any one recommend a medium sized church nearby Kepong with a sizeable crowd of working adults?
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Apr 27 2014, 02:05 PM
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any one recommend a medium sized church nearby Kepong with a sizeable crowd of working adults?
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Jun 18 2014, 09:46 AM
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jun 17 2014, 04:25 PM) Apologies to spacelion in advance, I'm not humiliating you. I feel that this is a very important topic to learn. But is your pastor the charity ? You are there to meet his needs, and then allocate the church funds to doing stuff. Not host extravagant parties and fund raising events that mirror what a secular charity would do.Mintak tolong Unknown warrior clarify it to other folks here. Is this the case of hand telling the foot that it's useless? I personally don't agree that money is useless considering my history. My old church practically couldn't support itself from the lack of funds. Sampai pastor almost cannot buy his food. Is the true problem the reverse? Money is fuel, workers are the engines. Fuel without engine is no point, engine without fuel also cannot jalan. I have the impression that there's not enough fuel in some parts, too much fuel in others. I'm not going to judge your pastor based on his actions, but if he was that poor maybe he could have taken a job instead of trying to rely on the church to feed him. But hey, like I said, time is precious and most people are unwilling to sacrifice time to help others or oneself. This post has been edited by spacelion: Jun 18 2014, 09:48 AM |
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Jun 18 2014, 12:01 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 18 2014, 10:33 AM) Yes. Although I dont see the reasoning as to why you would question one's faith in this. What I said is applicable to almost every religion out there, people are too obsessed with giving money instead of time.This post has been edited by spacelion: Jun 18 2014, 12:11 PM |
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Jun 18 2014, 02:32 PM
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QUOTE(ysuyan @ Jun 18 2014, 12:25 PM) Well, in today's world, ppl thinking that "giving money" = doing God's work. I agree, that was the point that I was trying to make.What I can say, Yes, we do give, but He will be more happy if we spend more time with Him. When we spend more time with Him, His works, glorify His name, we ourselves able to smile from the bottom of our heart. Although I am amazed at Sophie's discourse that her old church had a dependent pastor who was unable to make ends meet. Notice that even the disciples had jobs while they were following Jesus around, they didn't just drop their vocations and follow Him around 24/7. |
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Jun 18 2014, 04:14 PM
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jun 18 2014, 03:47 PM) He has tried to find employment but failed. Law of South Africa cannot be applied in Malaysia. English class also tak jadi. I knew a South African pastor who was married, he had to divorce and go back to his country. Name was Wayne (i think). Orang putih. I would appreciate to not immediately jump into conclusions that we do super extravagant needless things. I'm not going to argue with you, we can do that over sotong (although I would rather not), but unless someone has some kind of disability it is very hard to understand how one can be jobless. |
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Jun 18 2014, 04:20 PM
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Jun 19 2014, 12:53 AM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 19 2014, 12:02 AM) It's not less important. It's equally important. this is not about tithing.Just for the record, no believers of Christ should feel condemn if they're unable to help. That's why I posted my explanation to spacelion, those who are able to give consistently has been given a gift indeed. Not everyone has this gift. My theological perspective from scripture, tithing is important. If everyone tithe truthfully, Churches should not have financial difficulties. I mean if you are able to do this, you have already done a huge part of helping out the body of Christ, that is from world perspective, if only they understand tithing is more than that. It's a declaration of Faith and declaration proclaiming God is alive. Problem is, not many Christian believes in tithing. They have 101 excuses when it comes to parting money. Sometime I just shake head, some people can scream till the cow comes home contesting in knowledge how much they know the bible, how much they love God but when it comes to money, every tune start to change. |
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