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post Oct 10 2014, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 10 2014, 10:06 AM)
I see nothing wrong with shouting the name of Jesus multiple times,
Does God forbid anyone from calling on our Lord Jesus? Whether the tone is loud or soft or how many times, to me that is immaterial.

There are testimonies of people calling out his name loud, and was saved from trouble. There's this family where the car veered off from the main road and was plunging down, do you
think the people in there have the time to recite the prayer "Oh lord of Heaven and of Earth, hallowth be thy name......" No. They screamed the name of Jesus and was miraculously saved by God's angels. The Car descended but landed and the passenger life was spared.

Not everything about Nee is wrong. If you feel uncomfortable with what you think is wrong then just ignore that part. You cannot say Nee is not a Christian. He was persecuted on his life for spreading the gospel for the Lord's kingdom.

I think The reason why he's not replying to you is because you're being very hard on him. Just go easy and talk casually like how I did. 
Sure, no problem.
Yes I believe God is more than willing to Heal. Yes God is sovereign but God is also my Abba. My Heavenly Father who loves me as the apple of his eye.

Such is my Faith, towards the Lord. And I believe in his word;

2 Corinthians 1:20 - For no matter how many promises God has made, they are "Yes" in Christ. And so through him the "Amen" is spoken by us to the glory of God.

Yes God can use medicine and Science to heal us and he can also Heal on the spot or slowly. That is me seeing Him being sovereign. To me whether He heals on the spot or not is immaterial.

What I strongly believe is that He still Heals today. That is my Faith and my position in the Lord. 


Seems that is very similar to what John MacA wrote.

So methinks you have misunderstood him. biggrin.gif

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Don't get me wrong, yes we need theologians and teacher but my point is, don't get too hook up on any of them. Don't come to the point of arguing saying, This guys is Right and that guy is wrong. (1 Corinthians 1:12 ) That is causing division. HOW Do you know if He's right or wrong unless you yourself read the Bible. That is my urge to the Christians here as well. Read the Bible in totality so that you know and nobody can pull your leg.

I have Faith more in the Holy Spirit that he will guide God's people into the truth according to scripture more than If I can say to have faith in certain theologians.
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Thats good.

God has given us theologians and teachers. We should appreciate those who have dedicated their lives to enrich ours with understanding of God's word.

However, i do agree with you that there are those who just theologians as academics, who are not even believers. Those, we have to beware of.
But John MacA is not one of them.

Next, totally agree that we ourselves have to be armed with the word of God. Else we will be swallowed up by the stalking lion, the devil.

On division. It will happen.
Let's not worship division for unity sake.
Because thats not what Jesus teaches.
The Truth will divide people. We have to understand that.

In Matthew's gospel Jesus said "I did not come to bring peace, but a sword" (Matthew 10:34). it as a reference to the fact that the word of God is sharper than any double-edged sword"; it "penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart" (Hebrews 4:12). God's truth is a sword which divides truth from falsity, right from wrong, good from evil, and much else. It confronts us and requires us to make decisions. The way we make those decisions can divide us.


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post Oct 10 2014, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(likimikuku @ Oct 10 2014, 05:59 PM)
u guys are funny
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how so?
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QUOTE(likimikuku @ Oct 10 2014, 05:59 PM)
u guys are funny
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we r not funny, we r just different.

Would u like to learn more about Jesus Christ mr hulk?
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 10 2014, 10:06 AM)
I see nothing wrong with shouting the name of Jesus multiple times,
Does God forbid anyone from calling on our Lord Jesus? Whether the tone is loud or soft or how many times, to me that is immaterial.

There are testimonies of people calling out his name loud, and was saved from trouble. There's this family where the car veered off from the main road and was plunging down, do you
think the people in there have the time to recite the prayer "Oh lord of Heaven and of Earth, hallowth be thy name......" No. They screamed the name of Jesus and was miraculously saved by God's angels. The Car descended but landed and the passenger life was spared.

Not everything about Nee is wrong. If you feel uncomfortable with what you think is wrong then just ignore that part. You cannot say Nee is not a Christian. He was persecuted on his life for spreading the gospel for the Lord's kingdom.

I think The reason why he's not replying to you is because you're being very hard on him. Just go easy and talk casually like how I did. 
Sure, no problem.
Yes I believe God is more than willing to Heal. Yes God is sovereign but God is also my Abba. My Heavenly Father who loves me as the apple of his eye.

Such is my Faith, towards the Lord. And I believe in his word;

2 Corinthians 1:20 - For no matter how many promises God has made, they are "Yes" in Christ. And so through him the "Amen" is spoken by us to the glory of God.

Yes God can use medicine and Science to heal us and he can also Heal on the spot or slowly. That is me seeing Him being sovereign. To me whether He heals on the spot or not is immaterial.

