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 4 Critical Signs of a Bubble Market V5, Are the signs already there in Malaysia?

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post Apr 4 2014, 10:27 AM, updated 12y ago

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This is a continuation from V4:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3156300

The collapse of the US housing market bubble emphasizes how important it is to figure out what property is really worth, from a fundamental perspective. Make sure you’re not over-paying!

There are 4 yardsticks of bubble markets:

•Price to Rent Ratio (or Yield)
•Relative Prices
•Affordability
•Price of new builds


VALUATION TOOL 1: THE PRICE TO RENT RATIO

The gross rental yield) is the housing parallel to the price/earnings ratio. Here is a set of rules of thumb for the housing market:

VALUATION YARDSTICKS FOR THE HOUSING MARKET

PRICE/RENT RATIO GROSS RENTAL YIELD (%)

5 20 Very undervalued
6.7 15 Very undervalued
8.3 12 Undervalued
10 10 Undervalued
12.5 8 Borderline undervalued
14.2 7 Fairly priced
16.7 6 Fairly priced
20 5 Borderline overvalued
25 4 Overvalued
33.3 3 Overvalued
40 2.5 Very overvalued
50 2 Very overvalued

But there are exceptions to this. When strong future growth in value is expected e.g in areas where transport infrastructure is being upgraded then relatively weak present earnings can be acceptable.

There are several good reasons why people should pay attention to the 'valuation parameters':

Higher rental yields push the housing market higher

If rental yield levels are high, this will tend to mean that the interest cost of buying a house is low, compared to the cost of renting a house:

•Potential buyers will pay less to borrow from the bank (in order to buy) than they pay when renting a house. Many will move from being renters to buyers.
•Entrepreneurs will find it makes sense to buy houses to make money, i.e., buy in order to rent them out.

Both these factors put upward pressure on house prices.

Lower rental yields put downward pressure house prices

If rental yield levels are low, this will tend to mean that the interest cost of buying a house is high, compared to the cost of renting a house:

•Potential buyers will find that to buy a house involves paying much more to the bank, than it costs to rent a house. Buyers, especially first-time buyers, may have difficulty financing housing. Banks will be worried about over-lending at loan-to-income ratios which mean that a slight increase in interest rates will mean financial crisis for the borrower.
•Entrepreneurs will find that buying-to-let won't pay.

The house price can be viewed as a kind of circle, with houses prices moving from yields of (say) 4% to 11%

•Yields shifting down to 4% would represent danger.
•Yields rising to 11% would signal opportunity.


VALUATION TOOL 2: RELATIVE PRICES


People tend to actively look for cheaper and better alternatives. Where houses are very highly priced, people will seek more affordable alternatives. So if you’re buying property that’s amazingly expensive on a sqaure foot basis compared to its surrounding developments – BEWARE!


VALUATION TOOL 3: AFFORDABILITY

If house prices are so high that few people can actually afford to buy them, then their value will likely fall in future. A reasonable measure of value is a country’s GDP per capita. In a country where the ratio of house prices to GDP/capita is high, it’s a fair bet that houses are overvalued.

Relative to GDP/Capita levels:
•House prices in Luxembourg, Belgium, Norway, Denmark and Austria seem cheap.
•House prices in the UK, Italy, France and the Netherlands seem comparatively expensive.


VALUATION TOOL 4: PRICE OF NEW BUILDS

If house prices are much higher than the cost of building (construction costs), developers are motivated to put up buildings. So when you see a rush by developers to build, that’s a danger sign. As new supply comes into the housing market, that tends to put pressure on prices. So when house prices are far greater than new-build costs, it's a very clear signal that prices are likely to come down.

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QUOTE(TheRoadRunner @ Apr 4 2014, 10:29 AM)
1st to check in?
Wow! That was fast! Congrats!
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Woohoo V5 aleady. ..hurray

US property market recover ? look again

http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/index.html
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post Apr 4 2014, 10:45 AM

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Ya, looks ridiculous to expect price of landed to reduced 67%. But for landed the rental yield expectation should be 2-3% to be called fairly priced (my thinking). Maybe 4-5% ? That is because of the capital appreciation potential which the table did not take in.

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Yeah, I'm also not expecting it to drop 67%.

I guess it's a factor of both of these:
1) Landed property is currently overpriced. (40%)
2) Rental for landed property is very cheap compared to condo. (27%)

I'll buy when price drops by 40%, but currently renting is just too cheap.
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Apr 4 2014, 10:35 AM)
Woohoo V5 aleady. ..hurray

US property market recover ? look again

http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/index.html
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Just step in to Q2.. v5 come already.. good.. more bubbles.. more affordable house
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 4 2014, 11:55 AM)
Just step in to Q2.. v5 come already.. good.. more bubbles.. more affordable house
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 4 2014, 11:55 AM)
Just step in to Q2.. v5 come already.. good.. more bubbles.. more affordable house
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I'm very disappointed that u follow old DDD footstep, shiok sendiri n gain nothing, then hide forever.
Faster go n buy one la...

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I'm very disappointed that u follow old DDD footstep, shiok sendiri n gain nothing, then hide forever.
Faster go n buy one la...
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Wait til 2015 , those condo or appartment with dibs complete
Then the bubble will start burst(newbie thought)
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QUOTE(Baohulu55 @ Apr 4 2014, 02:35 PM)
Wait til 2015 , those condo or appartment with dibs complete
Then the bubble will start burst(newbie thought)
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Wow...everyone said about that. I better fast fast sale all my tenanted units now.
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Apr 4 2014, 01:39 PM)
Wow...everyone said about that. I better fast fast sale all my tenanted units now.
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Some of the buyer assume they can sell the property and earn the profit without any paying
After complete , no one buy and don't have holding power
Forcing them to sell their property with lower price
So , I'm collecting bullet for the cheap condo(newbie thought also)
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QUOTE(prody @ Apr 4 2014, 10:45 AM)

Yeah, I'm also not expecting it to drop 67%.

I guess it's a factor of both of these:
1) Landed property is currently overpriced. (40%)
2) Rental for landed property is very cheap compared to condo. (27%)

I'll buy when price drops by 40%, but currently renting is just too cheap.
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If your area is new, then there may be a chance if the market really crash. If your area is established, you need more severe crash to meet your target

If the landed house is RM1m now, you are looking at RM600k price. I also want drool.gif
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The latest kidnapping case further dampened chinese buying in iskandar. Interesting how country garden will handle this mess.

Do u all know that general main land chinese r already very angry with malaysia since mh370 case ?
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wah! after V5 also bubble not yet burst.

guess it's all a dream and still a dream for those who are waiting for it to burst.
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holy shiat...V5....


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there. burst oledi.
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ok then, close thread since already burst
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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Apr 4 2014, 01:56 PM)
The latest kidnapping case further dampened chinese buying in iskandar. Interesting how country garden will handle this mess.

Do u all know that general main land chinese r already very angry with malaysia since mh370 case ?
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These correction factors will be another contribution point to DDD...

good luck for properties holders..
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seems interesting topic.... am i too late to join in?lol, but v5 ady...... but really still havent burst. probably will burst when reach v99
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 4 2014, 01:48 PM)
If your area is new, then there may be a chance if the market really crash. If your area is established, you need more severe crash to meet your target

If the landed house is RM1m now, you are looking at RM600k price. I also want  drool.gif
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If one know how and why price jumped from $600k to $1000k, will certain wait for it to fall back.

QUOTE(juicyliana @ Apr 4 2014, 01:58 PM)
wah! after V5 also bubble not yet burst.

guess it's all a dream and still a dream for those who are waiting for it to burst.
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Dream? Not at all by established economic theory.

QUOTE(CaptainCool @ Apr 4 2014, 03:51 PM)
seems interesting topic.... am i too late to join in?lol, but v5 ady...... but really still havent burst. probably will burst when reach v99
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Historically, burst always come earlier than expected.


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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 4 2014, 03:51 PM)
Historically, burst always come earlier than expected.
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but then i thought many of us are already expecting a burst since 2008 or smtg.... if you said that burst come earlier than expected, then why dont we see any burst yet?
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QUOTE(CaptainCool @ Apr 4 2014, 04:07 PM)
but then i thought many of us are already expecting a burst since 2008 or smtg.... if you said that burst come earlier than expected, then why dont we see any burst yet?
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Current bull run only started at about 2008/09. Unless local property market can defy conventional economic theory, burst is when not if.

Burst is likely when many dibs units become vp and interest rate increased, which is expected from 2016.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 4 2014, 04:31 PM)
Current bull run only started at about 2008/09. Unless local property market can defy conventional economic theory, burst is when not if.

Burst is likely when many dibs units become vp and interest rate increased, which is expected from 2016.
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hmmmm, we'll see. but i dont think there will be a burst, i believe a dip maybe......but i think quite a lot of dibs vp starting this year, maybe we will see the effect sooner than later.
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V5, V10 or V99 also doesnt show anything.....
The fact is over the years.... every year.... regardless economy good or bad.... there is always a group of ppl talking abt; prop pricey, prop at high price, prop price will hav correction, prop price will crash and etc.... tongue.gif tongue.gif
At 2008 will say 2005 price is cheap....
2011 will say 2008 price cheaper....
2014 will say 2011 price still affordable....
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Apr 4 2014, 01:39 PM)
Wow...everyone said about that. I better fast fast sale all my tenanted units now.
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 4 2014, 04:48 PM)
V5, V10 or V99 also doesnt show anything.....
The fact is over the years.... every year.... regardless economy good or bad.... there is always a group of ppl talking abt; prop pricey, prop at high price, prop price will hav correction, prop price will crash and etc....  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
At 2008 will say 2005 price is cheap....
2011 will say 2008 price cheaper....
2014 will say 2011 price still affordable....
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Ya lor every year oso increase pricey.. dis year we dun buy.. see how the market goes.. maybe memorable ..
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QUOTE(CaptainCool @ Apr 4 2014, 04:39 PM)
hmmmm, we'll see. but i dont think there will be a burst, i believe a dip maybe......but i think quite a lot of dibs vp starting this year, maybe we will see the effect sooner than later.
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Unlike stock or commodities, property is illiquid and will take years to bottom.

QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 4 2014, 04:48 PM)
V5, V10 or V99 also doesnt show anything.....
The fact is over the years.... every year.... regardless economy good or bad.... there is always a group of ppl talking abt; prop pricey, prop at high price, prop price will hav correction, prop price will crash and etc....  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
At 2008 will say 2005 price is cheap....
2011 will say 2008 price cheaper....
2014 will say 2011 price still affordable....
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Similar was said on KLSE before 1997 crash.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 4 2014, 04:57 PM)
Unlike stock or commodities, property is illiquid and will take years to bottom.
Similar was said on KLSE before 1997 crash.
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Exactly!!
Similar was said on prop in yr 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014...... tongue.gif tongue.gif
Jus every yr hav a little new reason came out la.... whistling.gif whistling.gif

oopss.... i suppose to be in DDD camp...... Die Die Die.....
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 4 2014, 05:11 PM)
Exactly!!
Similar was said on prop in yr 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014......  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
Jus every yr hav a little new reason came out la....  whistling.gif  whistling.gif

oopss.... i suppose to be in DDD camp...... Die Die Die.....
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 4 2014, 05:11 PM)
Exactly!!
Similar was said on prop in yr 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014......  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
Jus every yr hav a little new reason came out la....  whistling.gif  whistling.gif

oopss.... i suppose to be in DDD camp...... Die Die Die.....
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Between 1997 and 2008/9, property price was relatively stable except klcc. Doubt there was any DDD until 2010/11.

In 1997, most invested in stock lost what they have made over the years and more. Believe likewise for over stretched flippers.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 4 2014, 03:51 PM)
If one know how and why price jumped from $600k to $1000k, will certain wait for it to fall back.
Dream? Not at all by established economic theory.
Historically, burst always come earlier than expected.
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it won't burst so soon. as some forumers commented that that property prices will still stay.

my personal opinion is that it will slow down or stagnant at most. i doubt it will have a meltdown.

To me, i will always make sure that i've the holding power in case it burst.

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QUOTE(zenjet @ Apr 4 2014, 05:13 PM)
No worries lar ~ wait die ~ sure tat day will come ~
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Everybody dies..... i rather die with up and downs than sitting wait to die.... tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 4 2014, 05:24 PM)
Between 1997 and 2008/9, property price was relatively stable except klcc. Doubt there was any DDD until 2010/11.

In 1997, most invested in stock lost what they have made over the years and more. Believe likewise for over stretched flippers.
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Everybody now will kno... it is "stable" the past 10 over yr.....
Question is how many ppl really kno it during those yrs?.....
My first prop in yr 2002 (240K condo), there were ppl already saying prop price is high, some say crazy, many will say wait and see first.... and etc....
Subsequence yrs...... u will hear ppl saying almost the same thing every yr.....
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 4 2014, 05:24 PM)
Between 1997 and 2008/9, property price was relatively stable except klcc. Doubt there was any DDD until 2010/11.

In 1997, most invested in stock lost what they have made over the years and more. Believe likewise for over stretched flippers.
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Save your breath.. dude cant differentiate btw tenanted property vs non tenanted units.. with price..

I have also notice that dude is also cant differentiate the working of RPGT vs stamp duty adjudication.. the former is clearly based on profit only no other inteference body to calculate for you..

Accordong to my friend

exp.. prop cost 400k developer flipped 700k.. profit is total 300k.. RPGT cuts on 300k .. of couse still can discount .. on other costs

Stamp duty is the one calculated adjudicated..

say bought from developer 400k..
selling 300k ( selling in need of money)
stamp duty is still based on prevaling market rate by LHDN.. if they feels is 500k.. they will ask you to pay stamp duty based on 500k.. NOT 400K OR PITY YOU 300K..

if a smart ass ask bought developer 400k
smart ass flippers sold 800k.. howevrr LHDN similar market rate is 500k..
screw you.. they will not rely on 500k even ttansacted b4.. they will still adjudicate stamp duty at 800k.. same unit..

Dude.. dude.. I hope to repo him..
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 4 2014, 03:51 PM)
If one know how and why price jumped from $600k to $1000k, will certain wait for it to fall back.

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Would like to know your version of "how and why" notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 4 2014, 03:51 PM)

Dream? Not at all by established economic theory.

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And what is the established economic theory you are talking about ?
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QUOTE(juicyliana @ Apr 4 2014, 01:58 PM)
wah! after V5 also bubble not yet burst.

guess it's all a dream and still a dream for those who are waiting for it to burst.
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I always think if time can goes back 3-4 years, I would have accumulate few more properties under my belt. Not to flip but just a passion to collect properties all over the place for rental income. So, if properties really crash, my dream ll get alive again...


