I mean it doesn't deter me, because I go there for God and to help others. Not to see who is wealthy, who's doing what, this or that.

I don't go to church for Man but for God. That is my principal. Many people make this mistake and thus end up having up frustration like yours.

God taught me, to be a bigger person, to have a bigger heart when it comes to ministering people in Church,

because his power and grace is there for me to help others.

That way, you'll have God's peace and power in all that you do in Church and Society.

This principal applies to anyone.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: May 30 2014, 01:31 PM

any events coming?? anyone going for planetshaker workshop this year?

When ar?

The concept of Church was taught by Jesus Himself and re-iterated by Paul on why 'Not forsaking the fellowship' is important. Christians are not solo creatures but are a group of people. For example, in a warfare, nobody goes out alone to fight an army, what more us!? We are in a spiritual warfare! Our adversary is constantly seeking to devour those who falter.

Churches are not perfect, we all know that. But it's God will for us to grow together in that institute. Christ Himself said that 'He will build His church and the gates of Hades will not prevail'. We are to grow in a church, like how a child is suppose to grow in a family.

So your argument is actually going against God's command, that is something that you're doing actively when your aren't attending church.

Now on which church to go to and settle in, should be based on this few criteria generally:

1. Is the truth being preached and the doctrine are sound, are they following God's teaching?

2. Is the church 'small' enough to care for it's members, and if the church is huge, are they some 'cell group' or other similar ministry that have accountability in it's core. Are they able to keep you accountable and able to care for each of the members.

3. Are the members generally 'artificial' or are they 'organic' (growing Christians).

These are some important things that you have to consider, of course there are many churches that doesn't practice this, but these church do exist and you should attend them because Christ wants Christians to grow in a church institute.

This post has been edited by Piros: May 30 2014, 01:41 PM

manickam123 is not a Christian, just fyi.

oh they moved it to next year

http://www.planetshakers.com/awakening/malaysia/

jan 22-24

Apa ini. Don't bring forum rivalries here.

well said

it depends on the person bro. Being Christian is not like you will not have mistakes right? Even pastors can commit adultery. It's about you with your God.
If you want to have true love then LOVE JESUS bro, he will not betray you.

http://www.ucg.org/science/surprising-arch...esus-existence/

http://www.bethinking.org/is-the-bible-rel...e-new-testament

http://www.allaboutarchaeology.org/evidence-for-jesus.htm

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: May 30 2014, 11:45 PM

Yeah ... I heard that even Bartman, a skeptics tending to atheist, list out 11 sources.

Due to the Atheist thread issues, mods have decided to move this thread here:

1. moved to serious kopitiam
2. unknown warrior to moderate
3. more than 5 complaints i will kolos and no question asked
4. be matured

Dear Tarval, in our thread we have never really cause problems for anyone.

If someone from the Atheist have issues, it's should be their issue alone.

I don't know why we have to move, just because they don't like it.

Actually its decided after discussing among the admins and staff. I know there isnt any problems so its good. Keep it that way.

By the way, its nothing related to Atheist thread. Its the final decision that the mod team has concluded with after discussing as the rules of kopitiam is that no religion related threads are suppose to be allowed.

Ah, must have misunderstood what you posted when you say

Due to the Atheist thread issues.

I thought they're having issues with us.

k, no problem.

so ? the thread moves to serious kopitiam ?? hi unknown warrior !

prefer to be in kopitiam though,

yo.

No problem. Its just to be fair to everyone since kopitiam are full of trolls/racist flame baiters... Serious /k will definitely be a better discussion and sharing place.

Hebrews 8:5 - They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: "See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain."


The Old Testament is a pre-revelation leading to the revealing of our Messiah Christ Jesus. All it's history, good and bad.

The verse above mention this key word, copy and shadow of what is in heaven, meaning it was only a temporal way to God, not the real thing.

That is why there is problem in reaching to God using the OT way which is self effort akin to self righteousness, resulting in death.

is funny how my mind work...i see copy and shadow and i think windows server shadow copy service...lol

however, isn't this a bit like interpretation and fitting the shadow of history to the present subject? like Nostradamus' writing..which is even more cryptic allowing for even wider interpretations..to map on to current events..?