What I strongly believe is that He still Heals today. That is my Faith and my position in the Lord.

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Don't get me wrong, yes we need theologians and teacher but my point is, don't get too hook up on any of them. Don't come to the point of arguing saying, This guys is Right and that guy is wrong. (1 Corinthians 1:12 ) That is causing division. HOW Do you know if He's right or wrong unless you yourself read the Bible. That is my urge to the Christians here as well. Read the Bible in totality so that you know and nobody can pull your leg.

I have Faith more in the Holy Spirit that he will guide God's people into the truth according to scripture more than If I can say to have faith in certain theologians.
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Matthew 6:7
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

1 Corinthians 5
6 Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.[c] 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

I will let you think through those verses.

My concern is not on whether pehkey replies to me or not. It is when he only replies when it is "convenient". Again I repeat. If he was confident, he will not need to resort to those tactics.


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post Oct 10 2014, 06:50 PM

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Back to miraculous gift - ie healing (lay hands), speak in tongue, cast demon-possessed people.

1. Only apostles. Reference: Acts 2:43; 3: 1-10; 5:12.
2. The people whom the apostles laid hands on. Example Philip (Acts 6:1-6).

But today these groups of people are gone.

About spiritual gift in relation to speaking in tongue, I share next time la ya. Gotta go liao.


About God's will, i learned that there are 3 ways to identify
1. From God's word. Although there are some verses which are more deep to understand or interpret but we can focus on those which are direct and simple.
2. From the spiritually mature Christians. Meaning to seek advice from them (not just one). The might not be necessarily in the church leadership but spiritually mature (ie those whom you respected because of the consistent life example shown by every area)
3. By prayer. Sometimes God has a unique way to show it maybe thru people, situation.

For whether or not God will answer our prayer, the answer will be these 3 options:
1. Yes.
2. No.
3. Yes but not now.

God has the reason for option 2 and 3. When God says "No", this does not mean that he does not love us. It could be a trial and testing to build our character. Just like Paul prayed for his thorn to be removed but God didn't.

2 Co 12: 7 - I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.

Another one is Job's story from the book of Job.
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post Oct 10 2014, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Oct 10 2014, 06:45 PM)
Matthew 6:7
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

1 Corinthians 5
6 Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.[c] 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

I will let you think through those verses.

My concern is not on whether pehkey replies to me or not. It is when he only replies when it is "convenient". Again I repeat. If he was confident, he will not need to resort to those tactics.
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We don't do repetition to highlight to Christ our prayer points. We just don't do any kind of repetition to stress out our prayer points.

But

We do repetition to tell our mind. like Proverb 18:21 The tongue has the power of life and death, and those who love it will eat its fruit.
Live up and down and we have to tell our mind, audibly, by telling Jesus I love you many times (or my style: bragging about GOD's goodness) ... including all kind of declarations.

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same repetition, different mindset




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QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Oct 10 2014, 06:37 PM)
we r not funny, we r just different.

Would u like to learn more about Jesus Christ mr hulk?
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what if i dun want to??
what if i hate god and i think he is nothing but a lie..

will you hate me??
would u tell me to STFU and go die?

what if i murder ur son and i ask for God for forgiveness
will he forgive me?? will he treat me like his son if i insaf??
will u forgive me if i murder ur son?
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post Oct 10 2014, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Oct 10 2014, 06:45 PM)
Matthew 6:7
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

1 Corinthians 5
6 Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.[c] 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

I will let you think through those verses.

My concern is not on whether pehkey replies to me or not. It is when he only replies when it is "convenient". Again I repeat. If he was confident, he will not need to resort to those tactics.
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Does it matter to you either we shout Jesus name over and over? as long we are are worshiping the Trinity God, why so skeptical about this small matter?

does shouting Jesus name over and over again make you anti Christ or non christian?

even in hymns we have Jesus name being sung over and over again, so it was disallowed? even Catholics priest or so called exorcist priest, when they drive out demons from a possessed body doesn't they shout Jesus name over and over again?
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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Oct 10 2014, 06:50 PM)
Back to miraculous gift - ie healing (lay hands), speak in tongue, cast demon-possessed people.

1. Only apostles. Reference: Acts 2:43; 3: 1-10; 5:12.
2. The people whom the apostles laid hands on. Example Philip (Acts 6:1-6).

But today these groups of people are gone.

About spiritual gift in relation to speaking in tongue, I share next time la ya. Gotta go liao.
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Hey ngaisteve1 ...

Assuming we are only talking about genuine outward miracles of the Spirit.