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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 4 2014, 05:59 PM)

Dude.. dude.. I hope to repo him..
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Always a relief to see bearbear posting in LYN property section forum during office hours. And today bearbear is posting from morning till afternoon thumbup.gif

No repo is good news to me tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 4 2014, 06:06 PM)
Always a relief to see bearbear posting in LYN property section forum during office hours. And today bearbear is posting from morning till afternoon  thumbup.gif

No repo is good news to me  tongue.gif
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Bear2 is expect in repo, he can repo U while answering your posting. thumbup.gif

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http://www.businessspectator.com.au/articl...-bubble-trouble

Li Ka-shing, the richest man in Asia and one of the shrewdest property investors in the world, has been selling down real estate assets in China -- including Oriental Financial Centre, which is at the heart of Shanghai’s glitzy financial district. In 2013, he offloaded 20 billion yuan's worth of property in China.

Li, who is known as the “superman” in Hong Kong, is shifting his investment focus from mainland China and Hong Kong to Europe, and especially Britain. Some investors and property developers in China see Li’s move as a sign of his weakened confidence in the world’s second largest economy.

Wang Shi, the chairman of China’s largest property developer, Vanke, said: "The shrewd Mr Li is selling his assets in Beijing and Shanghai, and this is a sign that we must be careful".

Wang’s comment is part of a growing concern among investors about the health of the real estate sector in China, which is one of the most important growth engines and revenue sources for the government.

Nomura’s chief China economist Zhang Zhiwei believes a potential downturn in the real estate sector poses the greatest risk to the Chinese economy in 2014 and 2015. He argues that real estate sector risk is more grave than either shadow banking or the local government debt problem.

The real estate sector makes up 16 per cent of GDP, 33 per cent of fixed asset investment, 20 per cent of outstanding loans, 26 per cent of new loans and 39 per cent of government revenues in 2013. "If it slows sharply, we see obvious replacement to support growth," says Zhang in his research report.

But people have been predicting the collapse of the Chinese property sector for years. Andy Xie, a noted former Morgan Stanley chief Asia economist, has been saying that for as long as people can remember, and it has become somewhat of a running joke among economists and investors.

At a time when people are getting increasingly jittery over other looming signs of crisis in the country’s shadow banking sector and ever-expanding local government debt, the question must be asked: Is 2014 going to be different?

This year has already started off on a bad note. House prices in 70 large and medium cities have only increased 0.27 per cent in February. That’s an incredibly slow pace compared to the same period last year. Even more worrying is the fact that developers in second, third and fourth tier cities have started reducing prices to sell apartments.

This is a far cry from previous years, when Beijing had to step in to impose draconian policies to restrict people from buying property in a bid to put a lid on skyrocketing house prices. There are ominous signs that bubbles are quickly developing in China’s third- and fourth-tier cities.

Zhang from Nomura argues that foreign and Chinese investors are often misled by soaring prices in major cities like Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou and Shenzhen. In fact, they only account for 5 per cent of housing under construction.

Twenty-four second-tier cities -- mostly provincial capitals -- account for 28 per cent of housing under construction. On the other hand, the mostly overlooked third- and fourth-tier cities account or 67 per cent of housing under construction, 69 per cent of sales, and 57 per cent of housing investment.

Zhang argues that the fast-emerging risk comes from the overlooked third- and fourth-tier cities. The rapid expansion in the sector has contributed to a large over-supply of housing stocks in many smaller cities dotted around the country.

Between 2000 and 2013, China’s residential property supply increased 423 per cent. On a per head basis, an average Chinese person enjoyed about 23.4 square metres back in 2009, a figure comparable to Russia, but far below other developed countries.

However, as a result of rapid expansion, the average residential floor space increased 31 per cent to 30.6 square metres in 2013, a level that is comparable to developed countries like Japan and Britain.

Let's use Guiyang as an example. Guiyang is a small mountainous city in southern China with a population of four million people. The five largest real estate projects in the city are building 74.2 million square metres of new apartments, enough to house two million people.

The head of forecasting at the state information centre, Zhu Baoliang, says the situation in Guiyang was “madness”.

“The planned new city is several times larger than the old town,” he told the Southern Weekend newspaper.

Some of China’s largest and well-financed property developers are shifting their focus away from third- and fourth-tier cities and are moving back to major metropolises like Beijing and Shanghai, despite soaring land prices.

How bad are the problems in these smaller cities that account for a majority of new housing construction in China? Can we expect a major correction in the sector that could lead to a sharp downturn in the Chinese economy?

China Spectator will look at these problems in a series of articles over the following weeks.

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Save your breath.. dude cant differentiate btw tenanted property vs non tenanted units.. with price..

I have also notice that dude is also cant differentiate the working of RPGT vs stamp duty adjudication.. the former is clearly based on profit only no other inteference body to calculate for you..

Accordong to my friend

exp.. prop cost 400k developer flipped 700k.. profit is total 300k.. RPGT cuts on 300k .. of couse still can discount .. on other costs

Stamp duty is the one calculated adjudicated..

say  bought from developer 400k..
selling 300k ( selling in need of money)
stamp duty is still based on prevaling market rate by LHDN.. if they feels is 500k.. they will ask you to pay stamp duty based on 500k.. NOT 400K OR PITY YOU 300K..

if a smart ass ask bought developer 400k
smart ass flippers sold 800k.. howevrr LHDN similar market rate is 500k..
screw you.. they will not rely on 500k even ttansacted b4.. they will still adjudicate stamp duty at 800k.. same unit..

Dude.. dude.. I hope to repo him..
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So smart ass......
If a prop bought at 400k...
Sold at 300k (for whatsoever reason)....
Market valuation: 700k....
Stamp duty without doubt will base on 700k....
So u mean LHDN will let u go off without RPGT? As its transacting at a loss..... sweat.gif sweat.gif
And btw... u kno who pay stamp duty kar?... tongue.gif tongue.gif

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FLIPPER!!!  vmad.gif  vmad.gif  vmad.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 4 2014, 05:59 PM)
Save your breath.. dude cant differentiate btw tenanted property vs non tenanted units.. with price..

I have also notice that dude is also cant differentiate the working of RPGT vs stamp duty adjudication.. the former is clearly based on profit only no other inteference body to calculate for you..

Accordong to my friend

exp.. prop cost 400k developer flipped 700k.. profit is total 300k.. RPGT cuts on 300k .. of couse still can discount .. on other costs

Stamp duty is the one calculated adjudicated..

say  bought from developer 400k..
selling 300k ( selling in need of money)
stamp duty is still based on prevaling market rate by LHDN.. if they feels is 500k.. they will ask you to pay stamp duty based on 500k.. NOT 400K OR PITY YOU 300K..

if a smart ass ask bought developer 400k
smart ass flippers sold 800k.. howevrr LHDN similar market rate is 500k..
screw you.. they will not rely on 500k even ttansacted b4.. they will still adjudicate stamp duty at 800k.. same unit..

Dude.. dude.. I hope to repo him..
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seems interesting topic.... am i too late to join in?lol, but v5 ady...... but really still havent burst. probably will burst when reach v99
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If u see the date for v1, v1 to v5 did not take very long time!

If it is such a hot topic, it does tell something, doesn't it ? whistling.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 4 2014, 06:43 PM)
So smart ass......
If a prop bought at 400k...
Sold at 300k (for whatsoever reason)....
Market valuation: 700k....
Stamp duty without doubt will base on 700k....
So u mean LHDN will let u go off without RPGT? As its transacting at a loss.....  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
And btw... u kno who pay stamp duty kar?...  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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can you please check your last post somewhere in RPGT? u really tink i dumb till RPGT AND stamp duty who pays?

hello, it was you who disseminated information to the potential sellers about

" LDHN has a different valuation" , i m replying you on whether such valuation exist in RPGT.. that is a stamp duty model smart dude.."

are you really an investors to begin with?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 4 2014, 08:36 PM)
can you please check your last post somewhere in RPGT? u really tink i dumb till RPGT AND stamp duty who pays?

hello, it was you who disseminated information to the potential sellers about

" LDHN has a different valuation" , i m replying you on whether such valuation exist in RPGT.. that is a stamp duty model smart dude.."

are you really an investors to begin with?
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Well.... whether u tat dumb or not im not too sure..... but one thing for sure u arent tat smart.... tongue.gif tongue.gif
Why not u answer my earlier question? rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif
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If a prop bought at 400k...
Sold at 300k (for whatsoever reason)....
Market valuation: 700k....
Stamp duty without doubt will base on 700k....
So u mean LHDN will let u go off without RPGT? As its transacting at a loss....

Answering this will give u the answer of this statement.... "LDHN has a different valuation"...... No? blink.gif blink.gif
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 4 2014, 08:48 PM)
Well.... whether u tat dumb or not im not too sure..... but one thing for sure u arent tat smart....  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
Why not u answer my earlier question?  rolleyes.gif  rolleyes.gif

Answering this will give u the answer of this statement.... "LDHN has a different valuation"...... No?  blink.gif  blink.gif
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You wanna pay both smart ppl? You only pay RPGT.. in your example.. you making a loss.. there is no RPGT...

stamp duty is based on 700k.. hello I dun understand .. you only sell properties and dun buy properties ah smart ass?

LHDN has different valuation for stamp duty.. RPGT only 1 formula.. you mention there are different valuation remember?

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 4 2014, 09:04 PM)
You wanna pay both smart ppl? You only pay RPGT..  in your example.. you making a loss.. there is no RPGT...

stamp duty is based on 700k.. hello I dun understand .. you only sell properties and dun buy properties ah smart ass?

LHDN has different valuation for stamp duty.. RPGT only 1 formula.. you mention there are different valuation remember?
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the more you guy talk the more i rclxub.gif .... can recap what is the argument?
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QUOTE(bcpbeancounter @ Apr 4 2014, 09:08 PM)
the more you guy talk the more i  rclxub.gif .... can recap what is the argument?
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U check RPGt threads.. u wil know..

dude is telling RPGT.. LDHN has different valuation.. in fact it does not.. he using stamp duty model in RPGT..

I further eloborate on stamp duty calculation.. he tink he can bypass RPGT and help purchaser save stamp duty by marking down S&P price..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 4 2014, 09:04 PM)
You wanna pay both smart ppl? You only pay RPGT..  in your example.. you making a loss.. there is no RPGT...

stamp duty is based on 700k.. hello I dun understand .. you only sell properties and dun buy properties ah smart ass?

LHDN has different valuation for stamp duty.. RPGT only 1 formula.. you mention there are different valuation remember?
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So smart ass..... U are saying LHDN "WILL HAV TO" accept your selling price at 300k even though knowing the market valuation price is at 700k? notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 4 2014, 09:16 PM)
So smart ass..... U are saying LHDN "WILL HAV TO" accept your selling price at 300k even though knowing the market valuation price is at 700k?  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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What are you saying? You may want to refer to RPGT threads.. ur work is framed there.. perhaps drop a reply smart dude..


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QUOTE(SilverSpoon @ Apr 5 2014, 12:46 AM)
What a comment rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

Anyway, car loan interest is slowly creeping up.  hmm.gif
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The central bank's latest statistics showed that the impaired loans for the purchase of motor vehicles stood at RM2.33 billion in February 2014, a significant increase of 8.3% from RM2.15 billion in January 2014, as well as an increase of 21% from RM1.93 billion a year ago.

http://www.thesundaily.my/news/1004607

More works for BBW.

Wonder why npl jumped? Invested in property rather than paying car installment?

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The central bank's latest statistics showed that the impaired loans for the purchase of motor vehicles stood at RM2.33 billion in February 2014, a significant increase of 8.3% from RM2.15 billion in January 2014, as well as an increase of 21% from RM1.93 billion a year ago.

http://www.thesundaily.my/news/1004607

More works for BBW.

Wonder why npl jumped? Invested in property rather than paying car installment?
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Well if they cant service their car loan and went bankrupt, it is not because of property price. No 1 reason people are bankrupt in malaysia is hire purchase car loan.

And still car price dont crash.
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QUOTE(SilverSpoon @ Apr 5 2014, 12:46 AM)
What a comment rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

Anyway, car loan interest is slowly creeping up.  hmm.gif
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Welcome back, any good news for DDD?
Been talking DDD since 2008, US/euro crisis, china/Hong Kong/ausie price drop, QE tapering, Greece bankruptcy, BLR increased, n now car loan interest increase, water cuts etc....
Pls share more
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Welcome back, any good news for DDD?
Been talking DDD since 2008, US/euro crisis, china/Hong Kong/ausie price drop, QE tapering, Greece bankruptcy, BLR increased, n now car loan interest increase, water cuts etc....
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I will think that before make any comparison, must think of the risk profile first and the co relation between the 2. Otherwise, it is just comparing apple to orange.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 5 2014, 01:00 AM)
The central bank's latest statistics showed that the impaired loans for the purchase of motor vehicles stood at RM2.33 billion in February 2014, a significant increase of 8.3% from RM2.15 billion in January 2014, as well as an increase of 21% from RM1.93 billion a year ago.

http://www.thesundaily.my/news/1004607

More works for BBW.

Wonder why npl jumped? Invested in property rather than paying car installment?
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Oh no.....car market bubble burst is going to happen soon sad.gif

iceman, you have statistics for impaired loan for purchase of real property ?

Also, your version of "why and how property jumped from RM600k to RM1000k" and "the established economic theory" you have been talking about all these while
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Boss, i ll be at your side till the end....  icon_rolleyes.gif

Omg Omg.... I m another dupe account...  thumbup.gif
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Boss v dun need banana n some other vege or fruit to dupe ma. UUU alwiz here till kantoi wan. Np for tat. Its way beta than DDD keep changing name. tongue.gif

Anw the jiao lang mentioned worgen wo. I remember they accused worgen to b another person dupe. She really running out of idea liao. cool2.gif

Anw, market so bad, jiao lang buying. Such great leader is hard to find. No wonder v hav some superb ministers giving superb excuses for all crisis. doh.gif

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Early morning eat banana. Good for pang sai.
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I am going to register more account. Lets hav a banana party.
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Boss, no need la. U ll stil c me as ME in 2020. Why need dupe??? Super strategy like super food???
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I will think that before make any comparison, must think of the risk profile first and the co relation between the 2. Otherwise, it is just comparing apple to orange.
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Agree...both are 2 different products.. but dont you tink dat property are higher in risk taking into account their price?.. told you before... dat day signed off thousands of demand letters for hire purchaser defaulters.. per bank..

property value has room for appreviation and can profit.. provided they are not flipped badly leaving no ro for appreciation.. these kind of defaulters surely low end flippers a lot esoecially those relying on rental proceeds are confirmed to be bancrupt..

ask amaya.. hire purchase which bank is top? Hmm ambank... public bank..

housing loans.. ocbc( aggressive).. cimb( prefer loans 500k above targetting middle clsss).. affin bank(45 years max loans now reduced to 35)... public bank(taking everyting othrr banks dun want to do 50k loan also do).. alliance bank( best interest rates as of now depending on tiers too).. hong leong bank ( flexi loans..personal loans.. constructions loans)

amaya surely know market is good or no good?.. write off alot?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 5 2014, 10:25 AM)
Agree...both are 2 different products.. but dont you tink dat property are higher in risk taking into account their price?.. told you before... dat day signed off thousands of demand letters for hire purchaser defaulters.. per bank..

property value has room for appreviation and can profit.. provided they are not flipped badly leaving no ro for appreciation.. these kind of defaulters surely low end flippers a lot esoecially those relying on rental proceeds are confirmed to be bancrupt..

ask amaya.. hire purchase which bank is top? Hmm ambank... public bank..

housing loans.. ocbc( aggressive).. cimb( prefer loans 500k above targetting middle clsss).. affin bank(45 years max loans now reduced to 35)... public bank(taking everyting othrr banks dun want to do 50k loan also do).. alliance bank( best interest rates as of now depending on tiers too).. hong leong bank ( flexi loans..personal loans.. constructions loans)

amaya surely know market is good or no good?.. write off alot?
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Go n get one faster, let the price turtle up, forget about your lousy analysis
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Go n get one faster, let the price turtle up, forget about your lousy analysis
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told you di i will... now itself i am looking BUT not for INVESTMENT.. i realy dont see there is any room left for such intention.. i also hope my DDD campers can get their units soon..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 5 2014, 10:42 AM)
told you di i will... now itself i am looking BUT not for INVESTMENT.. i realy dont see there is any room left for such intention.. i also hope my DDD campers can get their units soon..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 5 2014, 10:25 AM)
Agree...both are 2 different products.. but dont you tink dat property are higher in risk taking into account their price?.. told you before... dat day signed off thousands of demand letters for hire purchaser defaulters.. per bank..

property value has room for appreviation and can profit.. provided they are not flipped badly leaving no ro for appreciation.. these kind of defaulters surely low end flippers a lot esoecially those relying on rental proceeds are confirmed to be bancrupt..

ask amaya.. hire purchase which bank is top? Hmm ambank... public bank..

housing loans.. ocbc( aggressive).. cimb( prefer loans 500k above targetting middle clsss).. affin bank(45 years max loans now reduced to 35)... public bank(taking everyting othrr banks dun want to do 50k loan also do).. alliance bank( best interest rates as of now depending on tiers too).. hong leong bank ( flexi loans..personal loans.. constructions loans)

amaya surely know market is good or no good?.. write off alot?
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Had been heard of high bankruptcy cases for CC and HP in the past few years. Are they also default their housing loans? Or do they own a house at the first place?

