That's not spiritually matured at all.

this is correct but this does not make me a christian if im actively being in church ... coz human tends to fall short for the glory of the lord.. consider it a test of time/salvation of us... some pick themselves up, some just spiral downhill and go out of control..hence the bulldozing fiasco...

i know you are kinda against this people... but i cant blame... u got all in your right to bad mouthing those people... just plain sad that they still hold the "Christian-title" as their meat shield.

very simple to know if its not from the bible, then is definitely man fabrication...

common sense la... where got teaching go against one principle....

u cannot weight a people being spiritually by just observing them sing song and sunday teaching man.. their personal life plays a part as well...

u know people nowofdays alot of two faces... outside different kind inside different kind... its very norm.. but only god knows our true intentions..

Spiritual maturity has to do with the fruits of the Holy Spirit.

While Singing worship Songs and Teachings are skills and gifts imparted.

it means he is not happy with his life while not willing to give all his money to charity. I prefer rich guy who drive old cars,live in same house for 35yrs, eat mcdonald, and giving 50% money to charity. He is Warren Buffett but he is not perfect too since he is still human. Please don't trust everybody's talk, my pastor said to believe person just from what he does not what he talked.

Like I said, that's an example of no spiritual maturity.

You had one hell of a day, and kudos to u, u did very well.

Hosea 13:6..

usually people become rich then forgot Jesus.

I need prayer.

Thanks for encouragement.

This shows that you like the other person is hurt as well.

The reason why Jesus teaches us not to judge is to solve this problem.

In our Faith, we look to God for change in society, people and environment.

Our rest is in God, therefore we also learn to impart grace to others.

This cycle can only be solved when we come to God in prayer.

Why bother to go to school then? You can also easily get tools to learn by your own right, no need teachers to teach you.

Right? Same concept.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: May 30 2014, 11:15 AM

I am the one witness going to church I have better personal development. It's same like you work at home and you work at office. Which one will bring you motivation and discipline? Honestly, this year I go to church and seek Jesus, worship him, to get the information I do not know from pastor and got motivation from there to meet other people cherish each other are very wonderful and nice experience. It's same watch movie in cinema and at home, watch at cinema will give wonderful exp.

Many things brother.

But I think the greatest value are these 2 verse, some of my favorites.

Isaiah 66:2 - Has not my hand made all these things, and so they came into being?" declares the LORD. "These are the ones I look on with favor: those who are humble and contrite in spirit, and who tremble at my word.

Mark 9:35 - Sitting down, Jesus called the Twelve and said, "Anyone who wants to be first must be the very last, and the servant of all."


Mark 10:

42 Jesus called them together and said, “You know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them.
43 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant,
44 and whoever wants to be first must be slave of all.
45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

I think this is a misconception that the both believers and non-belivers have regarding the church, in that, it is a building. Even more or higher, the church is an assembly of Christian gathered together.

Ah something are hard to share if you are not a Christian or have never read the Bible.

In a high sense, the church is an organism of the Triune God. The church is not something outside the Triune God. Neither is the church merely a group of believers who meet together. The church is the constitution of Christ. It is not an organization; it is a constitution with Christ and of Christ.

Consider your physical body. It is not an organization, but a living constitution including many parts. When you go to a dentist, he may fix your teeth by placing a golden element in them. However, that element is not part of your constitution. No matter how pure, valuable, and beautiful it may be, it cannot be constituted into you, because it does not contain your life.

Likewise, the church is not just a group of believers in Christ who have been cleansed of defiling germs, who have been made righteous, clean, and pure, and who regularly gather together. This is not an adequate understanding of the church. The church is the constitution of Christ. It is Christ constituted into the very fiber of our being. The Christ constituted into us is the church. The church is the constitution of the resurrected Christ who embodies the reality of the Triune God.

Thus, the church is a living constitution of the Triune God who has been wrought into our humanity. Yes, we are human beings, but in our humanity we have the constitution of the Triune God, for He has been wrought, constituted, into us. Hence, we are not merely human beings; we are also the church. We are not simply a group of believers meeting together. We are those who have been immersed into the Triune God and who have Christ constituted into our being. This is the church. The church people are not merely those who have been redeemed, cleansed, purified, and adjusted. They are those who have been reconstituted with Christ, who is the very embodiment of the Triune God.

Are the disciples of God must have painful experiences? Just see how pity Paul cs to sacrifice their life for Jesus. Got the verse: Be happy for someone sacrifices their life for the sake of Christ, because they will have place in Christ. Many CHristians I saw left Jesus just because they have saad experience with Jesus. It's not all serve Jesus will be lucky forever and have rich material etc. i just don't like in church only talked about blessings in material wealth rather than the personal development between us, Jesus, and the society.

And if you want to be rich then you must be poor first? If you want to get what you want then you must give all you first? talk is easy, to do it is very challenging.

Of course, we don't deny that majority do not meet up the standard. That is beside the point.

Anyway, I was just responding to your question on the church


Cheers!

This post has been edited by pehkay: May 30 2014, 11:45 AM

This is a sensitive subject even for the Christian community.
There are valid trials of life, sufferings and troubles that all Christians will go through as mentioned by scripture.
But We need to understand, under the New Covenant, to correctly divide God's revelation, What comes from God and which come from Satan.

It would be contradiction to say that Jesus came (John 10:10) to give us life and life more abundantly and yet at the same time say God has stricken someone with Sickness or Poverty to teach.
To agree with that is equal to denying What Christ did at the cross. Christ Death at the cross is not only about Eternal life and also Abundant Life here while on Earth.

In the Old Testament, yes God proclaim Judgement on sinners and they bore the punishment, through death, sickness and even curses, that is why you see some difficult words like Good and Evil coming from God. It is true in the old, because there was no proper redemption for the people, only temporal forgiveness through animal sacrifices.

I cannot say there's a hard and fast rule that certain Christian must die for Christ or must suffer in poverty. But I am quite certain that every Christian has the right for a change in life through prayer, simply because God has provided the way out of life challenged and predicaments and He has given us his promises. If you talk about financial lack, God promises providence In Phillipians 4:19. if you say sickness, God Promises healing, whose by his stripes you were healed. (1 Peter 2:24), if you say Curse, God provided redemption from curses (Galatians 3:13).

Many promises for all situations.

3 Reasons.

1. To Worship God
2. To serve God.
3. To fellowship

The greatest of all, in my Intention is to seek God. Like what Pehkay have explain, The Church is God's constitution where we the members are called to gathered to worship, to feed on God's word, to learn, to grow and to commune.

You can't do this as individuals at home, that is why Church are instituted.

To me Church politic is not a deterrent, because I already know nobody is perfect in this world.


This post has been edited by unknown warrior: May 30 2014, 12:14 PM

my church is disciples church so have each level from 1-4. We have goals to make all people in this church can be become disciples of God. in level 1 is about the foundation, level 1 consists of 4 foundation. currently I am at level 0. so sad

I think you are someone watch movie through laptop than cinema. To go church the feel is just different bro. All can be blessings each other through the pray. If you are at home, it's different. You just said wasting petrol, how about someone gives 10% of his/her income to God?

To marry someone with different religion, just selfish for me. Because with same religion also have problem, how about with different religion? How about the children? God have plan for your friend become single. Better become single than married someone pay dowry then divorce gave 50% of your networth right?