Brother, Fruit of the Holy Spirit, not talking about the conviction of the Holy Spirit, A tug in the heart is conviction, like being lead in life by the Holy Spirit. what you're doing is wrong. I'm talking about the power here.

Like refraining from lust or pornography, do you know self control is a Fruit of the HS? Love and Peace and all that.

Some ppl muster effort, like trying to conjure Faith, errmmmm how do I put this without sounding rude? Like Pangsai...you know. lol.

I tell you what is in line with scripture.

It comes effortless without you even realizing it. That is of God.
If you're conscious all the time about what you do, that is of yourself.

Yes Any Christian have the freewil to sin but what expedite it? I mean what will cause Christians sin all the time?

I'll you the answer. The Law of God.

When you know you are completely forgiven of your sins past present and future (Isaiah 43:25, Hebrews 8:12)

The power of sin or the bondage of sin, loses it's hold over you. There is no more compelling lust for it. (Romans 6:14)

The Bible says it is the goodness of God that leads us to repentance. (Romans 2:4 KJV). The word lead there is the leading of the HS.

What is the goodness of God? His Once and for all Sacrifice of sin for your life. That is his Grace. (Hebrews 10:10, Romans 6:10 )


Jesus only died ONE time for your sin. He's not going to die many times over every time you sin.

His one time sacrifice is complete forgiveness and cleansing.

Take your time and read all the scripture verses I highlighted for you attached. Ask the HS if that is true.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 13 2014, 11:44 PM

i see.......

sometimes hor, temptation can come on very strongly. then, sometimes it just goes away automatically. at other times, frens can b a bad influence & b a form of temptation too.

yeah ( blue highlight ), sometimes its the conscience. at other times, u knw its too strong a pull to be called conscience. its more of a deep-set conviction tat can only come frm the H.S.

u by any chance have any experience wif or as a Christian counsellor? i've overheard some really hardcore cases tat they're dealing wif & i go
but mostly, to preserve anonymity, counsellors only counsel members frm other churches & vice versa.

Just wondering do you guys have a 'small group' (ie 3-4 person - same grp of ppl) meet up together on regular basis (ie once or twice a week) say to encourage, spur one another, to share our struggles, to share good news?

Some people can be deeply convicted and they still go ahead and end up sinning.

Especially when they're alone. When no one is watching them, they watch Pornography.

I've been there la brother. Until I discover God's Grace, that really change my whole life.

Now can say I am really free, by his grace. The desire just left. And It's not though Law Keeping.


How is this possible?

Ha. As I've explained in all my devotions.

wat for??!! isn't it better to remain anonymous on the interweb & discuss in this manner?

irl i might get angry & punch ThePope in the face then how??!

Ha? I though this thread is the small group already?

OSAS - Once Saved Always Saved

Legally, is always OSAS. You will always be saved, legally. Why ? Cuz you already declare with your mouth and receive Christ as saviour.

but...

Relationship-ly, you always have to maintain day-by-day.

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Conclusion: Are you talking from legal perspective or relationship perspective ? Don't confuse anymore.

Let's Work harder for Kingdom of GOD.

if i can use OSAS as a verb, with new definition above. Allow me to share something from my heart:

Let OSAS these lost soul, to grow them is another task. It will take time to develop people.
Let OSAS these atheist folks. How to win their brain is another task.
Don't OSAS Christian brother / sister. Give them discernment about legal and relationship perspective. Help our brother and sister to secure their identity legally, and drive their consciousness to excel in daily life.

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I can understand it la bro.

Ppl will naturally ask. If what you preach is true then

Won't ppl sin like crazy and still think they're saved?
What about the fear of God?
What about judgement?


I get a lot of this responses. The Apostle Paul also got the same questioned thrown.

Romans 6:1 - What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?

You notice or not the same pattern of questions was levelled at him through this verse.

Ppl saying to Him, so that means I can go on sinning la, so that God's grace will increase. See the pattern?


Bcos previously He mentioned this.

Romans 5:20 - The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,


Do you see the word there "the Law" or not?

Do you see it's purpose or not? It was brought in so that trespass might increase! haha.

