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Actually salvation study can be a pretty deep study. It has to cover all the different perspective using many passage from the bible to see the 'complete' picture. Meaning, it should not be based on just one verse only.

If you do have this book entitled 'Romans (The Heart Set Free)' by Gordon Ferguson, do check it out. He explained a lot in greater depth.

Anyway, it short, we are saved by grace through faith in what Jesus has done on the cross.

" For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God " Eph 2:8

But this faith is not a "passive" faith but an "active/true" faith. Active/true faith means that we will do something about it if we really believe Jesus is our Lord, like we will repent, surrender to Him and make a life-long commitment with Him (baptism).

You just quote the right one. Tell me how easy is it to really really beat your breast in repentance and admit to God you deserve no mercy no grace no love from Him apart from your dirty little soul tht you can offer to Him.. ??? man that is not easy I tell you... i know it bcuz i exp it myself.. on the verge of suicide........

sometimes wonder whether is this gonna work ?? signing petition

Right.

So how can only a few finds it be right?

Unless it's not referring to the same thing.

What do you think?

No lah broo sonido... salvation IS EASY, but what to do after got salvation ISN'T EASY. what to do after salvation is called in philipians 2:12 as work on salvation. Doing Phil 2:12 is challenging. or in your word ... ISN'T EASY.

Brother, many people forgot to quote the next line.

12 So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.

Suddenly we have that urge to do what is right all the time... suddenly we truly fear God... suddenly we hv the desires to pray constantly...

There are two ways which i am pretty sure are the only ways to salvation. Read the story of the prodigal son luke 13 something.. one through painful way and another through obedience.

The prodigal son did nothing to earn God's love, God has always love Him even when he went away.
He did not obey any of God's law to earn the right to step into the Father's house.
All He did was coming back to the embrace of the Father's Love.


Not too sure which other prodigal story about painful way and through obedience, do you mean the Parable of the Rich Young Ruler?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 22 2014, 02:36 PM

The story stressed the emotions of the prodigal son when he returned to his father. He came a defeated man. A total loser. A deadwood. A piece of fkn shit..Someone who is about to die if not for God. I understand this very clear... I hope you do understand to...Do not leave this things out. God's love require certain conditions from us for it to work.

What i mean is 'self-denial'. As in Matthew 16: 24, Jesus said to his disciples,“Whoever wants to be my disciple must DENY THEMSELVES and take up their cross and follow me."

The prodigal son did not come to his father wanting to be saved. He denied himself the right of a son and he just wanted to be given a place amongst the worker and treated as a worker. This is very important ingredient of salvation which many sadly overlook for an easier way instead....

This post has been edited by sonido: Aug 22 2014, 04:23 PM

sorry for all the hardship u went through. glad u already moving on.

anyway the way u talk is like the Pharisee pinpoint the tax collector's wrongdoing. it's graceless. want to get salvation? do this and that, get a "bachelor of degree in Christ" then we talk. when what God want is just u to say sorry to him and his door will always open for u. what so hard? what u do is just scare off pipu to know the gospel which is all about love. God is love.

hai guise, didnt know there's such tered here! God leads me here i guess haha amen.

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Yeah, my church also teach that God suffers alongside us. Pray not for instant solution but strength to get through the situation.

Aduhai so hard to talk to these people though. Say we all brainwashed

I guess we both wrong. Its just i dislike the word easy when the path i took b4 i knew God is anything but easy. It is painful. Hope you don't feel hurt by my comments, sometimes i get angry very easily...

Bro Sonido,

I was thinking of what you just said here and I fully understand why this matter to you...... because it relate to you.
You said you were on the verge of suicide and realize you need to fulfil God's condition to love you and to be saved, right?

But I hope you can hear me out. Though I may disagree with you in the context of explaining of the prodigal son, that does not mean I discredit what you went through as real experience.

God actually love you whether you fulfil that condition or not. It is not your act that cause God to love you more or less.
He loves you unconditionally because you are his son not because you fulfil God's condition.
Because if that is true then God's Love is conditional which goes against what the Bible has been teaching all along.

I pray the Holy Spirit open your eyes to understand God's Love.

Actually the main character in the prodigal Son is not really the prodigal son but the Father.

If you study the passage carefully, you realize the Prodigal son didn't actually repent in honesty. If you think that his emotion caused the Father to love Him, bear in mind this story is talking about God the Father who is omniscience and knows and searches deep in the hearts of Man. He knows whether his repentance is real or not. I can tell you it's not.

The only reason He came back to the Father is because of his stomach, nothing else. (Luke 15:17) His repentance speech is nothing but superficial.
It's just a Mask.