I tot PBB has the lowest NPL provision among the banks. Not true?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 5 2014, 10:25 AM)
Agree...both are 2 different products.. but dont you tink dat property are higher in risk taking into account their price?.. told you before... dat day signed off thousands of demand letters for hire purchaser defaulters.. per bank..

property value has room for appreviation and can profit.. provided they are not flipped badly leaving no ro for appreciation.. these kind of defaulters surely low end flippers a lot esoecially those relying on rental proceeds are confirmed to be bancrupt..

ask amaya.. hire purchase which bank is top? Hmm ambank... public bank..

housing loans.. ocbc( aggressive).. cimb( prefer loans 500k above targetting middle clsss).. affin bank(45 years max loans now reduced to 35)... public bank(taking everyting othrr banks dun want to do 50k loan also do).. alliance bank( best interest rates as of now depending on tiers too).. hong leong bank ( flexi loans..personal loans.. constructions loans)

amaya surely know market is good or no good?.. write off alot?
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rclxub.gif

lets wait for financial crisis then.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 5 2014, 10:42 AM)
told you di i will... now itself i am looking BUT not for INVESTMENT.. i realy dont see there is any room left for such intention.. i also hope my DDD campers can get their units soon..
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bearbear, sincere advice. Buy the house you and your partner like. Not the price you like. House that you like may not be available during crash time (if crash really happens)
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Welcome back, any good news for DDD?
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Property price only started to increase in 2008/9 because of materials, and bubble only begin in around 2011.

QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 5 2014, 10:17 AM)
Oh no.....car market bubble burst is going to happen soon  sad.gif

iceman, you have statistics for impaired loan for purchase of real property ?

Also, your version of "why and how property jumped from RM600k to RM1000k" and "the established economic theory" you have been talking about all these while
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I know of people who pushed landed property transacted price in established areas (e.g. USJ, BU) to record high but not preparing to reveal their tricks. Property owners and vendors can have their dream while it last.

As if property market is detached from aggregate economy and rise in npl in car loan won't have impact on property demand.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 5 2014, 02:02 PM)
Property price only started to increase in 2008/9 because of materials, and bubble only begin in around 2011.
I know of people who pushed landed property transacted price in established areas (e.g. USJ, BU) to record high but not preparing to reveal their tricks. Property owners and vendors can have their dream while it last.

As if property market is detached from aggregate economy and rise in npl in car loan won't have impact on property demand.
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bubble begin in 2011? Are u living in your own world
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Emmm does rise in npl in car loan made car price crash and cars cheaper? I dont think so and cars are not worth the value u pay for it and still people buy. Summore car buyers are more agressive in upgrading themselves. From proton to honda to bmw...and still car price dont crash.

Would people lose their cars or lose their house? Ergo cars are still maintained at that high price cos people keep buying them and house dont crash cos people still need a place to stay. And again if u cant afford to buy a property that is worth 1m then dont buy, there are other people who are willing at that price as there are people who are willing to pay a BMW that depreciates in value.
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This thread still hot hot??
Buy or no buy up to personal decisions.
Why all personal attacks??
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bubble begin in 2011? Are u living in your own world
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Believe current property bubble begin with introduction of dibs.


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Believe current property bubble begin with introduction of dibs.
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Boss dibs could b 1 of the ingredient. But QE has a bigger effect i supposed.
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Boss dibs could b 1 of the ingredient. But QE has a bigger effect i supposed.
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a combination of factors for sure one of which is low interest rate, easy credit...
DIBs is a big factor too..
so is QE ..

local and foreign banks were a bit more friendly a few years back but since the taps have been tightened,
the buying in primary market has soften but may pick up later in 2nd half of this year


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Welcome back, any good news for DDD?
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Most stock punters were making profit and happy for about 8 years before they were wiped out on 1997. Unless property market can defy established economic theory, similar fate or worst will happen to most flippers.

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Boss dibs could b 1 of the ingredient. But QE has a bigger effect i supposed.
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Yes, agreed. And some believe tapering of qe won't effect the market.

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Yes, agreed. And some believe tapering of qe won't effect the market.
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It ll hit stock market 1st. Whether onot it hit RE is depend on how the stock market defend itself.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 5 2014, 03:07 PM)
Believe current property bubble begin with introduction of dibs.
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Dibs only small interest amount allocated over 2-3 years. You mean zero-entry ?
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 5 2014, 03:21 PM)
Most stock punters were making profit and happy for about 8 years before they were wiped out on 1997. Unless property market can defy established economic theory, similar fate  or worst will happen to most flippers.
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Still don't know what is the "established economic theory" you are talking about. Asked 3 times already


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It ll hit stock market 1st. Whether onot it hit RE is depend on how the stock market defend itself.
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Boss, QE tapering from $80b down to $50b already. Stock market still all time high.
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Boss, QE tapering from $80b down to $50b already. Stock market still all time high.
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Still don't know what is the "established economic theory" you are talking about. Asked 3 times already
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Uuu and bbb favorite "supply and demand theory". In addition, can read books by Prof Robert Schiller.

P.s guess you are very much vested in properties, can't afford for it to fail.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 5 2014, 05:36 PM)
Uuu and bbb favorite "supply and demand theory". In addition,  can read books by Prof Robert Schiller.

P.s guess you are very much vested in properties,  can't afford for it to fail.
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Ceh i thought what super duper theory you have tongue.gif

Bro, i wish the price can come down so i can buy more. My aim is rental, not flipping. But 6 months after budget 2013, still no sign of coming down, let alone crash. Supply and demand theory is correct because the demand is still there. Supply also less because people still holding dont want to sell. Thats why price didnt come down. You theory explain the current situation very well thumbup.gif
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You have a thick face thicker than rhino.. from RPGT.. to tenanted house vs non tenanted..

I have leave rooms for you yet you dont appreciate yourself..

do you have dignity? Dun feed the trolls.. unworthy of my time..
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Ceh i thought what super duper theory you have  tongue.gif

Bro, i wish the price can come down so i can buy more. My aim is rental, not flipping. But 6 months after budget 2013, still no sign of coming down, let alone crash. Supply and demand theory is correct because the demand is still there. Supply also less because people still holding dont want to sell. Thats why price didnt come down. You theory explain the current situation very well  thumbup.gif
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Believe we haven't reach the tipping point for price to come down.



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Believe we haven't reach the tipping point for price to come down.
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I hope you are right. I had high hopes when ah jib announce budget 2014. But lost hope after 1/2 year later. Looking at the economy, there is no signs of downturn. Not only no downturn, the economy looks so much brighter for the coming few years. Even when those DIBS projects are VPed next year, as long as people have jobs, they have holding power. It really doesn't look like a full blown crash will happen. Let's see...
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CUEPACS gesa kerajaan turunkan kadar faedah pinjaman perumahan kepada satu peratus

http://www.astroawani.com/news/show/cuepac...u-peratus-33274

Kongres Kesatuan Pekerja-pekerja di Dalam Perkhidmatan Awam (CUEPACS) menggesa kerajaan untuk mengkaji dan menurunkan kadar faedah pinjaman perumahan daripada empat peratus kepada satu peratus.

hmmm....
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hmmm....
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these kind of request will be ignored just like that.. u really think bank ki siau? if ask for 1 percent is better than treasury interest rates for government servants..

i would have agree if it was for first house with low income bracket.. can you make it happen? second house and above increase 1 more percent ..
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I hope you are right. I had high hopes when ah jib announce budget 2014. But lost hope after 1/2 year later. Looking at the economy, there is no signs of downturn. Not only no downturn, the economy looks so much brighter for the coming few years. Even when those DIBS projects are VPed next year, as long as people have jobs, they have holding power. It really doesn't look like a full blown crash will happen. Let's see...
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Believe many over stretched flippers intend to flip upon vp. Buyers targeted by these flippers are likely to have bought or buy from developers than subsale and not easy to obtain bank loan. Hence, these over stretched flippers will have no choice but to hold and many will become npl especially if interest rate increased.

Private vendors won't sell below market price. However, banks recovery department behave differently.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 5 2014, 07:39 PM)
Believe many over stretched flippers intend to flip upon vp. Buyers targeted by these flippers are likely to have bought or buy from developers than subsale and not easy to obtain bank loan. Hence, these over stretched flippers will have no choice but to hold and many will become npl especially if interest rate increased.

Private vendors won't sell below market price. However, banks recovery department behave differently.
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Hmm...over stretched flippers. You mean banks approve loan to them even when they can't afford ? Like their net income is RM5k, they manage to buy 2 properties at RM500k each with installment RM2.3k x 2 = RM4.6k ? So, they have to flip upon VP ?

Got such bank meh ? Never heard of people manage to get so high loan
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Most stock punters were making profit and happy for about 8 years before they were wiped out on 1997. Unless property market can defy established economic theory, similar fate  or worst will happen to most flippers.
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But no mass crash of property during those times. And cars were still high price and people still buy cars too. Just sale went down a bit but the price still high.

And stock went down 1997, how is stock price now?
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Hmm...over stretched flippers. You mean banks approve loan to them even when they can't afford ? Like their net income is RM5k, they manage to buy 2 properties at RM500k each with installment RM2.3k x 2 = RM4.6k ? So, they have to flip upon VP ?

Got such bank meh ? Never heard of people manage to get so high loan
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Eligible to loan doesn't mean affordable. It is not unknown many over stretched their income for higher loan amount.


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But no mass crash of property during those times. And cars were still high price and people still buy cars too. Just sale went down a bit but the price still high.

And stock went down 1997, how is stock price now?
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Property market was following the stock market in 1990's but current property market is taking the lead.

Some of stocks in 1990's is no longer available.


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Eligible to loan doesn't mean affordable. It is not unknown many over stretched their income for higher loan amount.
Property market was following the stock market in 1990's but current property market is taking the lead.

Some of stocks in 1990's is no longer available.
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Some stocks no longer available but most of them still there. And how are the stocks now? And as i said property market didnt crash then even when some stocks dont exist anymore and property is not going to crash now when klci is very healthy. Even if klci drop 100 points now, dunt think a massive property crash will happen.
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As per my analysis, there are as much as twice the amount of development order submission compared to last year.

Hope everyone continue to share their thoughts about the market.
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Eligible to loan doesn't mean affordable. It is not unknown many over stretched their income for higher loan amount.

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There must be some who over-stretched. The question is whether they form a number substantial enough to crash the property market. You are actually betting on the banks had substantially approved loans to these people. Looking at the banking system rulings all these while, and the records on how BNM and Zeti regulate the banks, would the number of these people be substantial ? For Eg. do these people form 30% of overall borrowers ?


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As per my analysis, there are as much as twice the amount of development order submission compared to last year.

Hope everyone continue to share their thoughts about the market.
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accetera, you are the best reference in terms of new launches. Thanks for sharing your compilation in Property Talk notworthy.gif

I am surprised that there are more projects coming in the pipeline even after Budget 2014 curbing measures. Developers won't plan launches if they are not confident they can sell. It just shows that the government's curbing measures have failed big time. And pr1ma can't keep up with demand by a long shot. If they view fighting high property price seriously, they need to do a lot more. Otherwise, consumer confidence in property will remain sky high.
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Walao wai...more supply..where is the demand? Bangla? Burma? Indon?

now everyone can be a developer. Confirm oversupply kau kau.

i better fast fast sales.... tongue.gif
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Supply mah supply lor. No choice. Is not like people fire-sale like dat especially when all the new rules/policies coming into picture.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 5 2014, 08:25 PM)
Eligible to loan doesn't mean affordable. It is not unknown many over stretched their income for higher loan amount.
Property market was following the stock market in 1990's but current property market is taking the lead.

Some of stocks in 1990's is no longer available.
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Over stretched for higher loan amount???
U never apply loan in your life or just don't apply loan recently??
U thought bank allow borrowers to over stretch as they wish to??
70% loan margin implemented since 1st Nov 2010, getting harder to get approval in 2012, n more harder in 2013 till now, do u find any cheap stuff since BNM trying hard to control.
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 5 2014, 07:15 PM)
I hope you are right. I had high hopes when ah jib announce budget 2014. But lost hope after 1/2 year later. Looking at the economy, there is no signs of downturn. Not only no downturn, the economy looks so much brighter for the coming few years. Even when those DIBS projects are VPed next year, as long as people have jobs, they have holding power. It really doesn't look like a full blown crash will happen. Let's see...
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i have said it many many many times....

all the price appreciation after 2009 is caused by China's money, as they have released, USD 12,000 Billion into the market since early 2009. caused many countries properties prices to soar.

and malaysians as usual are ignorant at all the things happening outside of malaysia.

China is tightening now as we speak, a lot of companies are selling assets to pay their loans.
steel, copper is at 4 year low. overstock pile at China.

China will not consume so much as before, expect commodities price to go down.
since early 2012, china business already dropping. Factories orders dropping, debt keep on increasing, house price keep on increasing.

our local Malaysian market here keeps on running on local stimulus.
how long can you think it can keep on running ? rolleyes.gif

najib already doubled our national debt from RM 200Bil to RM 550Bil.

