Short answer: China. The Christians there are very passionate though they are persecuted.
Other, you can google or listen to testimonies by missionaries to China

Left out in what sense? Nobody come talk to you? You join but feel you not ngam key with them?
Or generation gap?
Join the prayer meeting or Bible Study or Home Cell. If want more socialising, it does take more effort.

For me, less kacauing me better. Other than serving/ministry (ie work) matters, I quickly buzz off to avoid the pot pet pot pet, from Genesis to Revelation also they can cerita.

If the pastor is full time, it IS his job to look after the sheep, ie members. That itself, takes up a lot of time. It's not just preaching on Sundays, visitations, counselling, giving Bible studies, conducting prayer meetings. Visitation & counselling takes up the bulk of their time. If the church has 100 members or more,can imagine.

If your church is small, then can have lay pastor but the lay pastor cant do much cos he has a day job. Any emergency cant immediately go.
I was helping one of my assistant pastors, from morning to night the pastor is busy with ministry. She was overseeing 3 ministries, I only serve small part in one ministry already have so many things to do.

Didnt the pastor vet thru first before selecting CG leader? Must be of mature character,etc,etc. And then need to go thru CG leader training session first.
AND, if possible, CG with majority married people, the leader is married. Single adults have another CG.
There're even CG according to age group or gender - college students, single adults, senior adults, ladies fellowship, men's fellowship. So just choose one that can click with

But I dunno what denomination you're from. For pentecostal, we can have female CG leader(there are more sisters than brothers in churches anyway), even female pastor.

This post has been edited by eaglehelang: Oct 15 2014, 02:09 AM

How to gather, have online CG meeting, video conferencing? Esp if we are not from same states

Well, in a sense the leader is right, CG is not social club per se. A lot of ppl treat it like social club, i.e. cerita2, gossip2, more on gossiping session. A lot of ppl just go to CG to let off steam, cerita2, that's it.

To me, that's wasting time and energy, go there, listen to them gossip2, grumble abt their life problems. But since I dont have high expectation, then wouldn't disaapointed. I also will not share personal matters during CG.

As for the insurance guy, he shouldnt divulge other members private matters. BUT, he ffk you at mamak stall also want to kira meh? In life and ministry, many2 more challenges we face, worse than what you describe ada byk.
Our focus should be on God, human, even the supposed matured christians, are flawed.



This post has been edited by eaglehelang: Oct 15 2014, 01:47 PM

Of course prayer, the Word part got. But as you know, the pot pet pot pet part is much longer than prayer or Bible discussion.

For the extrovert who needs to socialize, yeah. For the introvert, not really.

This post has been edited by eaglehelang: Oct 15 2014, 05:36 PM

Bro, ideally yes. But in real life, some of us bring our hurts & 'old man' into our Christian life, CG, ministry.

Leader responsibility, yes, a lot. Care for the sheep, pray for them, counsel them, even when they look for leader middle of the night. If some CG members feel left out, leader is supposed to do something to make them feel welcome.
It's just some are not equipped enough to CG leader or were thrust into position(nobody liao they do lor). Or not the right personality to be CG leader, ie not a people person.

CG not social club statement usually refers to CG being gossiping center, which what I find it to be. Hence am guarded in what I share. Talk about general issues, the church, include court case on Allah issue, that one boleh. Personal matter better not, wait Tom, d***, Harry & their friends will know abt it.
Only very close friends share all.

Hence I mentioned abt CG leader not having the right personality(people oriented). That is one of the criteria for selection.
There are people when we think of them - ohhh, bro/sis so & so, cannot, not suit to be CG leader, be administrative leader can lah.

This post has been edited by eaglehelang: Oct 15 2014, 07:36 PM

Talk of course can, but got burnt liao with the gossipers. Serving & talk about ministry(ie like work), pray, that one no problem. As long as "do not give gathering together"

Depends on individual lah, some like going for fellowship, I find more draining, harder task than my work
I will really share only with few selected close friends. Others, nope.

Actually, in Cell Group church concept, when reach 15 to 20 ppl in church, need to multiply. But, but, but, the pastor needs to have wisdom in implementation. In my church, its terbalik. CG can have 20 members, with at least 10 regulars.
But didnt multiply cos : 1) noone willing to step up to be leader if multiply. No leader, cannot multiply lor.
2) The existing members too comfy with each other, dont want separate.
Smaller churches or churches in smaller towns have this problem. Harder to find mature christian who can lead cell

. Plus my senior pastor criteria/standard is qiite high - all leaaders must attend prayer meeting, must attend monthly leader's meeting, be early for service.

I'm sure u know the reason multiply - so the CG can grow, have more members. And the leader can give more personal attention. For ur church punya case, looks like they just see the membership and terus multiply.

As for ppl being thin skin, stimes ppl have expectation among church members. I myself also got kena complain - why frown and muka masam when serving during altar call. Actually its my leg and back pain, every time on duty must stand 1 to 2 hours.
So what I do? Dont bother lah. And tell my pastor whoever complain are most welcome to take over my duty, hahaha.
Talking in church at times we need be more diplomatic than outside cos non christian talk rough is expected. So, when we talk a bit rough with non christian, they dont mind, they talk more rough than us.
In church talk rough a bit, 'aiya, why this bro/sis talk like that one? Christian shouldnt talk like that' some are judgemental of others, they have their own issues.


Like the other poster said, we cant control what other ppl respond. We can only control our response.
The rest leave to God.

Hahaha, quite cute the story .

Errr, personally I think even the CG leader not quite ready to be leader. But my standard high lah
As in all the duties of CG leader
- share the word, as in having Bible study/discussion session.
- Praise & Worship - Song lead - this one can rotate between the members
- Icebreaker - games - can rotate with members
- Prayer- pray for one another or church or Msia, whatever topic
- Counselling members
- Visitation - visit members who absent quite some time from church or CG.

Cell group church concept, CG session have 4 parts - Icebreaker, Praise & worship, sharing the Word, Prayer. Something like that, I went thru the course before.

And usually(the churches I have been to) it's the senior pastor or pastor in charge of cell group or deacon in charge of cell group who selects the leader and assistant. With recommendation from the cell leader.

I say my standard high cos the CG I've been to is lead by one of the deacons of my church, know the word very well that type. Members also many long time Christians, can discuss A to Z, refer scripture verse.

But if dunno scripture A to Z never mind, got materials provided, the pastor supposed to provide one leh. If takda pastor, at least deacon, deacon supposed is matured Christian. So many materials out there, can take from Bible study one, follow topical kah, follow book by book kah.

Harder is follow each week sermon,as in discuss what the pastor preach during Sunday service the week before, this one if the leader not really well versed in the Word will get stuck.

This post has been edited by eaglehelang: Oct 18 2014, 11:56 PM

Of course not leader do everything, Main thing is sharing the word. This can share with assistant if assistant matured enough. Same with visitation. Other duties can rotate with cell members

Haha, I guessed the same one as yours

The actor who potrayed Jesus was really dedicated.
Movies that came out after Passion of Christ, cant compare, in terms of accuracy.