The real Hero of the Story is the Father because it shows the Grace and Love of a Father many find hard to believe. They will say it's too good to be true, no such thing. So many will think there must be something the Father wants, he can't be that good. So they try to fulfil the Father to make him happy. To me that is the work of the devil blasphemy and twisting what is the truth.

That is exactly what happened to the elder brother who said.

Luke 15:29-30
29 But he answered his father Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. 30 But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!’

He thinks that the Father's love require such conditions as above.

It saddens and pain the Father that his son thinks like this because the Father never love with such conditions. His Love is Agape.

Listen to what the Father says.

31“ ‘My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours.

That debunks the notion that we need to fulfil God's condition for his love, The Kingdom of God (Access to Heaven's Resources) has been given gladly to you willingly. (Luke 12:32 ).

Think about this again.

Who is the one is waiting for the Son return? The Father
Who is the one who couldn't wait for the son to reach the door and Ran to Him? The Father
Who is the one who hug and Kiss in adoration? The Father
Who is the one who restored all status and authority? The Father
Who is the one who celebrated? the Father.

You think the story is really about the prodigal son and what He did so great to earn the Father's love?
He couldn't even rehearse his "repentance" speech correctly. U notice he never even complete what He wanted to say in total.

Tell you the truth, it's as if the Father is not so concern about that but more on his coming back Home.
Because real repentance comes from the power of God.

No, this story is to tell you how Graceful our God is.

You're learning quick.

They can say until they foam in the mouth, don't care. What is important is God is with us not against us.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 22 2014, 09:22 PM

The Parable of The prodigal Son was used by Jesus to describe on the Jews during Jesus time, and it was often served as a reminder to Us that God has never abandoned us but He is Watching from the Heaven above

John 3:16 was the best word to describe how great God love is and answer to the Prodigal son parable

The love of God is unconditional I agree completely.

However, I disagree when you say the prodigal son is faking it because if he is faking it he would have returned imediately to his father the moment a problem in his life sets in. He would not endured the suffering and the humiliation of working amongst pigs, to a point that he began to think of eating pigs food due to his hunger. He knew of his mistakes to his father, and he justified his return to his father must only be as a person seeking a job there, not as a son returning. This is what God wish to see in a person true heart; Justice, Honesty, Humility. Not faking it.

Second, following your belief that the prodigal son is faking it, a person may starts to think that faking his repentance, or that repentance can be repeated again and again and again, because God is always there with His everlasting unconditional love is dangerous.

Instead, we must revered Salvation. Salvation is not a cheap, easy-to-get, can get whenever and wherever we choose to mechanism for a christian to get away with most things, even sinning blatantly towards God. Because their idea is God is always forgiving right? No... Remember the sacrifice Jesus made is extremely invaluable, so we cannot just call his sacrifice easy and cheap.

Salvation is a one of situation, once in a lifetime chance. There is no second chance. To reject salvation after receiving it is to insult God, thus His Spirit thus whoever does this is sure to receive Hell.

This post has been edited by sonido: Aug 23 2014, 12:16 AM

Yeah.

23 God paid a high price for you, so don’t be enslaved by the world. 24 Each of you, dear brothers and sisters, should remain as you were when God first called you. - 1 Co 7: 23-24

Not everyone is open and accept God's love and grace at first, but I think God remain persistent of His love for all of us and continue to reach out to us and hopefully one day we will turn to Him.

This applies to we reaching out to our friends.

This post has been edited by ngaisteve1: Aug 23 2014, 08:54 AM

Well if you completely agree that God's love is unconditional then why do you insist on putting conditions as above?
Don't you agree when you agree one thing but do the opposite you contradict your own believe?


Do you know what lead him to repentance?

Luke 15:17
17 “When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have food to spare, and here I am starving to death!

His stomach is the driving objective to come back. It's there. Read it again.
I've studied this theological aspect for the longest time.

And Do you know when you said the prodigal son returned justified because he wanted to be a hired servant not as a son, do you know that displeases the father very much?
I've proved it to you, have you read the part where I explained about the older brother?

What do you mean by rejecting Salvation? Do you understand meaning of the scripture that's tied to that context?

Yes I know Salvation is not cheap, I've share that myself in my previous post but that doesn't mean you can put up rules and regulations when God never imposed such.
That is rather dangerous my friend.

BTW when you talked about repentance being repeated because one is insincere, do you agree that a believer is unable to repent on his own strength?

Come, Share with unker UW.
Don't get angry bro, I'm here to share and learn from you as well.