 4th Edition of the Greek New Testament. This Greek New Testament made use of the oldest Greek manuscripts which date from 175 A.D. This was the Greek New Testament text from which the NASV and the NIV were translated.
1971 A.D. The New American Standard Version (NASV) was published. It makes use of the wealth of much older Hebrew and Greek manuscripts now available that weren't available at the time of the translation of the KJV. Its wording and sentence structure closely follow the Greek in more of a word for word style.
1983 A.D. The New International Version (NIV) was published. It also made use of the oldest manuscript evidence. It is more of a "thought-for-thought" translation and reads more easily than the NASV.
As an example of the contrast between word-for-word and thought-for-thought translations, notice below the translation of the Greek word "hagios-holy"
NASV Hebrews 9:25. "...the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood not his own."
NIV Hebrews 9:25. "...the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own."
The NIV supplies "understood" information about the Day of Atonement, namely that the high priest's duties took place in the compartment of the temple known specifically as the Most Holy Place. Note that the NASV simply says "holy place" reflecting the more literal translation of "hagios."
The Integrity of the Manuscript Evidence
As with any ancient book transmitted through a number of handwritten manuscripts, the question naturally arises as to how confident can we be that we have anything resembling the autograph. Let us now look at what evidences we have for the integrity of the New Testament manuscripts. Let us look at the number of manuscripts and how close they date to the autographs of the Bible as compared with other ancient writings of similar age.

Tacitus, the Roman historian, wrote his Annals of Imperial Rome in about A.D. 116. Only one manuscript of his work remains. It was copied about 850 A.D.
Josephus, a Jewish historian, wrote The Jewish War shortly after 70 A.D. There are nine manuscripts in Greek which date from 1000-1200 A.D. and one Latin translation from around 400 A.D.
Homer's Iliad was written around 800 B.C. It was as important to ancient Greeks as the Bible was to the Hebrews. There are over 650 manuscripts remaining but they date from 200 to 300 A.D. which is over a thousand years after the Iliad was written.
The Old Testament autographs were written 1450 - 400 B. C.
The Dead Sea Scrolls date between 200 B.C. to 70 A. D and date within 300 years from when the last book of the Old Testament was written.
Two almost complete Greek LXX translations of the Old Testament date about 350 A. D.
The oldest complete Hebrew Old Testament dates about 950 A. D.
Genesis-Deuteronomy were written over 1200 years before the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Codex Vaticanus is an almost complete Greek translation of the Old Testament dating around 350 A.D. The Aleppo Codex is the oldest complete Old Testament manuscript in Hebrew and was copied around 950 A.D. The Dead Sea Scrolls date from within 200-300 years from the last book of the Old Testament. However since the five books of Moses were written about 1450- 1400 B.C. the Dead Sea Scrolls still come almost 1200 years after the first books of the Old Testament were written.

The New Testament autographs were written between 45-95 A. D.
There are 5,664 Greek manuscripts some dating as early as 125 A. D. and an complete New Testament that dates from 350 A. D.
8,000 to 10,000 Latin Vulgate manuscripts.
8,000 manuscripts in Ethiopic, Coptic, Slavic, Syriac, and Armenian.
In addition, the complete New Testament could be reproduced from the quotes that were made from it by the early church fathers in their letters and sermons.
Authorship and dating of the New Testament books
Skeptics and liberal Christian scholars both seek to date the New Testament books as late first century or early second century writings. They contend that these books were not written by eyewitnesses but rather by second or third hand sources. This allowed for the development of what they view as myths concerning Jesus. For example, they would deny that Jesus actually foretold the destruction of Jerusalem. Rather they would contend that later Christian writers "put these words into his mouth."

Many of the New Testament books claim to be written by eyewitnesses.
The Gospel of John claims to be written by the disciple of the Lord. Recent archeological research has confirmed both the existence of the Pool of Bethesda and that it had five porticoes as described in John 5:2. This correct reference to an incidental detail lends credibility to the claim that the Gospel of John was written by John who as an eyewitness knew Jerusalem before it was destroyed in 70 A. D.
Paul signed his epistles with his own hand. He was writing to churches who knew him. These churches were able to authenticate that these epistles had come from his hands (Galatians 6:11). Clement an associate of Paul's wrote to the Corinthian Church in 97 A. D. urging them to heed the epistle that Paul had sent them.
The following facts strongly suggest that both the Gospel of Luke and the Book of Acts were written prior to 65 A.D. This lends credibility to the author's (Luke) claim to be an eyewitness to Paul's missionary journeys. This would date Mark prior to 65 A.D. and the Pauline epistles between 49-63 A.D.
Acts records the beginning history of the church with persecutions and martyrdoms being mentioned repeatedly. Three men; Peter, Paul, and James the brother of Jesus all play leading roles throughout the book. They were all martyred by 67 A.D., but their martyrdoms are not recorded in Acts.
The church in Jerusalem played a central role in the Book of Acts, but the destruction of the city in 70 A.D. was not mentioned. The Jewish historian Josephus cited the siege and destruction of Jerusalem as befalling the Jews because of their unjust killing of James the brother of Jesus.
The Book of Acts ends with Paul in Rome under house arrest in 62 A.D. In 64 A.D., Nero blamed and persecuted the Christians for the fire that burned down the city of Rome. Paul himself was martyred by 65 A.D. in Rome. Again, neither the terrible persecution of the Christians in Rome nor Paul's martyrdom are mentioned.

Conclusion: These books, Luke-Acts, were written while Luke was an eyewitness to many of the events, and had opportunity to research portions that he was not an eyewitness to.
The church fathers bear witness to even earlier New Testament manuscripts
The earliest manuscripts we have of major portions of the New Testament are p 45, p 46, p66, and p 75, and they date from 175-250 A. D. The early church fathers (97-180 A.D.) bear witness to even earlier New Testament manuscripts by quoting from all but one of the New Testament books. They are also in the position to authenticate those books, written by the apostles or their close associates, from later books such as the gospel of Thomas that claimed to have been written by the apostles, but were not.

Clement (30-100 A.D.) wrote an epistle to the Corinthian Church around 97 A.D. He reminded them to heed the epistle that Paul had written to them years before. Recall that Clement had labored with Paul (Philippians 4:3). He quoted from the following New Testament books: Luke, Acts, Romans, 1 Corinthians, Ephesians, Titus, 1 and 2 Peter, Hebrews, and James.
The apostolic fathers Ignatius (30-107 A.D.), Polycarp (65-155 A.D.), and Papias (70-155 A.D.) cite verses from every New Testament book except 2 and 3 John. They thereby authenticated nearly the entire New Testament. Both Ignatius and Polycarp were disciples of the apostle John.
Justin Martyr, (110-165 A.D.), cited verses from the following 13 books of the New Testament: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, 1 Corinthians, Galatians, 2 Thessalonians, Hebrews, 1 and 2 Peter, and Revelation.
Irenaeus, (120-202 A.D.), wrote a five volume work Against Heresies in which,
He quoted from every book of the New Testament but 3 John.
He quoted from the New Testament books over 1,200 times.



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