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i have said it many many many times....

all the price appreciation after 2009 is caused by China's money, as they have released, USD 12,000 Billion into the market since early 2009. caused many countries properties prices to soar.

and malaysians as usual are ignorant at all the things happening outside of malaysia.

China is tightening now as we speak, a lot of companies are selling assets to pay their loans.
steel, copper is at 4 year low. overstock pile at China.

China will not consume so much as before, expect commodities price to go down.
since early 2012, china business already dropping. Factories orders dropping, debt keep on increasing, house price keep on increasing.

our local Malaysian market here keeps on running on local stimulus.
how long can you think it can keep on running ?  rolleyes.gif

najib already doubled our national debt from RM 200Bil to RM 550Bil.
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Intersting to know that china money is in malaysia prop market since 2009.
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i have said it many many many times....

all the price appreciation after 2009 is caused by China's money, as they have released, USD 12,000 Billion into the market since early 2009. caused many countries properties prices to soar.

and malaysians as usual are ignorant at all the things happening outside of malaysia.

China is tightening now as we speak, a lot of companies are selling assets to pay their loans.
steel, copper is at 4 year low. overstock pile at China. Second this....  icon_rolleyes.gif

China will not consume so much as before, expect commodities price to go down.
since early 2012, china business already dropping. Factories orders dropping, debt keep on increasing, house price keep on increasing.

our local Malaysian market here keeps on running on local stimulus.
how long can you think it can keep on running ?  rolleyes.gif

najib already doubled our national debt from RM 200Bil to RM 550Bil.
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Intersting to know that china money is in malaysia prop market since 2009.
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But where did they buy? I dont see many in KL. So Iskandar only?
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But where did they buy? I dont see many in KL. So Iskandar only?
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Not sure le...your amaya got china buyer? rclxm9.gif
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A few things about china. In another forum website i mentioned that the 1 child policy in china was going to be a mistake for the country. Now they change it to 2 child policy with provided that both parents are only child. Less young population and crowded with more old population is no good. China just realize this.

Malaysia we can have as many children as we want and these grown up babies want a decent house.
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Not sure le...your amaya got china buyer? rclxm9.gif
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The ones that i know interested wit amaya was indonesian and singaporean. Both chinese but not from china.
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A few things about china. In another forum website i mentioned that the 1 child policy in china was going to be a mistake for the country. Now they change it to 2 child policy with provided that both parents are only child. Less young population and crowded with more old population is no good. China just realize this.

Malaysia we can have as many children as we want and these grown up babies want a decent house.
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china has too many populations... 1.2 billion if no control it will be like India.. unhealthy growth in society with lack seducations, food, basic rights, protections and etc..

Malaysia even subsidies ppl who have more babies like Singapore, incentive... then again, in any capitalist country, working class always are 70% cannot run even population boom... so the majority products like educations, housing, food, cars, transport, and etc like it or not will to be for catering these group.. and these same group generate moneys for the rich..

so commodities must go in line with affordability..

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Intersting to know that china money is in malaysia prop market since 2009.
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it's called asset propping. Housing growth/bubble cause the biggest bubble of all, because people can borrow more equity of the house that they hold.

when big nations central banks does one thing, the small nations will usually follow.
Like lowering interest rates, and allowing massive loans to be released.
It's simple, if u borrow 2% from china, our banks still offer 8% FD, there will be carry trade, means they borrow Chinese money to throw into our FD. If our banks have too much money in FD, they also cant generate back so much of returns.
So smaller countries follows what big nation central banks does.
US Federal Reserve has already hinted of tightening, and over Asia, about USD 1,000 Billion has been shifted away from SEA markets altogether, all these money are in form of bonds, shares, loans and so on.


So all the chinese buyers went to HK, Singapore, UK to sapu their properties. So singaporeans come here to sapu ours.

In line with Najib's economic plans which is by housing growth.
In context of debt figures, when Abdullah stepped down, our nation's debt was at about RM 200+ bil.
now after 5 years, our nation debt is at RM 550bil.

Household debt is at 83% already.

The only way to continue this "enormous growth" is by 2 generation loan. Means prolonging the duration of loan.
You pay 30years, your son continue paying for you like in Japan.

I say very simple things. Everybody wants to have big bungalow, nice big cars.
Most of the people borrowed money from banks to buy all those above.
If banks dont want to lend money, where u find buyer ??



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But where did they buy? I dont see many in KL. So Iskandar only?
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maybe you want to check KIpark .. and kip group.. what ppl are behind these projects? China through Malaysian body acquire lot of lands in Sepang.. in my knowledge..

however thee points are not important whoever invested in Malaysia need to spread their product for profits.. the targets more likely than not will be malaysian working class themselves..

if Malaysian already left vacant units but sold, can they buy better from China investors? answer is very obvious..


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it's called asset propping. Housing growth/bubble cause the biggest bubble of all, because people can borrow more equity of the house that they hold.

when big nations central banks does one thing, the small nations will usually follow.
Like lowering interest rates, and allowing massive loans to be released.
It's simple, if u borrow 2% from china, our banks still offer 8% FD, there will be carry trade, means they borrow Chinese money to throw into our FD. If our banks have too much money in FD, they also cant generate back so much of returns.
So smaller countries follows what big nation central banks does.
US Federal Reserve has already hinted of tightening, and over Asia, about USD 1,000 Billion has been shifted away from SEA markets altogether, all these money are in form of bonds, shares, loans and so on.
So all the chinese buyers went to HK, Singapore, UK to sapu their properties. So singaporeans come here to sapu ours.

In line with Najib's economic plans which is by housing growth.
In context of debt figures, when Abdullah stepped down, our nation's debt was at about RM 200+ bil.
now after 5 years, our nation debt is at RM 550bil.

Household debt is at 83% already.

The only way to continue this "enormous growth" is by 2 generation loan. Means prolonging the duration of loan.
You pay 30years, your son continue paying for you like in Japan.

I say very simple things. Everybody wants to have big bungalow, nice big cars.
Most of the people borrowed money from banks to buy all those above.
If banks dont want to lend money, where u find buyer ??
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yup 2 generation loans as expected, ZETI sure copy cat other country one.. to salvage the bubble to burst later

I dun think they care about it.. they just want $$$.

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Trying to repeat a lie many times in hope of it becomes the truth ?  notworthy.gif
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/19/...N0MG1B220140319

let me introduce you to a sure win tactic,

china buyers selling their HK property 20% below purchase price. brows.gif

please go sapu all smile.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 5 2014, 11:53 PM)
china has too many populations... 1.2 billion  if no control it will be like India.. unhealthy growth in society with lack seducations, food, basic rights, protections and etc..

Malaysia even subsidies ppl who have more babies like Singapore, incentive... then again, in any capitalist country, working class always are 70% cannot run even population boom... so the majority products like educations, housing, food, cars, transport, and etc like it or not will to be for catering these group.. and these same group generate moneys for the rich..

so commodities must go in line with affordability..
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But forcing one child is not the way to go for a conmunist country who wants to be forefront in military and economic power. India is overpopulated but that dont make them weak in fact it contributes to their economy.

Singapore they promote people to have babies but they just dont want too, but then even worse they import people from other countries espcially china to be their citizen. Than compete to buy housing with the original singaporeansz
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 5 2014, 11:53 PM)
china has too many populations... 1.2 billion  if no control it will be like India.. unhealthy growth in society with lack seducations, food, basic rights, protections and etc..

Malaysia even subsidies ppl who have more babies like Singapore, incentive... then again, in any capitalist country, working class always are 70% cannot run even population boom... so the majority products like educations, housing, food, cars, transport, and etc like it or not will to be for catering these group.. and these same group generate moneys for the rich..

so commodities must go in line with affordability..
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Why are u so worry about people cannot afford? Relax la...when developer cannot sell thier prop, sure they will lower thier price. Then only u buy la...but when people can buy, you keep telling people don buy, where banana going to find SH to buy her prop le...later she tulan lo...relax...eat more banana...good for pang sai.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 5 2014, 11:58 PM)
maybe you want to check KIpark .. and kip group.. what ppl are behind these projects? China through Malaysian body acquire lot of lands in Sepang.. in my knowledge..

however thee points are not important whoever invested in Malaysia need to spread their product for profits.. the targets more likely than not will be malaysian working class themselves..

if Malaysian already left vacant units but sold, can they buy better from China investors? answer is very obvious..
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And china contraktor building MRT right? They can buy and live in sepang..but it wont be that expensive i believe so doesnt fit wit the bubble theory.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/19/...N0MG1B220140319

let me introduce you to a sure win tactic,

china buyers selling their HK property 20% below purchase price.  brows.gif

please go sapu all  smile.gif
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Why talk about other market ? If malaysia market is like them, then your theory is right. But until then, you are still wrong
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Why talk about other market ? If malaysia market is like them, then your theory is right. But until then, you are still wrong
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ok, u win all la, house prices will increase 20% per year forever one la......
please buy more, use your mum's name, your dad's name, your sibling's name.....

ok, i talk cock and shiat, my stupid idiot theory,

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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Apr 6 2014, 12:05 AM)
But forcing one child is not the way to go for a conmunist country who wants to be forefront in military and economic power. India is overpopulated but that dont make them weak in fact it contributes to their economy.

Singapore they promote people to have babies but they just dont want too, but then even worse they import people from other countries espcially china to be their citizen. Than compete to buy housing with the original singaporeansz
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You need not have a large populations to lead the worlds.. see US..world is lead by brains and money.. even chinais ptedicted to slack behind INdia in terms of population by 2020.. india cannot come up with these foundation to become superpowers..not denying they are coming up.. growth must be propotionate with sttength of coutry..

India if continue with the trends will be uncontrollable populations will take the old communist foot steps .. big population controlled by capatilist and other country.. so weak.. they must centralise their strength.. money.. growth plan to boost become a competative superpowers..

singapore has 5 milion population only.. they normslly naturalise chinese malaysian by singapore currency.. I.r$$$
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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Apr 6 2014, 12:04 AM)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/19/...N0MG1B220140319

let me introduce you to a sure win tactic,

china buyers selling their HK property 20% below purchase price.  brows.gif

please go sapu all  smile.gif
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Haha good.. malaysia sutely copy cat soon.. relying on own malaysian to keep the market in high value cannot work..

Malaysian has yet to achieve that standard.. harping malaysians to buy wont help clear and hit flipped units
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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Apr 6 2014, 12:13 AM)
ok, u win all la, house prices will increase 20% per year forever one la......
please buy more, use your mum's name, your dad's name, your sibling's name.....

ok, i talk cock and shiat, my stupid idiot theory,
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Didnt say prices will increase forever. Just saying chances are it wont crash like what you expect.

BTW, i just burnt a bangalow to my parents today. Hope they receive it down there
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There must be some who over-stretched. The question is whether they form a number substantial enough to crash the property market. You are actually betting on the banks had substantially approved loans to these people. Looking at the banking system rulings all these while, and the records on how BNM and Zeti regulate the banks, would the number of these people be substantial ? For Eg. do these people form 30% of overall borrowers ?
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The number of NPL to send auction price low won't be high especially if large quantity appear together.

QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Apr 5 2014, 10:38 PM)
Over stretched for higher loan amount???
U never apply loan in your life or just don't apply loan recently??
U thought bank allow borrowers to over stretch as they wish to??
70% loan margin implemented since 1st Nov 2010, getting harder to get approval in 2012, n more harder in 2013 till now, do u find any cheap stuff since BNM trying hard to control.
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As if the system is foolprove.


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The number of NPL to send auction price low won't be high especially if large quantity appear together.
As if the system is foolprove.
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I wondet how are the same banks also approving credit cards and car loans?... defaults instructions are flooding like mad
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I wondet how are the same banks also approving credit cards and car loans?... defaults instructions are flooding like mad
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Any idea how many cc and hp loan defaulters also owing in housing loan?
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Any idea how many cc and hp loan defaulters also owing in housing loan?
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Bank negara has it.. the whole ccris system with points will give a clearer picture..

or any banks with loan.. credit records eill have ccris records.. like my bank manager says.. if one cant afford to pay cc or car loans.. how save are their housing loans...
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You sounded soften... is that article happening? Or possible?
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I am more of a practical person. Greece, spain, euro crisis, sub prime all give a sense of emergencies to malaysia market before. But eventually nothing happen. This time china. Are you going to believe it would affect us differently from last time ? If you are affected by the news and over read the effect, you will never take action. At any point in time, there are bad news and good news. The difference between DDD and UUU is that DDD always over read and amplify the bad news. I will take it as just another piece of news. Unless ah jib introduce rpgt 30% for all the years then i will turn DDD

DDD always wait for all the traffic lights to turn green before they move. I will face the traffic lights one at a time. So what it turns red later in front ? There is always a way around red lights. The worse is to wait for it to turn green again

Bearbear if you still wait for all the traffic lights to turn green, you will never buy a property. Because at any point in time, there will be traffic lights somewhere which is red
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I am more of a practical person. Greece, spain, euro crisis, sub prime all give a sense of emergencies to malaysia market before. But eventually nothing happen. This time china. Are you going to believe it would affect us differently from last time ? If you are affected by the news and over read the effect, you will never take action. At any point in time, there are bad news and good news. The difference between DDD and UUU is that DDD always over read and amplify the bad news. I will take it as just another piece of news. Unless ah jib introduce rpgt 30% for all the years then i will turn DDD

DDD always wait for all the traffic lights to turn green before they move. I will face the traffic lights one at a time. So what it turns red later in front ? There is always a way around red lights. The worse is to wait for it to turn green again

Bearbear if you still wait for all the traffic lights to turn green, you will never buy a property. Because at any point in time, there will be traffic lights somewhere which is red
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Haiya.. I m too.. look at the prices.. you dont seem to step into the shoes of targeted property buyers.. since you are rich.. limit urself to have have a median salary of makaysian working class.. then with the money try look around any units for these ppl?

change that configuration for a middle class ..see any properties are worthy to grab?
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 6 2014, 12:50 AM)
I am more of a practical person. Greece, spain, euro crisis, sub prime all give a sense of emergencies to malaysia market before. But eventually nothing happen. This time china. Are you going to believe it would affect us differently from last time ?
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When these were happening, Malaysian economy was not attached to them strongly nor was in bubble. After property market bubble fueled by qe, is more vulnerable to external factors.

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or any banks with loan.. credit records eill have ccris records.. like my bank manager says.. if one cant afford to pay cc or car loans.. how save are their housing loans...
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Wonder how many of these cc and car loans defaulters have bought dibs units waiting to vp. If banks pull the plug immediately after non payment of housing loan, the bubble could pop sooner than expected.

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U.S. posts modest but solid job growth in March
YESTERDAY IN BUSINESS
BY VERONICA SMITH (AFP)

The United States added a modest 192,000 jobs in March as the economy emerged from a brutal winter, while the unemployment rate held steady, Labor Department data showed.

Job growth in the world's largest economy was a shade below analysts' average estimate of 195,000 net new jobs, and widely missed other estimates in the 200,000 range.

