Lol ... too much time spent on enterprise support aren't you?

It is not like Nostradamus' writing ... not trying to be cryptic for the sake of being cryptic.

What is in the Old Testament is a typology, a set of types. Then what is in the New Testament is a complete fulfillment of that typology concerning God’s purpose.

It's just like a book ... you need pictures [which is like a picture is worth a thousand words] and the definitions, explanation etc.

Thus, the entire Bible, both the Old Testament and the New Testament, is first a picture of God’s purpose and then a full definition and fulfillment of God’s purpose.

On the one hand, if we want to know the Old Testament, we must come to the New Testament definition. In the Old Testament, we can see only the pictures. On the other hand, if we want to know the New Testament, we have to spend the time to look at all these pictures.

So, the Old Testament presents a figurative portrait of God’s eternal purpose spanning thirty-nine books, but it is only in four sections—in types, in history, in poetry, and in prophecy.

.. i mentioned shadow copy because it seems that i, too, see what i "want" to see. because it is in my experience to put the two words together and see something different..

I've been a Christian for a few years. I was wondering, has anybody here studied on how Christianity integrates with Chinese culture?

I found this melody from the strangest source... Rero Rero Rero

It's nice to hear Jewish folk music. Gives you an idea of how they worship back in the day

Hi anyone know whether living hope Methodist church in Kota kemuning is open tomorrow since it a satellite church. Thanks

Unless you are thinking of some of the Chinese character's root to Genesis .... I am afraid there isn't any relationship with Chinese culture.

Furthermore, the book of Colossians reveals that Christ is versus culture. 2:8 Paul says, “Beware that no one carries you off as spoil through his philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the elements of the world, and not according to Christ.”

Colossians 3:10-11 says, "And have put on the new man, which is being renewed unto full knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, where there cannot be Greek and Jew, circumcision and uncircumcision, barbarian, Scythian, slave, free man, but Christ is all and in all."

In the world the greatest distinction is based on nationality. The Jews and the Greeks are two very distinctive races. So no more nationality.

The second distinction is between free men and slaves. This distinction has also been eliminated in Christ. No more social class.

The third distinction is between male and female. In Christ and in the new man, the male and the female have the same status; there is no distinction between them. The male does not occupy a special position; neither does the female.

The fourth distinction is between barbarians and Scythians. This is a distinction of culture. There are differences in cultural standards, yet Paul told us that the cultural distinctions of barbarians and Scythians alike have been abolished in Christ.

The final distinction is between circumcision and uncircumcision. This distinction has to do with marks of piety in the flesh or rituals. The Jews have the mark of circumcision on their bodies. It shows that they belong to God, that they fear God, and that they reject the flesh. Yet they overemphasize circumcision. Acts 15 speaks of some Jews who tried to compel the Gentiles to be circumcised.



In this new man you have no place. In other words, in this new man the Jew has no place, and neither does the Greek. The American has no place, and neither does the British. The Japanese has no place, and neither does the Chinese. In this new man the natural man has no place. The hating ones have no place. Neither do the loving ones have any place. We all have no place in this man. The quick one has no place. The slow one also has no place. Circumcision refers to the religious ones and uncircumcision to the unreligious ones. The religious ones and the unreligious ones all have no place in this new man. The civilized or the barbarian have no place. The slaves and the freemen have no place because Christ in this new man is all the persons. Christ becomes you and Christ becomes me. Christ becomes every one of us. Christ is all the persons and Christ is in all the persons. In this new man it is not a matter of being humble, kind, gentle, or loving. It is altogether a matter of a person living in us. In this new man it is not a matter of morality, ethics, or goodness. In this new man there is only one person.

Wow, that's certainly a very lengthy reply. I was more or less focused on this aspect of the relationship between Christianity and the Chinese. I am aware that among Chinese people, there's this sentiment that "Christianity is for the foreigners and other races. Their God is foreign.", that sort of thing. I was wondering how should we best demonstrate and show that that shouldn't be the case.

I feel that attracting Chinese to Christ by "packaging" Christianity to appeal to their culture is a no no The result today, is churches tend to be of a certain culture, language and practices. This is unfortunately, not a good testimony. The church is a golden lampstand (expressing divine nature of God - gold).

We should only present Christ Jesus as the Attracting One to people. The best way is to personally experience Christ as the attracting factor to gain people in a normal way.

In other words, we hardly live Christ out as the Most Wonderful Person in the universe We only live ourselves. There is hardly any living out of Christ that attracts people to say, I want to live in this way.

So, there is a need to firstly let the Lord has His way in us. He may deal with out "chineseness" that frustrate bring salvation to the Orang Asli, for example.

John 15:2 says, “Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes it away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it that it may bear more fruit.”

We must go to the Lord to have a thorough dealing with Him, opening ourselves and presenting ourselves to Him without any covering for the self. We must strip off our cover as much as possible and present ourselves fully on the altar. We should say, "Lord, here I am. Come to enlighten me. Shine upon me. Investigate, examine, test, and expose me. Do everything You can to bring me fully into the light that I may see my real situation." If we do this, we will immediately see several items that we must deal with. Perhaps the first item we need to deal with concerns our wife. We may need to say, "Lord, forgive me. I am constantly wrong in my attitude toward my wife.” Then the Lord will demand that we go to her to make a thorough confession and ask her forgiveness. It seems that this has nothing to do with the preaching of the gospel.

Bit by bit, the Lord transform us inwardly, eventually, Christ is slowly being expressed in our speaking, action, living etc ... people will be attracted.

This is, I feel, is the real preaching of the gospel. It is not a work but a living with the outflow of the divine life within us to bear fruit.

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I know this doesn't answer your question. It is also just my fellowship and opinion. You don't have to accept it

But perhaps, you can see that the problem does not really lies outwardly with people, but that we have never given any ground to the Lord.

Sorry, if you post any response, I will revert back tomorrow.

Much grace!

This post has been edited by pehkay: May 31 2014, 09:04 PM

Short answer: China. The Christians there are very passionate though they are persecuted.
Other, you can google or listen to testimonies by missionaries to China

Thank you for your lengthy reply. It's given me some food for thought.

Anyone got altar at their home? need some advise how to set it up.

Is there any store in P.J?

Thanks.

Altar?

This post has been edited by Brusky: Jun 1 2014, 08:13 PM

Forgive me for saying this, but doesn't this look a tad bit like idolatry?

I guessing you are Catholic.

You are our brother in Christ.

But I am sorry, I can't help you in this matter as I myself do not stand with this matter

Shadow copy here is not in reference to an obscure history but referring to the way the Temple of God being built in the Old Testament.

The focus is on Salvation.

Why Christ Jesus came and why the Old Covenant has been replaced.

There's one near Kelana Jaya, there's a Catholic Shop beside St Ignatus Church.

My perspective on this is that, scripturally speaking, there is no need for a physical Alter, what we can setup is Family Altar, where every family member gather in unity to pray as a corporate Family. Works just the same.


Very powerful defence mechanism against the Schemes of the devil.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jun 1 2014, 10:22 PM

Hi Sophiera,

I find this song quite relaxing,

Gospel Choir from Oslo.

oh! they moved this here.........

wonder if this thread might get more exposure under Serious Kopitiam. well......admins decide.........


how ironic to see the Atheist & Agnostics thread sitting side by side

pains me to read the thread over thr & some questions that go through my mind while reading those posts :

- God draws to Him whom he wills
- hardening of the heart
- the chosen ones
- they think we are brainwashed while on the other hand, we think they're not enlightened & lost

lets discuss...........

Thank for the advise.