I won't put too much on 1) and 2). There are some records from the church fathers who do mentioned of saints practising these gifts. Also, if you are in Los Angeles of the United States (1909) where, a number of black believers on Azusa Street experienced the baptism of the Holy Spirit, you might beg to differ. It recovered the Pentecostal experience and ushered in modern Pentacostalism, Charismatic movements. There are also many testimonies.

But, something for you to consider: XD

1) When you read the book of Acts, consider the beginning, through the end .... what was the difference? biggrin.gif

2) Paul's experience in Philippines, 2 Cor (of which one verse you quoted) and his advice with Timothy.

Happy pursuing!

This post has been edited by pehkay: Oct 10 2014, 10:11 PM
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QUOTE(pehkay @ Oct 10 2014, 09:26 PM)
Hey ngaisteve1 ...

Assuming we are only talking about genuine outward miracles of the Spirit.

I won't put too much on 1) and 2). There are some records from the church fathers who do mentioned of saints practising these gifts. Also, if you are in Los Angeles of the United States (1909) where, a number of black believers on Azusa Street experienced the baptism of the Holy Spirit, you might beg to differ. It recovered the Pentecostal experience and ushered in modern Pentacostalism, Charismatic movements. There are also many testimonies.

But, something for you to consider: XD

1) When you read the book of Acts, consider the beginning, through the end .... what was the difference? biggrin.gif

2) Paul's experience in Philippines, 2 Cor (of which one verse you quoted) and his advice with Timothy.

Happy pursuing!
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I would prefer to focus on what the bible says. I don't think I should comment on what other church is going.

maybe you can tell me your point for your no 1 and 2. I'm ok with direct point
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post Oct 10 2014, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Oct 10 2014, 07:59 PM)
Does it matter to you either we shout Jesus name over and over? as long we are are worshiping the Trinity God, why so skeptical about this small matter?

does shouting Jesus name over and over again make you anti Christ or non christian?

even in hymns we have Jesus name being sung over and over again, so it was disallowed? even Catholics priest or so called exorcist priest, when they drive out demons from a possessed body doesn't they shout Jesus name over and over again?
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People like you are just not worth my time.
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Oct 10 2014, 11:27 PM)
People like you are just not worth my time.
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really? you go around preaching your doctrine expecting everyone to follow your doctrine? i wonder if you are walking the talk or not........

to be fact you are the one that is not worth everyone time............

anyone Christianity views not in line with your Christianity views, you goes off attacking them.......

there are times you need to learn to respect other people religious view not to expect them to follow your religious view, everyone got their own eyes and mind to read and accept which view is right or wrong, if it wrong they will tell the person about his views and so far we have no complain about it only you............why don't you share your religious view as well so we can understand

This post has been edited by De_Luffy: Oct 11 2014, 12:01 AM
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Oct 10 2014, 11:57 PM)
really? you go around preaching your doctrine expecting everyone to follow your doctrine? i wonder if you are walking the talk or not........

to be fact you are the one that is not worth everyone time............

anyone Christianity views not in line with your Christianity views, you goes off attacking them.......

there are times you need to learn to respect other people religious view not to expect them to follow your religious view, everyone got their own eyes and mind to read and accept which view is right or wrong, if it wrong they will tell the person about his views and so far we have no complain about it only you............why don't you share your religious view as well so we can understand
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haha. Wonder what "christian" views you even have.

My guess is even. None.
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already got my tuition center name ... call A+ Tuition center (Aplus). thanks for the help anyway and please pray for me >.< hope funds are enough to cover all expenses
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already got my tuition center name ... call A+ Tuition center (Aplus). thanks for the help anyway and please pray for me >.< hope funds are enough to cover all expenses
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uncle Caleb, this is a simple declaration n pray for A+ Tuition center. Hopefully goes inline with your value and ur church leaders smile.gif

Thank GOD for this Aplus tuition center. This place is Eden. A blessed place. Crops gets water not from rain, but earth streams water to feed the crops.
The blessing is indeed comes from inside A+ tuition center. A blessing for the students, malaysian next generation leaders.
I speak all blessings that i know. Prosperity, clarity, wisdom, thoughtful, health, happines, peace (and... please added as many as u want)... and let it stay permanently according to GOD's grace upon us.

Hallelujah, In Jesus Name we prayed: Amen.

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 10 2014, 11:56 AM)
Seems that is very similar to what John MacA wrote.

So methinks you have misunderstood him.    biggrin.gif
Thats good.

God has given us theologians and teachers. We should appreciate those who have dedicated their lives to enrich ours with understanding of God's word.

However, i do agree with you that there are those who just theologians as academics, who are not even believers. Those, we have to beware of.
But John MacA is not one of them.

Next, totally agree that we ourselves have to be armed with the word of God. Else we will be swallowed up by the stalking lion, the devil.