Crazy right? but that is the truth. But there's good news. Where Sin Increase, God's grace increase even more! Hallelujah.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 13 2014, 11:54 PM

huh! now this guy understands wat i'm trying to present.

ya mang, sometimes u wish it could all b over sooner & all the pain & conflicts deep inside go away once u reach the other side of the Jordan

Just to add on top of what most Bible commenter says about Judas.

Judas never regarded Jesus as ..........a Saviour (Messiah), he only saw him as a teacher.

Meaning to say as one to follow after not as one who save Him, that is the problem.

It's also a hint why Many Christians are not transformed or repented towards God.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 14 2014, 12:16 AM

Give God's grace a chance and read carefully what I've just shared, bro.

It will bring you out faster than the Law of God ever can.

You were meant to live a life free from condemnation and it's only true when you understand his once and for all Sacrifice that's eternal.

It can never come through any other way.

Whoever still depend on God's Law even if He thinks with the help of the HS, will have a slow and tough journey ahead.

It is different. Meeting in person is more effective for a number of reasons. For example, the information of body language (the non-verbal info from ie facial expression, tone of voice and etc). Another reason is small group gotta be same group of people and to be keep 'small'. Imagine each time meet up also different set of random people, how to build trust? Without trust, it is difficult to open up the deep things in our thoughts and heart/feeling. This is because naturally we all has a layer to protect ourselves (from being hurt). But when trust develops, this layer will be slowly become thinner.

Got other reason also la like to be kept P&C. Here sure not the channel to really confess sin lo. Men's sin you know.

I think we all have our small group in Church, don't we?

This is just going to add in more schedule in the week.

I rather invite you guys for conferences or seminars.

Oh dear! i'm so sori fabianz05

we have been moving this thread so fast today tat we missed ur post.

On top of all the answers tat u were given, the nxt answer would probably reinforce it further for u......so here goes :

I KNOW WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT THAT GOD IS REAL b'cos he speaks to me in the form of the Holy Spirit

God is a spirit & the way he communicates to me is by speaking to my heart.

where as, my spirit communicates wif your spirit through our bodies. our bodies act as a medium on this plain (EARTH).

tat is y ppl always ask whtr God exist.........b'cos they can't see Him

That is why Christians pray. We are not crazy ppl talking to the wall u knw!

as for the explanation of the triune God, pls ask this guy to explain : unknown warrior

Actually I am not requesting you to form a small group to the people in this thread. I am saying that it is important that to have a small group for our spiritual growth. I feel the importance and the need of it. I have mine. In fact for years. In the past, we have one-on-one 'discipling' but that way was replaced with 'small group' practice for some reasons. But we do still remain 'one-on-one discipling' for young Christian (those just got baptized maybe until one year old as Christian). Although it could improves more, it does make a difference to me especially looking back 16 years as Christian. Just to encourage that you guys to form your own 'small group' too preferably those whom you can meet up consistently to help one another to be more and more like Christ, to love God and one another (first and second greatest commandment) and to encourage another for the mission to seek and save the lost too (the great commission).

Mr Yum cha ... It looks like only you have passion to drive for cell group in this forum.

Do you mind post again ur availability, phone no, church location or anything necessary (like the first time you introduce yourself long time ago)... Just to bring awareness to a few new readers here.

if u don't mind..

Mr Yum Cha?

My church is at PJ, seksyen 19, 5 minutes from Digital Mall there.

Church website - http://www.malaysiachurch.org/

Those who do not have church or keen to visit our community, are always welcome ya

The Experience of Jacob

The Dream at Bethel - Wandering on His Lonesome Journey

Jacob had this dream while he was wandering on his lonesome journey (28:10). Jacob had been born into a very good family. He had an excellent father, a loving mother, and an interesting brother. Before the foundation of the world, God chose and predestinated him to have the birthright. In the story of Jacob we see God's intention and man's desire. God intended that Jacob be the first, and Jacob also desired to be the first, not the second. Thus, Jacob's desire corresponded to God's intention. This indicates that if we have a desire which corresponds with God's intention, then that desire must originate with God and not with ourselves. God intends to give us the birthright, and we also desire to be the first. This desire is not wrong; it is absolutely right. However, we must learn the lesson of not exercising our natural ability and our natural strength to fulfill God's intention and to satisfy our desire. Our natural strength and ability present a problem.