Still, the overall picture was more upbeat about a first quarter plagued by unusually bad winter weather in much of the country.

The department revised job growth for the prior two months up a net 37,000. February's number was hiked by 22,000 to 197,000.

The March unemployment rate was unchanged from February's 6.7 percent, disappointing expectations of a dip. The number of unemployed held steady at 10.5 million. Both measures have shown little movement since December.

Still, the March pace of job creation was better than the average of 183,000 over the prior 12 months.

"The post-winter rebound we hoped for did not happen, but the winter hit was smaller than previously believed," said Ian Shepherdson of Pantheon Macroeconomics.

"Payrolls have now returned to their pre-winter trend of just under 200,000 per month, more than enough to keep the unemployment rate trending down, unless the labor force begins to expand more rapidly."

The markets took the mostly in-line numbers in stride. The Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 0.15 percent and the Nasdaq Composite Index lost 0.23 percent in morning trade.

The euro was changed little against the dollar.

"Overall, the employment data won't change any perceptions that the economy is growing at a decent but sluggish pace," Briefing.com said.

"More importantly, the data also won't change any perceptions as to how the Fed might act."

More people were employed and actively seeking jobs in March, suggesting increased confidence in job prospects. The participation rate rose 0.2 percentage points to 63.2 percent.

March's job gains were exclusively in the private sector, though the number of new private nonfarm payrolls came in well below the 205,000 anticipated. Government added no jobs following a gain of 9,000 in February.

The vast services sector led growth with 57,000 new jobs. Gains were registered in health, food and beverage services and construction, while manufacturing shed 1,000 jobs.

The average workweek jumped to 34.5 hours, wiping out declines over the past three months.

Average hourly earnings edged down by one cent to $24.30, following a nine cent increase in February.

The White House welcomed the steady improvement in job growth over the past year but said more official efforts were needed to encourage hiring.

"While today's data indicates that the recovery is continuing to unfold, the President still believes further steps must be taken to strengthen growth and boost job creation," Jason Furman, head of President Barack Obama's Council of Economic Advisers, said in a statement.

- Fed tightening at bay -

Economists said the largely anticipated March jobs report should have little impact on the Federal Reserve's measured reduction of its stimulus program that started in January and is expected to wind up before the year ends, and would keep any interest hike in its near-zero key interest rate at bay.

The U.S. central bank has cut $10 billion a month from its asset-purchase program, now at $55 billion. The Federal Open Market Committee is expected to lop off another $10 billion at its April 29 and 30 meeting.

The Fed is particularly concerned about the persistently high level of long-term unemployed amid the slow recovery from the Great Recession.

In March, the number of people jobless for 27 weeks or more barely budget at 3.7 million, accounting for 35.8 percent of the unemployed.

"The flat unemployment rate, helped by the rise in the participation rate, along with the tame earnings data... and the rise in involuntary part-time employment will reinforce the case of Fed officials arguing that tightening is still a long way away," said Jim O'Sullivan, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics.

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 6 2014, 12:42 AM)
Bank negara has it.. the whole ccris system with points will give a clearer picture..

or any banks with loan.. credit records eill have ccris records.. like my bank manager says.. if one cant afford to pay cc or car loans.. how save are their housing loans...
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Put it this way the more ppl default on cc and car hp the smaller the housing market will be.
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Global air passenger traffic up 5.4% in February
Capacity grows 5.2%; Asia-Pacific carriers see growth moderating to 4%
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PUBLISHED APRIL 05, 2014

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IN line with the stronger economic growth this year, global passenger traffic expanded 5.4 per cent year on year in February, though it eased from the 8.2 per cent growth in January. Meanwhile, capacity, measured in available-seat-kilometres, grew by 5.2 per cent, nudging passenger load factor up to 78.1 per cent.

For the first two months of this year, passenger traffic, measured in revenue-passenger-kilometres, was up 6.9 per cent, surpassing the 5.2 per cent in the same period last year, figures released by the International Air Transport Association (Iata) yesterday showed. "People are flying. Strong demand is consistent with the pick-up in global economic growth, particularly in advanced economies," said Iata director-general Tony Tyler.

On international markets, Asia-Pacific carriers saw growth moderating to 4 per cent in February, from 8.3 per cent in January, though this was partly due to seasonal factors as Chinese New Year fell in January this year. Last year, Chinese New Year was in February. Capacity in the Asia-Pacific region, however, expanded at a faster 5.1 per cent in February, pushing load factor down to 76.8 per cent.

While economic activity in the region remains largely strong and trade volumes are on an upward track, China poses possible downside risks given that business activity in Asia's largest economy fell for the third month in a row in February, Iata warned.

Passenger traffic grew at the fastest pace in the Middle East, at 13.4 per cent, bolstered by its robust regional economies and rising demand for premium travel. Europe expanded at 5.8 per cent as the eurozone continues to pull itself out of its economic doldrums. Latin American carriers posted 4.2 per cent growth in international travel in February, with the outlook remaining "broadly positive", thanks in part to stronger economic performances from countries such as Colombia, Peru and Chile, as well as the upcoming Fifa World Cup which takes place in Brazil from June.

North American airlines registered 2 per cent expansion in international passenger traffic, though Iata expects stronger growth in coming months as employment growth and consumer spend show signs of picking up. African carriers, on the other hand, recorded flat growth in air travel volumes, which could be linked to a slowdown in some major economies in the region, such as South Africa. On the domestic market, air travel volumes increased 5.3 per cent in February, with markets such as Russia, China and Brazil recording double-digit growth.

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It seems that this year economic growth will be quite good, and property prices should be at least stable, if not grow by possibly 5-10% in good areas. For a few areas with oversupplied properties, I don't think there will be a correction by more than 5% from Jan 2014 pricing.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 6 2014, 12:21 AM)
Haha good.. malaysia sutely copy cat soon.. relying on own malaysian to keep the market in high value cannot work..

Malaysian has yet to achieve that standard.. harping malaysians to buy wont help clear and hit flipped units
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 6 2014, 12:22 AM)
Didnt say prices will increase forever. Just saying chances are it wont crash like what you expect.

BTW, i just burnt a bangalow to my parents today. Hope they receive it down there
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ya, maybe wont drop so much, lets say roll back 2 years price would be great.
especially on sub sales unit. Actually now a lot of sub sales units are stuck d because people dont have enough cash for the DP.



QUOTE(bcpbeancounter @ Apr 6 2014, 12:27 AM)
Cool man...don angry. At least you are giving your opinion on why prop will down. Respect that although i may not agree. Don be like banana only know how to talk bad on people but never see her contribute any opinion, be it good or bad...eat banana...good for pang sai...rclxm9.gif
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i did not say property price will down, i am saying that economy will be down, as China and US is going to tighten and we will be waiting for who to buy our properties ? these few years' growth is all on local consumption.
There is no room for more debt unless the policy becomes 2 generation loan policy.

deep pocket buyers all waiting with cash at the bottom. whoever wanna throw cheaply, lets say 20% to 30% below market they will sapu only.

my dad's friend is very loaded, at anytime u can find 30% below market and need cash he can give you the cash within a day.



QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 6 2014, 12:50 AM)
I am more of a practical person. Greece, spain, euro crisis, sub prime all give a sense of emergencies to malaysia market before. But eventually nothing happen. This time china. Are you going to believe it would affect us differently from last time ? If you are affected by the news and over read the effect, you will never take action. At any point in time, there are bad news and good news. The difference between DDD and UUU is that DDD always over read and amplify the bad news. I will take it as just another piece of news. Unless ah jib introduce rpgt 30% for all the years then i will turn DDD

DDD always wait for all the traffic lights to turn green before they move. I will face the traffic lights one at a time. So what it turns red later in front ? There is always a way around red lights. The worse is to wait for it to turn green again

Bearbear if you still wait for all the traffic lights to turn green, you will never buy a property. Because at any point in time, there will be traffic lights somewhere which is red
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you can buy to stay, keep some to rent, but if bad economy, people lose jobs, can you handle zero rental income ?
worst still will be flippers case.

anyway, i keep some cash just in case, either share market crash or property cash can buy things cheaply. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 6 2014, 01:10 AM)
Haiya.. I m too.. look at the prices.. you dont seem to step into the shoes of targeted property buyers.. since you are rich.. limit urself to have have a median salary of makaysian working class.. then with the money try look around any units for these ppl?

change that configuration for a middle class ..see any properties are worthy to grab?
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Bbw u said that u can afford at current price and future up price but just dont want to buy. What median salary are u talking? If malaysians cant afford a BMW, then dont buy BMW buy proton.

Yesterday i wassap wit my specialist doctor fren. We lost contact for 2 yrs but i manage to track him and had a long chat. He bought bubgalow in rawang worth 1m and been staying there for 7 months wit family. He sold his previous condo and shared wit wife make join loan for the house. Btw, wife also specialist doctor. I asked any more bungalow left sold out. Bought straight from developer, kota emerald i think d place. He said recently somebody offered 1.5m for d house but he is not selling.

These sepcialist doctors still in the early 30s. My point all these while, if u dont want to buy becuase u cant afford it then fine, other people who have money will buy it.

BBW, dont whine about affordability if u can afford it.
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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Apr 6 2014, 08:34 AM)
Bbw u said that u can afford at current price and future up price but just dont want to buy. What median salary are u talking? If malaysians cant afford a BMW, then dont buy BMW buy proton.

Yesterday i wassap wit my specialist doctor fren. We lost contact for 2 yrs but i manage to track him and had a long chat. He bought bubgalow in rawang worth 1m and been staying there for 7 months wit family. He sold his previous condo and shared wit wife make join loan for the house. Btw, wife also specialist doctor. I asked any more bungalow left sold out. Bought straight from developer, kota emerald i think d place. He said recently somebody offered 1.5m for d house but he is not selling.

These sepcialist doctors still in the early 30s. My point all these while, if u dont want to buy becuase u cant afford it then fine, other people who have money will buy it.

BBW, dont whine about affordability if u can afford it.
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U claimed ur good self can afford a car easily yet u don't wanna buy a car coz y think Malaysia car overpriced & bad RV.

So u whine about affordability of a car though u can afford one.

Or actually fully stretch aleady cannot afford one as loan limit up...wakakaka

Meludah ke langit lagi oi. kantoi..lol
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Apr 6 2014, 09:02 AM)
U claimed ur good self can afford a car easily yet u don't wanna buy a car coz y think Malaysia car overpriced & bad RV.

So u whine about affordability of a car though u can afford one.

Or actually fully stretch aleady cannot afford one as loan limit up...wakakaka

Meludah ke langit lagi oi. kantoi..lol
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Car price is not a bubble, it is a robbery! Try breaking down the price into various components.
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Apr 6 2014, 09:02 AM)
U claimed ur good self can afford a car easily yet u don't wanna buy a car coz y think Malaysia car overpriced & bad RV.

So u whine about affordability of a car though u can afford one.

Or actually fully stretch aleady cannot afford one as loan limit up...wakakaka

Meludah ke langit lagi oi. kantoi..lol
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Ape ni mr jolok. Gile ke? I am not alone on whining the car price in malaysia, everybody is. Even the rich.

So u dont think that car price in malaysia is overpice? Car price in malaysia is just right, just nice no bubble? No wonder la ur mentality makes u keep missing the boat.

Fyi everybody i talked too whether BN supporter, pakatan supporter, UUU, DDD all will agree wit me that cars are overprice except for mr jolok. So proven that cars are overprice it is very smart of me not to buy one buy bought two amayas instead.

And whats ur good fren banana like to say? I just finish u. Hey why ur good fren banana dont want to say that anymore?


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And jolokia everybody agree that cars are overprice but not everybody agrees that properties are overprice. I dont agree that property are overprice right now.

Paham tak mr jolok? Paham? X paham? Patutlaa miss the boat.
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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Apr 6 2014, 09:18 AM)
and nothing to contribute but just wanna taruh for people going against your opinions ??

please buy more house, buy n hold more, i hope the house price can double in another 2 years......please la go up !!!
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Price will remain high n turtle up, I know how to invest n spend my money, what to buy n where to buy, of course u can sit sideline n keep waiting, read more bad news n get haunted, see what will u get after 1, 2 or 3 years later
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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Apr 6 2014, 09:16 AM)
And jolokia everybody agree that cars are overprice but not everybody agrees that properties are overprice. I dont agree that property are overprice right now.

Paham tak mr jolok? Paham? X paham? Patutlaa miss the boat.
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PJ houses are on par with Chicago housing price d.
and we earn MYR compared to USD ??

my cousin settled down in Canada bought their landed outside Vancouver Suburb, if converted about RM 800k,
but their combined household income is more than RM 20k.

here if earn RM 20k buy RM 1.5mil house d laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Wiredx @ Apr 6 2014, 08:17 AM)
Put it this way the more ppl default on cc and car hp the smaller the housing market will be.
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once they started to default cc and car loans, their ccris is completely destroyed, those haven't purchased, good luck. those who had purchased left hanging, day pass day see can service loans or not..

the potential pool of market buyers to absord flipped price are these group of ppl.. bad debt, bad ccris... some qualified but ccris koyak.. some qualified over stretch already.. some qualified deposit not enough (that why DIBS now changed to DIBR, show market buying force are low and targeting middle income group), those cannot qualified, those qualified but feels not money worth and unnecessary burden..

rich ppl will not care about how the market goes, they like it they jut buy.. convince me that all vacant but sold units are bought by rich and targeting back rich or keep to rot..


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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 6 2014, 09:27 AM)
once they started to default cc and car loans, their ccris is completely destroyed, those haven't purchased, good luck. those who had purchased left hanging, day pass day see can service loans or not..

the potential pool of market buyers to absord flipped price are these group of ppl.. bad debt, bad ccris... some qualified but ccris koyak.. some qualified over stretch already.. some qualified deposit not enough (that why DIBS now changed to DIBR, show market buying force are low and targeting middle income group), those cannot qualified, those qualified but feels not money worth and unnecessary burden..

rich ppl will not care about how the market goes, they like it they jut buy.. convince me that all vacant but sold units are bought by rich and targeting back rich or keep to rot..
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rich people buy land to keep la. they dunt buy vacant units.

once the return is not there (ROI not good), people dunt bother to buy.

hardcore buyers always assume that buyers will remain as buyers.

my grandmother area at Padang Serai, Kedah price also double within this 3 years and most of the previous shoplot projects turned into swiftlet rearing shoplot. RM 400k cant even collect 1.4k of rent. previously the shoplot was selling at RM 220k.
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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Apr 6 2014, 09:21 AM)
Price will remain high n turtle up, I know how to invest n spend my money, what to buy n where to buy, of course u can sit sideline n keep waiting, read more bad news n get haunted, see what will u get after 1, 2 or 3 years later
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i have always treated ur comments serious and constructive.. i saw the turtling up effect for a quite a number of days .. same views as per BT times i.e stagnant and slowly moving up...

so, the market has no boost force anymore? the turtling up are to cover loan serviced? so the prices now are of the peak as of now?

te turtling up effect will fail in time,

exp:

Palm walk 3

2011:550k developers,
2013: flipping 750k
no one buy turtling effect come into play , monthly increase 5k t0 10k

so 2014: 12 months ( turtling effect)
[12 X 5k] or [12 x10k]

60k or 120k increase

2015: 810k or 870k?
2016: 860k or 990k

2years holding units are getting old.. new launches everywhere that price is not realistic, even 2 years down the road property prices will not reach that high even developers launches..
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Apr 6 2014, 09:27 AM)
When I told my friends (recond car seller) car prices is high in Malaysia, he told me "Who said ? U see so many people drive Benz,  BMW,  Alphard,  Posh on our road what !" if overpriced we wouldn't see those on the road isn't it..Muahahahha

U wanna flip & rent ur 2 little Amaya in "Super Prime Area @ Cheras" high price yet U want cheap car price. ..hahaha

But I forgive u lah ! Merana pek cam sardin dalam tin tiap hari kesian, merana tu bang,  Merana. ..ish ish ...wakakaka
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Hey i said previously, Even when cars are overpriced people are still buying so nowhere can property price crashes. Dont ask ur fren laa. Ask people here in lowyat forum theg can tell u. Unless they die die die wanna win debate one and willing to say that cars are not overpriced in malaysia.

