Don't be like that sylar111.

De_Luffy is just trying to reach out to you.
Whether you think he is right or wrong, you should leave that aside.
The point is ppl care enough to want to communicate with you.

How do you think Jesus feels when you react like that?
I mean regardless we are all brothers and sisters in Christ.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 11 2014, 09:48 PM

You sure are very determined to do business.

Always wanted to ask you, why you don't want to go for employment?

btw anyone following International Christian Embassy Jerusalem? they are having live Feast of Tablenacles celebration live coverage in En Gedi, Israel right now .

Let join them in prayer for another successful celebration this year

http://feast.icej.org/live

This post has been edited by De_Luffy: Oct 11 2014, 01:06 PM

Yes, We really need to pray for Israel, for their sake and ours.

Amen for that...........yes we really do need that

There is Rev. Prince Guneratnam, malaysian calvary church pastor as speaker.

Hi all, hope ya'll had a great day.
I consider myself an atheist because although my official papers state that I have a religion, but deep inside I know I don't believe in any.

Anyway, that's not the point. I'm actually curious about why and how Christians believe in God (I am seriously not trying to insult/condemn/make fun). Like, for me I need proof to believe in something. If God created the universe, where's the proof? Why hasn't God gave us the answer and if God loves us so much, why did He give us AIDS and Ebola and natural disasters?

I'm not looking for solid proof but I'm here just to find enlightenment.
Hope you all can help. Thanks, and oh please quote and reply because I dont lurk here a lot a notification and I'll be here.

Thanks!

Disease and disasters are the result of a fallen world. God didn't invent those to spite humanity.

The Universe is the answer and the proof and so are you as a person.

God didn't create AIDS or EBOLA.

Yes God is the creator but He is the creator of all good things not of evil.

The Bible is another proof.

The things of God is simple to understand.

We are the ones who likes to complicate things, that's why many don't believe because they're there's this thirst, en emptiness, call it a drive if you will;
to look for fulfilment in created things rather than the creator. That's why you'll never find him. God is not in his creation. He stands alone, outside of time and dimension of space, eternal.

Thanks for being honest. I know that your are genuine.

To answer question about proof... to be honest there are always argumentation here and there... but Christianity "selling point", allow me to use a modest language, is Jesus Christ as a GOD that wants to have relationship with human. He wants human to call him "Abba", means father.

but fabianz03 need proof, not relationship. wait... have you ever think like this :
fabianz03 throw the ball up
if the ball stay up and never went down, then fabianz03 will believe that Jesus is GOD,
if the ball goes up and down due to gravity, then fabianz03 stay atheist. wanna try ?

i guaranteed, the ball will go down and fabianz03 stay atheist, and my faith still declares Jesus is GOD. problem not solved.

The problem is mindset. Modestly speaking: faith has size (or you can say: cost), and in bible it mentions measurement of faith. Therefore, allow me to bargain something more affordable to prove our faith to Jesus.

e.g. Do you have health problem ? such as gasteric, high blood pressure, cancer, tumor ? have you tried all the best doctor you can afford ? still no result ? consider our prayer service. our eyes and ears have seen GOD heals supernaturally. Therefore praying for your health is much easier throw the ball things earlier.

e.g. Do you have relationship problem ? kids rebellion, wife / husband cannot reconcile, home feel like hell, why other woman / other man seems a better person ? cheated by loved ones ? our eyes and ears have seen GOD resolves supernaturally. Therefore praying for your problem is much easier throw the ball things earlier.

e.g. Do you have financial issues ? business upside down, unemployed, vendor cannot pay, account receivable stay receivable for 5 years ? have you try your best and gave up ? our eyes and ears have seen GOD resolves supernaturally. Therefore praying for your problem is much easier throw the ball things earlier.

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to conclude, if you ask throw ball things then difficult lah... nobody has enough faith up to that advanced.

but we can pray for your problems. Share with us your most difficult problems, limited to health, relationship or financial only. Those problems are the ones many Christians have faith. We can pray effectively. At the end you will see Christian prayer works, therefore your global paradigm should change.

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God gives us the free will to do what is right and what is wrong because of love. Otherwise, we will become like 'robot'. We human tend to choose what is wrong/evil and as a result of that, it brings consequence to other people. Example, war, diseases, suffering, poverty and etc.

thank u jesus for helping me win a contest

Not necessary. In our daily life, notice that most of our decisions are not free. Even our thinking. It's not free. It's heavily influence by many things. Like what our teacher teaches us, what other people will think of us, our emotions, our "softness", environment factors, etc. Our decisions are not really free.

Man is sinful. So basically, by themselves, they will never choose God. It's only when God enables this person that this person will be able to seek God.

Since you understand that humans tend to choose evil, why do you think human will choose God out of free will?

This post has been edited by sylar111: Oct 13 2014, 06:12 AM

The Experience of Jacob

Esau

Esau was a careless person. Regarding the birthright, he seemed to say, "Jacob, do you want the birthright? It doesn't mean very much to me. If you give me something to eat, I'll give it to you." By this we see that Esau was rude and careless. The simple father, the ingenious mother, and the rude and careless brother caused Jacob to suffer and to be dealt with.