On division. It will happen.
Let's not worship division for unity sake.
Because thats not what Jesus teaches.
The Truth will divide people. We have to understand that.

In Matthew's gospel Jesus said "I did not come to bring peace, but a sword" (Matthew 10:34). it as a reference to the fact that the word of God is sharper than any double-edged sword"; it "penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart" (Hebrews 4:12). God's truth is a sword which divides truth from falsity, right from wrong, good from evil, and much else. It confronts us and requires us to make decisions. The way we make those decisions can divide us.
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Actually I differ in this, He's not too sure whether God is willing to heal upon his children prayer. I believe God is willing.

No, not division among believers if that is what you're inclining because Jesus did pray for unity among believers showing that as evidence of his will.

Matthew 10:34 is much applied for between Believer and Non Believers. That is the sword.


QUOTE(likimikuku @ Oct 10 2014, 05:59 PM)
u guys are funny
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You live in a world where you are inclined to hate, you need to fight for your life, you are worried about many thing, etc without knowing really why. Don't you think that's funnier?
Life shouldn't be that bad.

QUOTE(sylar111 @ Oct 10 2014, 06:45 PM)
Matthew 6:7
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

1 Corinthians 5
6 Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.[c] 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

I will let you think through those verses.

My concern is not on whether pehkey replies to me or not. It is when he only replies when it is "convenient". Again I repeat. If he was confident, he will not need to resort to those tactics.
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Vain repetitions means babbling incoherently about your prayers. And the context of this main point is showing off your prayer in public.
It did not say, you cannot call on the Name of our Lord Jesus any number of time.

1 Corinthians 5 is talking about sexual immorality. I don't see the relevance.

Matthew 7:22 is talking about proponent of Grace vs Law. Not related.

He does that with everyone. Don't take it personal.




QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Oct 10 2014, 06:50 PM)
Back to miraculous gift - ie healing (lay hands), speak in tongue, cast demon-possessed people.

1. Only apostles. Reference: Acts 2:43; 3: 1-10; 5:12.
2. The people whom the apostles laid hands on. Example Philip (Acts 6:1-6).

But today these groups of people are gone.

About spiritual gift in relation to speaking in tongue, I share next time la ya. Gotta go liao.
About God's will, i learned that there are 3 ways to identify
1. From God's word. Although there are some verses which are more deep to understand or interpret but we can focus on those which are direct and simple.
2. From the spiritually mature Christians. Meaning to seek advice from them (not just one). The might not be necessarily in the church leadership but spiritually mature (ie those whom you respected because of the consistent life example shown by every area)
3. By prayer. Sometimes God has a unique way to show it maybe thru people, situation.

For whether or not God will answer our prayer, the answer will be these 3 options:
1. Yes.
2. No.
3. Yes but not now.

God has the reason for option 2 and 3. When God says "No", this does not mean that he does not love us. It could be a trial and testing to build our character. Just like Paul prayed for his thorn to be removed but God didn't.

2 Co 12: 7 - I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.

Another one is Job's story from the book of Job.
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None of the verses in there says "It's only for the apostles".

QUOTE(likimikuku @ Oct 10 2014, 07:23 PM)
what if i dun want to??
what if i hate god and i think he is nothing but a lie..

will you hate me??
would u tell me to STFU and go die?

what if i murder ur son and i ask for God for forgiveness
will he forgive me?? will he treat me like his son if i insaf??
will u forgive me if i murder ur son?
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No we won't because we know Love is stronger than Hate and will change you inevitably.
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QUOTE(pehkay @ Oct 10 2014, 08:26 PM)
Hey ngaisteve1 ...

Assuming we are only talking about genuine outward miracles of the Spirit.

I won't put too much on 1) and 2). There are some records from the church fathers who do mentioned of saints practising these gifts. Also, if you are in Los Angeles of the United States (1909) where, a number of black believers on Azusa Street experienced the baptism of the Holy Spirit, you might beg to differ. It recovered the Pentecostal experience and ushered in modern Pentacostalism, Charismatic movements. There are also many testimonies.

But, something for you to consider: XD

1) When you read the book of Acts, consider the beginning, through the end .... what was the difference? biggrin.gif

2) Paul's experience in Philippines, 2 Cor (of which one verse you quoted) and his advice with Timothy.

Happy pursuing!
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Thank you, actually can be seen even today, not only in the 1900 century.

Steve, one more portion you might want to consider.

Read the whole passage of 1 Corinthians 12.

See 1 Corinthians 12:9

Then Read

2 Timothy 1:6
Hebrews 2:4

It speaks to all of us.

Why is this important?

Jesus answers it here

John 4:48

This gifts are given to us as sign to unbelievers.

If you say that it ends with the early apostles, then in essence you're saying God is not working miracles anymore today, that is not true.








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