So what? U want to criticize me for not buying a car Rooney? Again? When u told ur frens? When? Just now? After u read my comments u ask ur fren is it? Piidah rooney.

Change ur nick again la. Ur an embarrassment to the DDD community.


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Wah so heated exchange here.

Calm down lah everyone...
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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Apr 6 2014, 09:43 AM)
Hey i said previously, Even when cars are overpriced people are still buying so nowhere can property price crashes. Dont ask ur fren laa. Ask people here in lowyat forum theg can tell u. Unless they die die die wanna win debate one and willing to say that cars are not overpriced in malaysia.

So what? U want to criticize me for not buying a car Rooney? Again? When u told ur frens? When? Just now? After u read my comments u ask ur fren is it? Piidah rooney.

Change ur nick again la. Ur an embarrassment to the DDD community.
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amaya, car really got overpriced meh? the majority market are targetting or bought protons cars, perodua cars..

mostly protons cars and protons cars are within 35k to 60k (new saga & myvi & viva) -- no need to deny
or higher class a bit ( vios, honda, voks)

majority are within 100k and below.. got overpriced meh? housing loans different 750k man..

so bank safe guards on approval rates on hire purchase rates and credit cards rates are not that stringent that y many defaulters.. hosing also not so different too.. safeguards does not work at all..

amaya knows better, check with credit retail department or debt recovery, last time all banks do repo work.. untill it was too many and no point of proceeding as debt cannot be collected back at all wasting cost.. banks know credit payments are bad so bad they engage "license yet friendly debt collectors".
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 6 2014, 09:41 AM)
i have always treated ur comments serious and constructive.. i saw the turtling up effect for a quite a number of days  .. same views as per BT times i.e stagnant and slowly moving up...

so, the market has no boost force anymore? the turtling up are to cover loan serviced? so the prices now are of the peak as of now?

te turtling up effect will fail in time,

exp:

Palm walk 3

2011:550k developers,
2013: flipping 750k
no one buy turtling effect come into play , monthly increase 5k t0 10k

so 2014: 12 months ( turtling effect)
[12 X 5k] or [12 x10k]

60k or 120k increase

2015: 810k or 870k?
2016: 860k or 990k

2years holding units are getting old.. new launches everywhere that price is not realistic, even 2 years down the road property prices will not reach that high even developers launches..
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Why u always keep the kindergarten knowledge to assume everyone buy for investment n flip??
Who the hell teach u that second buyer of Palm walk 3 can still flip from 750k to 900k or more? Do u understand property n property investment?
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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Apr 6 2014, 09:43 AM)
Hey i said previously, Even when cars are overpriced people are still buying so nowhere can property price crashes. Dont ask ur fren laa. Ask people here in lowyat forum theg can tell u. Unless they die die die wanna win debate one and willing to say that cars are not overpriced in malaysia.

So what? U want to criticize me for not buying a car Rooney? Again? When u told ur frens? When? Just now? After u read my comments u ask ur fren is it? Piidah rooney.

Change ur nick again la. Ur an embarrassment to the DDD community.
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car price does not depend on us, The car itself is overprice but that is due to government taxation and import duty policy. It is not the car distributor purposely increase the price of the car,they don't want to have a reduced profit margin anyway.

People still buy it thinking that they don't have a choice. People for example want a better and safer car that's why they buy cars even though it is priced higher compared to US or UK.

As for housing price, if everybody thinking it is overprice, surely there will be not much sales and some of the existing property flippers will start feeling the heat and sell some below market price,just to get some money back or to limit their loss.

It is not wise to compare house and car, it works differently. At least we all know we have no power in determining the price of car, it is not overprice in a sense that the high price is attributed by taxation and import duty policy of our government.

I myself do not over commit in property market and just use 10% of our household income for the monthly payment to pay for a condo so me and my wife at least have a place to stay for the time being.

I don't say that property market will go down, but i don't say it will go up either. The most important thing here is not to over commit. As for me, either the house price is going up or down, at least I have a place to stay. Regardless of what is going to happen in the future

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Why u always keep the kindergarten knowledge to assume everyone buy for investment n flip??
Who the hell teach u that second buyer of Palm walk 3 can still flip from 750k to 900k or more? Do u understand property n property investment?
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wow, a positive confirmation of property will stop at intial boost..

we all know that properties cannot shoot up after initial boost, so turtling effect will also fail miserably..

you gotta sometimes pretend to be stupid to show the obvious.. now we gotta you.. potential buyers are fed with these informations, BBB campers like says anything is possible..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 6 2014, 09:50 AM)
amaya, car really got overpriced meh? the majority market are targetting or bought protons cars, perodua cars..

mostly protons cars and protons  cars are within 35k to 60k (new saga & myvi & viva) -- no need to deny
or higher class a bit ( vios, honda, voks)

majority are within 100k and below.. got overpriced meh? housing loans different 750k man..

so bank safe guards on approval rates on hire purchase rates and credit cards rates are not that stringent that y many defaulters.. hosing also not so different too.. safeguards does not work at all..

amaya knows better, check with credit retail department or debt recovery, last time all banks do repo work.. untill it was too many and no point of proceeding as debt cannot be collected back at all wasting cost.. banks know credit payments are bad so bad they engage "license yet friendly debt collectors".
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Omg bear bear. If u can whine that property are overprice and cars are not overprice i really dunno what to say lar.

So buy car 100k and depreciating not overpriced is it? Come on la bear bear.
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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Apr 6 2014, 09:55 AM)
Omg bear bear. If u can whine that property are overprice and cars are not overprice i really dunno what to say lar.

So buy car 100k and depreciating not overpriced is it? Come on la bear bear.
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even 100k are still addible, as one forumers highlighted, yes it is overpriced but it was not our call, it is the governments call on tax.. flipped properties are way higher and not addible and is the flippers call.. personal calls, agents calls.. that is why the price are messy and uncontrollable..


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wow, a positive confirmation of property will stop at intial boost..

we all know that properties cannot shoot up after initial boost, so turtling effect will also fail miserably..

you gotta sometimes pretend to be stupid to show the obvious.. now we gotta you.. potential buyers are fed with these informations, BBB campers like says anything is possible..
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Keep turtle up is enough to kill those people keep waiting n waiting, u have to understand this, go n buy one faster
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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Apr 6 2014, 09:54 AM)
car price does not depend on us, The car itself is overprice but that is due to government taxation and import duty policy. It is not the car distributor purposely increase the price of the car,they don't want to have a reduced profit margin anyway.

People still buy it thinking that they don't have a choice. People for example want a better and safer car that's why they buy cars even though it is priced higher compared to US or UK.

As for housing price, if everybody thinking it is overprice, surely there will be not much sales and some of the existing property flippers will start feeling the heat and sell some below market price,just to get some money back or to limit their loss.

It is not wise to compare house and car, it works differently. At least we all know we have no power in determining the price of car, it is not overprice in a sense that the high price is attributed by taxation and import duty policy of our government.
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See when u say we have no power to determine the price of cars, but we have power to determine the price of properties? Tell u it is the other way around. Property increase is genuine demand and genuine cost. Cars maybe got genuine demand but have false cost.

If we all unite and all of us dont buy cars for a year, i guarantee u that the governement will get the message and price will go down. Fat chance of that happening because car price sales every year is increasing.

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 6 2014, 09:57 AM)
even 100k are still addible, as one forumers highlighted, yes it is overpriced but it was not our call, it is the governments call on tax.. flipped properties are way higher and not addible and is the flippers call.. personal calls, agents calls.. that is why the price are messy and uncontrollable..
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If u act the way with cars with the way u act wit property, proton will go down and the ap permit holders that want to sell their permits are finished.
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See when u say we have no power to determine the price of cars, but we have to determine the price of properties? Tell u it is the other way around. Property increase is genuine demand and genuine cost. Cars maybe got genuine demand but have false cost.

If we all unite and all of us dont buy cars for a year, i guarantee u that the governement will get the message and price will go down. Fat chance of that happening because car price sales every year is increasing.
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that will probably happens when the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. I certainly do not want to wait for that and jeopardize my family safety by buying sub standard car. 6-7 years ago ,I could not afford a safer car and stuck with a perodua which is not exactly a safe car. Are u saying i should wait for the price of cars to go down and I will only buy after that happens. Wow, your logic is certainly flawed.
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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Apr 6 2014, 10:07 AM)
that will probably happens when the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. I certainly do not want to wait for that and jeopardize my family safety by buying sub standard car. 6-7 years ago ,I  could not afford a safer car and stuck with a perodua which is not exactly a safe car. Are u saying i should wait for the price of cars to go down and I will only buy after that happens. Wow, your logic is certainly flawed.
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Nope i am just saying that i would rather buy a property rather than a car. That is my logic so it is not flawed. So ur logic is rather buy a car than rather buy a property for ur family is it? I believe that logic is flawed.
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Nope i am just saying that i would rather buy a property rather than a car. That is my logic so it is not flawed. So ur logic is rather buy a car than rather buy a property for ur family is it? I believe that logic is flawed.
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errr, you are assuming that I don't buy a house. Yes you are correct in a way as I only bought a condo 3 years ago. However I don't over commit and spend only 10% of our combined income for this condo. Regardless price is going up or down, I still have a place to stay and I am properly protected in a case even that the BLR increase 2 fold from current level, even though that is unlikely to happen. I am more consevative type of person, I won't go buying anything without having enough cash to pay for the installment for at least 4-5 years.
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Asked one mapex booth.

Buz very bad....they add extra one year free maintenance compare early buyer. But until now still no booking confirm. No price increase. tongue.gif see told you so!

investor just collecting the free goodie bags... and pretend interested.....but lesser compare last round.

i confirmed sales very bad lio. thumbup.gif

I go yum cha as so few ppl. A bit uncomfortable all booth bag me to go to thier booth.

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errr, you are assuming that I don't buy a house. Yes you are correct in a way as I only bought a condo 3 years ago. However I don't over commit and spend only 10% of our combined income for this condo. Regardless price is going up or down, I still have a place to stay and I am properly protected in a case even that the BLR increase 2 fold from current level, even though that is unlikely to happen. I am more consevative type of person, I won't go buying anything without having enough cash to pay for the installment for at least 4-5 years.
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Bro read properly. I dont assume anything. U dont think i know that u got a house? The way u argued i know u got a house.

My statement is this and i repeat.

I rather buy a house than a car. And i told that jolok guy, even when cars are overprice people are still buying so what chance that property will crash when people are still buying expensive cars? And already excepted that cars are forever going to be xpensive. Thats it.
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Bro read properly. I dont assume anything. U dont think i know that u got a house? The way u argued i know u got a house.

My statement is this and i repeat.

I rather buy a house than a car. And i told that jolok guy, even when cars are overprice people are still buying so what chance that property will crash when people are still buying expensive cars? And already excepted that cars are forever going to be xpensive. Thats it.
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Ok. i get you now. sorry for the misunderstanding.
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If market demand is strong, phase 1 or 80% units sold out, why developers need to spend $ at mapex?

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If market demand is strong, phase 1 or 80% units sold out, why developers need to spend $ at mapex?
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True oso. Best is no need ads. thumbup.gif
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or maybe they just want to sell it faster before the property market slumps or stagnating.
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If market demand is strong, phase 1 or 80% units sold out, why developers need to spend $ at mapex?
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If I don't see developer booth in an Exhibit..... I would be wondering....... is the developer so poor until can't even afford a booth..... hmm.gif hmm.gif

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 6 2014, 01:10 AM)
Haiya.. I m too.. look at the prices.. you dont seem to step into the shoes of targeted property buyers.. since you are rich.. limit urself to have have a median salary of makaysian working class.. then with the money try look around any units for these ppl?

change that configuration for a middle class ..see any properties are worthy to grab?
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Everybody got to start somewhere. When I was still working for other people, I bought my first property worth RM180k. It has experienced 1998 and 2008 downturn. It is worth RM900k now. Even if it drops to RM400k, I am still positive. No more loan, the rental every month gives me positive cashflow.

RM180k 20+ years ago is a lot of money then. Same as those DSL RM900k looks like a lot of money now. But 20+ years later in 2034, it may be worth RM3.5m. Yes, it may drop to RM700k sometime (if crash really happens), but eventually the value will catch up again. You are a normal human being. You will never buy at the bottom and sell at the top.

There are many properties of different budget available. RM100k also got. If rental can give you RM500 a month, the rental yield is already 6%. So what if the property goes down to RM80k ? Your rental is still RM500.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 6 2014, 12:26 AM)
The number of NPL to send auction price low won't be high especially if large quantity appear together.

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Fair comment which could be right. But I think those flippers you mentioned are few in numbers. Let's see if that happens

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When these were happening,  Malaysian economy was not attached to them strongly nor was in bubble. After property market bubble fueled by qe, is more vulnerable to external factors.

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America and EU was 1 of our largest partner then. They still are. So, now EU and USA is recovering, we will be benefiting. Hopefully it is offset the china economy slowdown. Bear in mind china is just slowing down (still grow by 7% !)
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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Apr 6 2014, 08:30 AM)
ya, maybe wont drop so much, lets say roll back 2 years price would be great.
especially on sub sales unit. Actually now a lot of sub sales units are stuck d because people dont have enough cash for the DP.

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I don't think price will be down, let alone substantially. I think only when our economy is down, people lose job, then property market will be down. But I think economy doesn't seem to be heading south anytime soon. As long as people keep their job they will have holding power
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If u believe, you are sending a bungalow. If u hv doubt, u are burning paper only ! It is all just fasinating to angmo only.
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Since I can afford, better wrong then doing nothing. What if the bungalow really can reach there ? I am just hedging the possibilities

The opposite of property investment for DDD. DDD is betting bubble will burst. So they don't buy now. What if bubble never burst ?