By reading the book of Genesis along with the whole Bible, we see that God intended to give the birthright to Jacob and that Jacob desired to get it. However, Jacob's natural strength had to be dealt with. Therefore, God sovereignly caused him to be the second. Although God had chosen him to be the first, God caused him to be born the second that Jacob might learn that his natural man was altogether unworthy and had to be cut off. God wants to give us the birthright, but our natural man is unqualified for it. We need to be transformed. Because God knew that Jacob needed transformation, He made him number two instead of number one. Without such a sovereign arrangement, Jacob's natural man and natural strength would never have been exposed. If God had put Jacob ahead of Esau, Jacob might have thought that he was very spiritual. He would not have struggled, because he would already have been the first. But God knew what was in Jacob and He put Esau first that Jacob's natural man might be exposed. Even while he was still in his mother's womb, Jacob struggled to come out first. This was God's arrangement.

Whatever happens to us is according to God's arrangement. Do not think that you are too small to be worthy of such a sovereign arrangement. God has a purpose for us—to give us the birthright. Since our natural man is not qualified for this, God must transform us. He does not do this simply by His creating hand, but by a long process which can only be carried out through all the circumstances of life. As we have seen, God used Isaac, Rebekah, and Esau to deal with Jacob. Although these three people never held a conference to discuss how to deal with Jacob, they nevertheless worked in a good coordination for this purpose, because everything was under God's sovereign hand. God arranged for Esau to be born first. He also arranged for Esau to be physically strong but not to be skillful in exercising his mind. Although he could not exercise his mind very well, he could exercise his physical strength to defeat Jacob. Furthermore, God arranged for Jacob to have a father who only knew to eat and enjoy. Even when Isaac realized that something was wrong when Jacob came to him disguised as Esau, he only cared for his eating. This was the reason that he had become blind. While Isaac was neutral, Rebekah, who was very clever, was partial, very much favoring her beloved son Jacob. These three persons worked together to cause Jacob to leave his loving mother and his father's home and to become a lonesome wanderer.

In ancient times it was a great thing to travel from Beer-sheba to where Laban lived. It was not a small matter for Jacob to leave his mother, father, and the environment in which he had been raised and to take such a long journey. Having become a lonesome wanderer, he must have suffered a great deal on this journey.

If you consider your past with the proper understanding, you will realize that your experience was exactly the same as Jacob's. Not many of us were saved when we were in a good home under our loving mother's care. Most of us were saved when we were lonesome and had been forced to suffer. Some had lost their mother, father, fiancée, wife, husband, or children and had become lonesome. In principle, at the time many of us were saved, we were suffering and lonesome. During the years in which we were under the care of our loving mother, the heavenly dream did not come. When did the first dream from heaven come to you? We all have had such a dream. The first dream of our spiritual life was our salvation. As we shall see, every spiritual vision is a dream. In what kind of situation were you when you had your first dream? As many of us can testify, our circumstances were not at all pleasant. Some were suffering, others were lonely, and still others were in an unpleasant environment. We had been forced to suffer, to wander, and to become lonesome. When, according to our consciousness, we had lost everything on earth and we were suffering and were lonely, the first heavenly dream came to us.

He is the Triune God.

God the father.
God Jesus Christ.
God Holy Spirit.


When I address them, I address them as Dear God not Dear Gods.

They are One God but Trinity. They are not lesser in power in comparison to each other.

Some people think the Ranking is like this.

1) God the father.
2) God Jesus Christ.
3) God Holy Spirit.

Actually No.

Actually to be honest 14-9-2015, no human being can explain this.

We Christian just accept it as it is.

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God sent to dwell in all Believers.
The Bible says, He is the guarantee deposit that guarantees us Salvation in Heaven.
The Holy Spirit is a Teacher, who will guide us into God's truth.
God The father Speaks/communicate to us through his Spirit, The Holy Spirit.

That is why Christianity is relationship with God, it's not a religion.

To me religion is just repetitive rituals void of personal relationship with God.

Hope that helps.