Esau despised and sold the birthright (25:30-34). The birthright, which God intends to give to His chosen people, includes three things: expressing God, representing God, and participating in the kingdom of God. We all have been chosen to express God in His image, represent Him with His dominion, and participate in His kingdom. The practical kingdom of God today is in the church life. By our second birth we all have obtained the birthright that we might express God in His image, represent Him in His dominion, and participate in His kingdom, both in the church today and in the kingdom in the future. Every regenerated person has this birthright. (We are the church of the Firstborn)

Due to his love of physical enjoyments, that is, his love for the world and the worldly enjoyments, Esau despised his birthright (Heb. 12:16-17). The seller of the birthright should not blame the buyer. Although Jacob was subtle in buying it, Esau was willing to sell it. The deal could not have been consummated by one party alone. Like Esau, many regenerated Christians have despised their birthright, loving the worldly enjoyments and not caring for the preciousness of God's birthright. Most of today's Christians are like this. They do not care to express God, to represent Him, nor to be in God's kingdom in the church life. Thus, when the kingdom comes, they will have no share in it. In their life today they have sold their birthright. Due to the enjoyment of the physical things, they have neglected and despised their birthright. If they cared for God's expression, representation, and kingdom, they would stay in the proper church life, which is God's kingdom today.

We should be unhappy with anything which frustrates us from expressing God or hinders us from representing Him, and we need to feel badly about anything that keeps us from the proper church life. If you are a Christian who is not practicing the expression of God and the representation of God in the practical kingdom of God today, then you are probably one who is despising your birthright. How we need to be careful. None of us should despise our birthright, giving it up for a little enjoyment of the physical things. Rather, we must despise all the things of today's world. Nothing is as precious as our birthright. Nothing is more valuable than expressing God, representing God, and participating in the kingdom of God. If we remain in the church life enjoying our birthright, we shall share in the coming kingdom where we shall express God and represent Him for His purpose. This is our birthright. May we all be today's Jacobs, not today's Esaus. We should praise the Lord for His selection and thank Him for His transformation. Yet, we must be warned to honor and respect our birthright.

This post has been edited by pehkay: Oct 13 2014, 08:41 AM

Then you believe that

Healing is God will heal all believers. To be more qualitative on this: physical healing. Is that right?

i dont think John MacA is not sure. He is dependant on God's sovereign will, that He may choose not to heal.

i believe that Jesus prayed for believers because He has already seen the heart of men to cause divisions. That is sure.
However Truth will unite and divide.

The universe IS the proof of His existence.

Science has conditioned us to think otherwise. Yet they cant tell you how the 1st joule of energy to cause the Big bang came from.


"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"

amen too !! thank you very very much !! appreciate it De1929. i am not uncle i am 23 yo hahaha

Bible Devotions with UW

Work it out!



Today I'm here to put to rest of the abuse and misquote that many have preached using this verse saying you need to work out your Salvation.
Making it sound as if Salvation depends on your work.

If you read in context, many will usually "forget" to quote the next line which is:

For it is God who is at work in you. What does this mean?

It simply means that If God has not given you Salvation, you have nothing to work with.
But if He has given you Salvation (which is) then you are secured and you have something to work with.
But what is this work that God's word is talking about and it says there very clearly "for it is God who is at work"

What is the work of God?

In the Hermeneutics of bible interpretation, Bible must interpret Bible.

John 6:29 (NIV) - Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

So never let anyone preach obscure bible verse to cause you to doubt, making it sounds like it contradicts what God has promised to you Secured Eternal Life.

But UW what about the fear and trembling? Doesn't that seem to give the idea to be in fear that you'll lose your Salvation?

My Answer is this. Fear and Trembling is not always in negative connotation. It can be in good connotation. I will give you 3 Bible incidents.

Jeremiah 33:9 (NIV) - Then this city will bring me renown, joy, praise and honor before all nations on earth that hear of all the good things I do for it; and they will be in awe and will tremble at the abundant prosperity and peace I provide for it.'

Some of the translation (KJV), used the word Fear instead of awe.

In 1 Corinthians 2:3; The Apostle Paul says: I came to you in weakness with great fear and trembling.
And What happened next? In verse 4 it says: and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,…
Fear and trembling because God is so good, the anointing of God caused Paul to be bold and courageous. Because if the context is really fearful in trembling, Paul would have stumbled and faltered, sweating in his speech...think about it.

One more verse

Luke 8:47 - Then the woman, seeing that she could not go unnoticed, came trembling and fell at his feet. In the presence of all the people, she told why she had touched him and how she had been instantly healed.

This woman was healed of her 12 years bleeding. If she's not awed by the power of God that actually works despite all her years of hoping in the physicians of her days. What else she has to tremble, knowing that She dared herself to be in public, in those days it's against the Law of God to be in public when you are unclean, that is breaking Leviticus Law. No, the fact that she dared herself shows that she couldn't care less about the law, it is the power of God, his goodness, his willingness to heal her that caused her trembled! Her Eyes must have open wide with surprise and was glad!

No Dear friends!

God has given you Salvation that no one can remove you out of it. It is God himself who secures its and guarantees it! It's such a powerful truth that our Lord is INDEED truly GOOD, that I'm in fear and trembles at his goodness!

God Bless.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 13 2014, 12:15 PM

Vain Repetition just means that repeating a single phrase many times. In Pehkey's case, it would be repeting Oh Jesus many times unless he begs to differ. I mean I do not know how you can even get the idea that it means babbling incoherently when vain repetition means useless repetition literally.

Calling upon the Name of Lord Jesus is different from mindless repetition of Oh Jesus in Pehkey's case unless he begs to differ.

Even though the entire chapter was talking about sexual immorality, that verse was specifically saying that when one is in an unacceptable state, do not let him stay anylonger as this person will contaminate the church. As for Pehkey, since his fundamentals are very unquestionable, then it is applicable. The point is that would you even listen to someone whose fundamentals are questionable even though he may get some of the points right.

Nope. It's talking about people who seems to have the appearance of serving the lord. I really do not know your obsession with law versus grace.

If Pehkey cannot answer the hard questions, he is not fit to be a bible teacher.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Oct 13 2014, 02:42 PM