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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 6 2014, 11:25 AM)
If market demand is strong, phase 1 or 80% units sold out, why developers need to spend $ at mapex?
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Earning big buck liao u still care for so little money meh? Not continuing matketing how to sustain ur biz?
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If market demand is strong, phase 1 or 80% units sold out, why developers need to spend $ at mapex?
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It is about market awareness. To build up brand image. All businessmen hope to do more business in the future. You do not advertise only when business is down. Advertisement is a long term investment. That why some developer advertise full page full colour to thank their customers support after they have fully sold. They hope the next phase will get the same response as well
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 6 2014, 12:18 PM)
It is about market awareness. To build up brand image. All businessmen hope to do more business in the future. You do not advertise only when business is down. Advertisement is a long term investment. That why some developer advertise full page full colour to thank their customers support after they have fully sold. They hope the next phase will get the same response as well
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Dun waste time to answer, if developer dun participate in exhibition, they also has something to say.
When you decide not to buy, you hv thousand of excuses laugh.gif

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If market demand is strong, phase 1 or 80% units sold out, why developers need to spend $ at mapex?
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If u have enough experience or invest frequently, don't think u will ask this question again
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Dun waste time to answer, if developer dun participate in exhibition, they also has something to say.
When you decide not to buy, you hv thousand of excuses  laugh.gif
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If u have enough experience or invest frequently, don't think u will ask this question again
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With such statement I can conclude u don't work in property development line.
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I work with property developer.

Any project transaction is good. We will halt all the advertising action. Even stop free legal fees too.



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QUOTE(jolokia @ Apr 6 2014, 01:29 PM)
With such statement I can conclude u don't work in property development line.
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Already untung banyak, u guys still talk about theory
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I work with property developer.

Any project transaction is good. We will halt all the advertising action. Even stop free legal fees too.
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Yes, that's right.
The question is your developer company selling cheap or not??
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It is about market awareness. To build up brand image. All businessmen hope to do more business in the future. You do not advertise only when business is down. Advertisement is a long term investment. That why some developer advertise full page full colour to thank their customers support after they have fully sold. They hope the next phase will get the same response as well
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All marketing awareness........We set target sales........If no target............ We will not getting any budget for the marketing activities....meaning no marketing awareness.


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Yes, that's right.
The question is your developer company selling cheap or not??
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I moved from High End MK's developer to Subang's GRR developer........

Now with developer building mall .... shop lot....... hotel and low cost apartment.

>10 years

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I moved from High End MK's developer to Subang's GRR developer........

Now with developer building mall .... shop lot....... hotel and low cost apartment.

>10 years
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U have good experience
Btw, we understand market is slowing down but any developer offer cheap price? Including your existing n ex developer.
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It is about market awareness. To build up brand image. All businessmen hope to do more business in the future. You do not advertise only when business is down. Advertisement is a long term investment. That why some developer advertise full page full colour to thank their customers support after they have fully sold. They hope the next phase will get the same response as well
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Dun waste time to answer, if developer dun participate in exhibition, they also has something to say.
When you decide not to buy, you hv thousand of excuses  laugh.gif
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I work with property developer.

Any project transaction is good. We will halt all the advertising action. Even stop free legal fees too.
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All marketing awareness........We set target sales........If no target............ We will not getting any budget for the marketing activities....meaning  no marketing awareness.
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All marketing awareness........We set target sales........If no target............ We will not getting any budget for the marketing activities....meaning  no marketing awareness.
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Different company different strategy. For marketing, there is no correct or wrong way to do it. For a well known developer they even advertise on TV last time. Not on specific project but company as a whole. For another well known project in Mount Kiara, they even have a billboard thanking customer support for a fully sold project. They are advertising for their future projects. Of course, there are many developers who want to market unsold projects in exhibition too.
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Dun waste time to answer, if developer dun participate in exhibition, they also has something to say.
When you decide not to buy, you hv thousand of excuses  laugh.gif
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True. When one has formed a belief, he will interpret everything in accordance to the belief. Not objective anymore. For extreme DDD, everything he sees points to the direction of big crash. Even a car loan tightening measure can give them big hope tongue.gif They can't bear to accept that their decision not to buy property 5-6 years ago was a mistake. And their ego prevented them from reversing their wrong decision
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U have good experience
Btw, we understand market is slowing down but any developer offer cheap price? Including your existing n ex developer.
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Let me answet for them sure got offer at cheap price one..

Wait they all reply.. if they say no discounts mean they mark up.. simple..

btw your turtling effect .. flipped properties rarely can get 90% loan margin.. like palm walk 3 750k.. so if turtle up sumore d price.. maybe can get 65% or 70%..

if that was the loan margin.. you need to park 200k to 300k cash man..for a dsl.. for rich ppl semi d or bunglow 200k to 300k no problem.. products like service apartment.. condos.. townhouse and dsl are targetted at working classes..

therefore turtling price kills us.. it also kill you in between .. u cant offload.. and property getting old

and there will be new launches.. with lower or same price.. so where potential buyers go?
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 6 2014, 03:56 PM)
True. When one has formed a belief, he will interpret everything in accordance to the belief. Not objective anymore. For extreme DDD, everything he sees points to the direction of big crash. Even a car loan tightening measure can give them big hope  tongue.gif  They can't bear to accept that their decision not to buy property 5-6 years ago was a mistake. And their ego prevented them from reversing their wrong decision
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Actually it seems you have belief that market will go up.. as expected quoting examples of 170k which now become 900k.. well and good..

there should be no more hesitation just shoot all the bullets you have.. since property alwayls up..

if you really believe 5 to 6 years market ago still there.. then shoot maximum.. 5 to 6 years from now I.e 2020 or 2021 you are multi milionare already if 170k goes upto 900k expected increase is there..


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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 6 2014, 04:01 PM)
Let me answet for them sure got offer at cheap price one..

Wait they all reply.. if they say no discounts mean they mark up.. simple..

btw your turtling effect .. flipped properties rarely can get 90% loan margin.. like palm walk 3 750k.. so if turtle up sumore d price.. maybe can get 65% or 70%..

if that was the loan margin.. you need to park 200k to 300k cash man..for a dsl.. for rich ppl semi d or bunglow 200k to 300k no problem.. products like service apartment.. condos.. townhouse and dsl are targetted at working classes..

therefore turtling price kills us.. it also kill you in between .. u cant offload.. and property getting old

and there will be new launches.. with lower or same price.. so where potential buyers go?
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Boss actually I dun c old props selling or asking at the original price 30yrs ago. A vely old shop eg. Pj state 4 storeys corner shop, owner bot subsale in 2010 3.8mil now resell at 6.5mil. Guess what, it was only 400k back in late 70s. So I'm kinda lost when u mentioned the property getting old part.
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Actually it seems you have belief that market will go up.. as expected quoting examples of 170k which now become 900k.. well and good..

there should be no more hesitation just shoot all the bullets you have.. since property alwayls up..

if you really believe 5 to 6 years market ago still there.. then shoot maximum.. 5 to 6 years from now I.e 2020 or 2021 you are multi milionare already if 170k goes upto 900k expected increase is there..
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Boss it's kinda high risk to even buy in 4th Q 2015 if u dun have confidence. Ppl do beta with great confidence.
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Boss actually I dun c old props selling or asking at the original price 30yrs ago. A vely old shop eg. Pj state 4 storeys corner shop, owner bot subsale in 2010 3.8mil now resell at 6.5mil. Guess what, it was only 400k back in late 70s. So I'm kinda lost when u mentioned the property getting old part.
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Thats is good late 70s is almost 30 years from now.. of course justified for such increase.. these dudes expecting the same upon VP... 2 years time got logic?

hello your old property price vs new shop price is not so far.. given the trends nowadays.. safery features and matket competativeness.. you will have to agree with me that new properties pose threads to old properties..
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Boss it's kinda high risk to even buy in 4th Q 2015 if u dun have confidence. Ppl do beta with great confidence.
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U see property prices going few folds before 2016? I can see vacant units are increasing few folds..
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Actually it seems you have belief that market will go up.. as expected quoting examples of 170k which now become 900k.. well and good..

there should be no more hesitation just shoot all the bullets you have.. since property alwayls up..

if you really believe 5 to 6 years market ago still there.. then shoot maximum.. 5 to 6 years from now I.e 2020 or 2021 you are multi milionare already if 170k goes upto 900k expected increase is there..
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Yes I think the property will continue to go up, but not at the same pace as the last few years. The current environment is conducive for property investment. Unless Ah Jib introduce new drastic measures, then I will become DDD. I am opportunist I will not play play with my own money. But my source in MOF told me they have no such plan. They will rely on pr1ma only because of pressure from property developer who are "own inner circle people"

I have been buying property almost every year. Stopped to "wait and see" since budget 2014. Just now went to see a tenanted apartment in shah alam. Good prospect 4.5%+ return. But owner refuse to budge even RM1k. I am prepared to grab it at 4.5% return
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Thats is good late 70s is almost 30 years from now.. of course justified for such increase.. these dudes expecting the same upon VP... 2 years time got logic?

hello your old property price vs new shop price is not so far.. given the trends nowadays.. safery features and matket competativeness.. you will have to agree with me that new properties pose threads to old properties..
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Boss when u mention old prop, how old is old har???
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U see property prices going few folds before 2016? I can see vacant units are increasing few folds..
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Why do I c few folds in props by 2016??? Few folds is few hundred % le. U think can achieve??? If u dun think it's achievable why u put words here n there har???

Anw y not buy me the kopi u owe me n let's chat la. Tired to type la.

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Yes I think the property will continue to go up, but not at the same pace as the last few years. The current environment is conducive for property investment. Unless Ah Jib introduce new drastic measures, then I will become DDD. I am opportunist I will not play play with my own money. But my source in MOF told me they have no such plan. They will rely on pr1ma only because of pressure from property developer who are "own inner circle people"

I have been buying property almost every year. Stopped to "wait and see" since budget 2014. Just now went to see a tenanted apartment in shah alam. Good prospect 4.5%+ return. But owner refuse to budge even RM1k. I am prepared to grab it at 4.5% return
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Thank you to acknowledge that landscape of property investment has changed.. you are right.. in the past when investors were not so rampant and absence of dibs the risk is low.. even then bkt beruntung falls..

now risk is so high if you choose thr wrong property.. especially overpriced ones.. outskirt onesd confirm waiting to die.. MKH..SP SETIA.. SOUTHVILLE projects.. seremban too UM land projects
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Boss when u mention old prop, how old is old har???
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I admit cosmectically.. old prop can forget about vs new shops.. look at their features.. those are srlling points..

how to compete old shops.. customer also reject old malls.. like sg wang.. all kinna go nia..
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I admit cosmectically.. old prop can forget about vs new shops.. look at their features.. those are srlling points..

how to compete old shops.. customer also reject old malls.. like sg wang.. all kinna go nia..
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Icic but I still find no answer to the asking price for telawi bangsar. The unit I offered to owner at 5.8m in 2012, owner not selling. Offered again in 2013 6.5m, owner oso not selling. Last wk agent called to c if I'm willing to take it with 10m. Kns. I told agent go tfk at road side this time.

So ur definition of old props is quite blur n falls in between black n white, grey area wo. So how exactly is a prop to b called old har.
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Thank you to acknowledge that landscape of property investment has changed.. you are right.. in the past when investors were not so rampant and absence of dibs the risk is low.. even then bkt beruntung falls..

now risk is so high if you choose thr wrong property.. especially overpriced ones.. outskirt onesd confirm waiting to die.. MKH..SP SETIA.. SOUTHVILLE projects.. seremban too UM land projects
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Business environment changes all the time. Like the saying goes "the only constant is change". Don't hold on to 1 belief for years. Change as the environment changes

To expect price to come down, even from the outskirt like kajang semenyih, rawang bangi seremban, our economy has to come down. When people lose job, the market will fall. If people's job is secured, prices will hold. My simple micro thinking
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 6 2014, 04:01 PM)
Let me answet for them sure got offer at cheap price one..

Wait they all reply.. if they say no discounts mean they mark up.. simple..

btw your turtling effect .. flipped properties rarely can get 90% loan margin.. like palm walk 3 750k.. so if turtle up sumore d price.. maybe can get 65% or 70%..

if that was the loan margin.. you need to park 200k to 300k cash man..for a dsl.. for rich ppl semi d or bunglow 200k to 300k no problem.. products like service apartment.. condos.. townhouse and dsl are targetted at working classes..

therefore turtling price kills us.. it also kill you in between .. u cant offload.. and property getting old

and there will be new launches.. with lower or same price.. so where potential buyers go?
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bear bear u paham keh tak paham!!!
What flipped properties rarely to get 90%??? Do u really know who entitle for 90%? Who entitle for 70%?
Again, why in your mindset, always thought only property be able to flip can survive! Property can't flip means can't buy!!
With the current RPGT 30% for 3 years, flip your head la....

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bear bear u paham keh tak paham!!!
What flipped properties rarely to get 90%??? Do u really know who entitle for 90%? Who entitle for 70%?
Again, why in your mindset, always thought only property be able to flip can survive! Property can't flip means can't buy!!
With the current RPGT 30% for 3 years, flip your head la....
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tailou.. i am saying buying a flipped property pose problems to buyers.. like it or not flipped property cannot get 90% loan.. thus making it more likely than not potential buyers to fork out a big sum as DP say like 20% or 25% or more...

so, with price turtling up slowly, i.e adding 5 k or 10k to the flipped price, is this making the bank valuation further? by you turtling up the price? means otential buyers need to fork more DP ..

with competitive market and upcoming new launches, the said turtled up properties price is higher or equal with new launches..

that is the consideration running through most working class (i.e the ones you targeting) in the market..

wait, we back to square one that we are asking you not to buy?

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 6 2014, 06:06 PM)
tailou.. i am saying buying a flipped property pose problems to buyers.. like it or not flipped property cannot get 90% loan.. thus making it more likely than not potential buyers to fork out a big sum as DP say like 20% or 25% or more...

so, with price turtling up slowly, i.e adding 5 k or 10k to the flipped price, is this making the bank valuation further? by you turtling up the price? means otential buyers need to fork more DP ..

with competitive market and upcoming new launches, the said turtled up properties price is higher or equal with new launches..

that is the consideration running through most working class (i.e the ones you targeting) in the market..

wait, we back to square one that we are asking you not to buy?
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U thought those subsale buyer @750k are all flipper??? When they apply bank loan, bank will ask them "are you flipper"?, if yes bank will only give 75-80% margin although the borrower is entitle to get 90%? If they say "no I'm DDD camp to buy for own stay", bank will give 90% margin???


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Btw, are u targeting palm walk 3 @ 750k??
I would suggest u to consider Desa Budiman which selling 800k, 24 x 75'. Palm walk only 20' width.
It just next to palm walk, better design n facade, your sai Lou me bought one from developer in mid 2010, 465k only, flipped already with 7xx k in year 2013
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U thought those subsale buyer @750k are all flipper??? When they apply bank loan, bank will ask them "are you flipper"?, if yes bank will only give 75-80% margin although the borrower is entitle to get 90%? If they say "no I'm DDD camp to buy for own stay", bank will give 90% margin???
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i know the rules on first house second house and goes on and the loans for them..

the reason because valuation for subsales buyers cannot reach 90%or worse is because the property cannot hit that value on 2 years or more at that stage..

this has only to do with the property valuation not the person borrowing the loan (this factor has already deemed to meet the requirement).. well another good point, this reduced back to issue of affordability di..

this creates a hurdle for potential buyers as they will need to garner more than DP..
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 6 2014, 12:50 AM)
I am more of a practical person. Greece, spain, euro crisis, sub prime all give a sense of emergencies to malaysia market before. But eventually nothing happen. This time china. Are you going to believe it would affect us differently from last time ? If you are affected by the news and over read the effect, you will never take action. At any point in time, there are bad news and good news. The difference between DDD and UUU is that DDD always over read and amplify the bad news. I will take it as just another piece of news. Unless ah jib introduce rpgt 30% for all the years then i will turn DDD
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America and EU was 1 of our largest partner then. They still are. So, now EU and USA is recovering, we will be benefiting. Hopefully it is offset the china economy slowdown. Bear in mind china is just slowing down (still grow by 7% !)
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When EU and US economy was down in 2008 to 2012, property price in kv was going up i.e. negatively correlated. So when EU and US economy is going up, property price in kv become positively correlated?

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When EU and US economy was down in 2008 to 2012, property price in kv was going up i.e. negatively correlated. So when EU and US economy is going up, property price in kv become positively correlated?
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It just means we are resilient. Nothing to do with correlation. In fact klci record high as dow jones. U want to say that klci is high property is going down?

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When EU and US economy was down in 2008 to 2012, property price in kv was going up i.e. negatively correlated. So when EU and US economy is going up, property price in kv become positively correlated?
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As I said, give any situation to a DDD and all they can think of is market crash tongue.gif

Malaysia still manage to register economic growth despite Euro and subprime crisis. When Euro and USA is recovering now malaysia should be better off.

But to match DDD's belief, something has to be justified. So, inverse relationship is proposed rclxms.gif
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This thread still talk about the same issues, up x3 or down x3, just change the new title when the old title are closed by admin.


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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Apr 6 2014, 06:36 PM)
Btw, are u targeting palm walk 3 @ 750k??
I would suggest u to consider Desa Budiman which selling 800k, 24 x 75'. Palm walk only 20' width.
It just next to palm walk, better design n facade, your sai Lou me bought one from developer in mid 2010, 465k only, flipped already with 7xx k in year 2013
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Congrat taiko.. really good..
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Congrat taiko.. really good..
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Boss after 2138 posts in less than 10 mths did u find sthg tat u can clap for urself???

Time to decide liao. No need sailang. Just do sthg u think is rite n get sthg u think u like. Remember cheap thg no gd gd thg no cheap. icon_rolleyes.gif

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hurdle?
why you never just let market decide for itself?

bank already sure do homework and let those eligible to apply loan..

So depending on valuation, maybe buyer really need to put more downpayment...well...if the buyer can afford, means really can buy lor...means is not flipper...

those who cannot afford, go find cheaper property with affordable downpayment....

end of the day... let the supply demand dictate the price...i don't think bank so stupid loan to those buyer who cannot to repay the loan...end of the day, it is still business...and sure bank calculate already....

why you always must say the price expensive and potential hurdle to buyer? in the end it is all about oneself affordability...if you earn peanuts, you want to stay at bungalow? sorry la....


QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 6 2014, 06:39 PM)
i know the rules on first house second house and goes on and the loans for them..

the reason because valuation for subsales buyers cannot reach 90%or worse is because the property cannot hit that value on 2 years or more at that stage..

this has only to do with the property valuation not the person borrowing the loan (this factor has already deemed to meet the requirement).. well another good point, this reduced back to issue of affordability di.. 

this creates a hurdle for potential buyers as they will need to garner more than DP..
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so what's the story now? still DDD?

i continue monitor price...i don't see price DDD also...


QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Apr 6 2014, 10:27 PM)
Boss after 2138 posts in less than 10 mths did u find sthg tat u can clap for urself???

Time to decide liao. No need sailang. Just do sthg u think is rite n get sthg u think u like. Remember cheap thg no gd gd thg no cheap.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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I m from Penang .....

New lauches is doing 8% rebate..... Some even 10% rebate... So, means u pay little or no deposit...

Does this indicate anything ? Price is still expensive than b4 though
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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Apr 6 2014, 10:40 PM)
I m from Penang .....

New lauches is doing 8% rebate..... Some even 10% rebate... So, means u pay little or no deposit...

Does this indicate anything ?  Price is still expensive than b4 though
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jack up the price and give rebate, then buyer dont need to put so much of DP
banks are tightening bank loans, now they deduct epf, car loan, all commitment then only get your net income.

so a lot of buyers wanna buy but dunt have the cash to pay for DP or banks reject their loans.
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so what's the story now? still DDD?

i continue monitor price...i don't see price DDD also...
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Hard to go down for gd props. Those down gao gao one I guess u n me oso nvr tot and ll nvr think of buying gua. My pov la. Those not too bad one ll hav gd responce even ex leader oso keep buying ma. Those superbly gd one ll c insiders wollap 1st. flex.gif

I foresee many wont sell if buyers come n tell tat bank valuation is low n they ll onli buy if vendor sell low. So time ll tell. Time ll nvr lie. Over the time its oso proven even ddd oso started or continue to pick up many props. Its gd to c tat. Even selling now oso making profit liao. So if those ddd din buy all tis while how to sell le. If its rugi who wanna sell when can hold wo. If put in market n its sold y say market down le. Unless selling at loss but malu nak tell la. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 6 2014, 04:24 PM)
Thats is good late 70s is almost 30 years from now.. of course justified for such increase.. these dudes expecting the same upon VP... 2 years time got logic?

hello your old property price vs new shop price is not so far.. given the trends nowadays.. safery features and matket competativeness.. you will have to agree with me that new properties pose threads to old properties..
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Second hand properties appreciate reason :
1) good location.
2) New properties is selling much more expensive (MAIN REASON)

Frankly , people that bought subsale, normally wan a lower price, new lauch too expensive...
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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Apr 6 2014, 10:36 PM)
hurdle?
why you never just let market decide for itself?

bank already sure do homework and let those eligible to apply loan..

So depending on valuation, maybe buyer really need to put more downpayment...well...if the buyer can afford, means really can buy lor...means is not flipper...

those who cannot afford, go find cheaper property with affordable downpayment....

end of the day... let the supply demand dictate the price...i don't think bank so stupid loan to those buyer who cannot to repay the loan...end of the day, it is still business...and sure bank calculate already....

why you always must say the price expensive and potential hurdle to buyer? in the end it is all about oneself affordability...if you earn peanuts, you want to stay at bungalow? sorry la....
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The same banks also approve credit cards and hire purchase too.. was there any defaulting.. answer is a lot... damm a lot...

your statement and showtime747 has expressly agreed that potential buyers are workers class.. the longer period of non offloading will be fatal..
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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Apr 6 2014, 10:48 PM)
jack up the price and give rebate, then buyer dont need to put so much of DP
banks are tightening bank loans, now they deduct epf, car loan, all commitment then only get your net income.

so a lot of buyers wanna buy but dunt have the cash to pay for DP or banks reject their loans.
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This means buyers out there are low end flippers or high end with many othet investment under their belt.. by reviving rebates tantamount to DIBS show investors are alot and flippers selling upon vp..

minimum moneu incurred is the best for them. Holding was not an option.. which area was it bukit mertajam? Juru? Or island? South bay there?
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CAKAP-CAKAPLAH ::: On the Internet, there are a camp called UUU and another camp called DDD. The UUU camp are optimistic about BBB wheareas the DDD camp are rather pessimistic hence SSS. Regardless of the jargons, industry experts and research houses (investment banks) believed that RPGT, DIBS, GST, etc have a somewhat cautious impact on the industry in the short to medium term. Many unrecognisable jargons are used in Property Market today but it really depends on how you interpret those jargons to your benefit.

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 6 2014, 11:12 PM)
This means buyers out there are low end flippers or high end with many othet investment under their belt.. by reviving rebates tantamount to DIBS show investors are alot and flippers selling upon vp..

minimum moneu incurred is the best for them. Holding was not an option.. which area was it bukit mertajam? Juru? Or island? South bay there?
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Bukit mertajam got, Island also got (Jelutong, balik pulau etc)...

From what I visited.

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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Apr 6 2014, 10:56 PM)
Second hand properties appreciate reason :
1) good location.
2) New properties is selling much more expensive (MAIN REASON)

Frankly , people that bought subsale, normally wan a lower price, new lauch too expensive...
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The second hand properties does not include newly vped properties with excessive price higher than new developer prices..

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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Apr 6 2014, 11:16 PM)
Bukit mertajam got, Island also got (Jelutong, balik pulau etc)...

From what I visited.
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Sure got laku bo these areas? Queensbay mall everyday also selling like cant finish especially high ends..south bay is coming up.. dsl at batu maung bought 4 years ago.. for 650k.. now bridge open 1.2 million.. siao.. where got value..

dun think penang prop are good.. either.. penang lang cant afford..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 6 2014, 11:24 PM)
Sure got laku bo these areas? Queensbay mall everyday also selling like cant finish especially high ends..south bay is coming up.. dsl at batu maung bought 4 years ago.. for 650k.. now bridge open 1.2 million.. siao.. where got value..

dun think penang prop are good.. either.. penang lang cant afford..
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Frankly, I can't afford cry.gif cry.gif

But, I think many penang Island people can afford... I also wonder why ??

Batu Maung, not so high price lo.... Around RM 1M ,can get liao, dsl...

the price is more expensive than KL. Rental is low like SHIT lo..

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It just means we are resilient. Nothing to do with correlation. In fact klci record high as dow jones. U want to say that klci is high property is going down?
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As I said, give any situation to a DDD and all they can think of is market crash  tongue.gif

Malaysia still manage to register economic growth despite Euro and subprime crisis. When Euro and USA is recovering now malaysia should be better off.

But to match DDD's belief, something has to be justified. So, inverse relationship is proposed  rclxms.gif
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hurdle?
why you never just let market decide for itself?

bank already sure do homework and let those eligible to apply loan..

So depending on valuation, maybe buyer really need to put more downpayment...well...if the buyer can afford, means really can buy lor...means is not flipper...

those who cannot afford, go find cheaper property with affordable downpayment....

end of the day... let the supply demand dictate the price...i don't think bank so stupid loan to those buyer who cannot to repay the loan...end of the day, it is still business...and sure bank calculate already....

why you always must say the price expensive and potential hurdle to buyer? in the end it is all about oneself affordability...if you earn peanuts, you want to stay at bungalow? sorry la....
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New lauches is doing 8% rebate..... Some even 10% rebate... So, means u pay little or no deposit...
Bank is stupid or ignorant?


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end of the day, it's all business..

i do agree there are defaulters of credit cards...but percentage wise is low compared to the overall credit card holders out there...

so if 5 out of 100 home buyers cannot pay back loan, do you consider this as crisis? i do'nt think so right? that's why all this while you can see lelong or auction....

i am not sure if all are worker class...all i know is there are rich ppl out there who can buy property...and the world is bigger than we think... you just cannot assume all buyers are flippers with no holding power...

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The same banks also approve credit cards and hire purchase too.. was there any defaulting.. answer is a lot... damm a lot...

your statement and showtime747 has expressly agreed that potential buyers are workers class.. the longer period of non offloading will be fatal..
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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Apr 7 2014, 12:17 AM)
end of the day, it's all business..

i do agree there are defaulters of credit cards...but percentage wise is low compared to the overall credit card holders out there...

so if 5 out of 100 home buyers cannot pay back loan, do you consider this as crisis? i do'nt think so right? that's why all this while you can see lelong or auction....

i am not sure if all are worker class...all i know is there are rich ppl out there who can buy property...and the world is bigger than we think... you just cannot assume all buyers are flippers with no holding power...
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Bank negara will know.. ccris report shows all.. you are dead wrong.. defaulters could easily hit 50% of workingclass.. even you dont default you are in the 83% housrhold debt list

u cant deny majority working class are mainly targetted by developers and flippers..

got see semi-d or bunglow flipped badly.. ? Or built in mass units?

the supplies itself is self explanatory that market is targeting working class.. majority supplies service apartment.. condo.. DSL.. rich ppl/flippers going to buy these property as home or invest?.. u know the answer..
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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Apr 6 2014, 10:40 PM)
New lauches is doing 8% rebate..... Some even 10% rebate... So, means u pay little or no deposit...
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jack up the price and give rebate, then buyer dont need to put so much of DP
banks are tightening bank loans, now they deduct epf, car loan, all commitment then only get your net income.

so a lot of buyers wanna buy but dunt have the cash to pay for DP or banks reject their loans.
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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Apr 7 2014, 12:17 AM)
end of the day, it's all business..

i do agree there are defaulters of credit cards...but percentage wise is low compared to the overall credit card holders out there...

so if 5 out of 100 home buyers cannot pay back loan, do you consider this as crisis? i do'nt think so right? that's why all this while you can see lelong or auction....

i am not sure if all are worker class...all i know is there are rich ppl out there who can buy property...and the world is bigger than we think... you just cannot assume all buyers are flippers with no holding power...
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So can we assume all buyers are flippers and have strong holding powers? Wow 95% buyers whom are not owners have strong holding powers and forsees inability to offload...

and at the end even you have holding powers.. you are losing money.. and at the end your expected profit will cut even with holding cost.. then no profit fi...

and remember every prop has its own price.. after initial boost I.e 500k to 750k.. at 750k dat is going to be slowly increase due to holding cost.. you cannot go higher at least for years to come 5 years coz there is a limit.. if keep going up in every month in 5k or 10k.. ypur property will be more expensive than newly launches..

to add salt to pain.. at 750k.. your safe guard bank valuation also cant get 90% of course flipped maa.. if you hold and add 5k to 10k monthly.. bank valuation even worse.. less than 80% may be go as low as 60%..

Prop owners check years you holding your prooerty and your asking prices whetheter valuation by bank is lowering or up.. if it is lowering.. potential buyers are less and less forking 20% and above deposits will keep buyers away with prop nowadays easily attains 500k mark.. 20% means 100k DP alone if 30% u go figure out.. buyers might opt for new units with low Dp 10k 20k..

you see becoz valuation less than 90% I m sure many buyers after being convinced by agents can get 90% but later not.. they will abort and full refund.. business no good.. holding longer on the flipped prop amplifies and magnifies this problem..

it is already a confirmed by government more than 60%prop are from residential.. goreng more..

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Soli all tai lou here....can i ask if salary range from 200k to 300k a lot? Don't tell me gov statistic ok. I just feel that many malaysian earning way above this range. Not to offend anyone. I know the heat is getting high ....
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QUOTE(Flybirdtalkbird @ Apr 7 2014, 08:20 AM)
Soli all tai lou here....can i ask if salary range from 200k to 300k a lot? Don't tell me gov statistic ok. I just feel that many malaysian earning way above this range. Not to offend anyone. I know the heat is getting high ....
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in my industry 200k to 300k is norm for people with 5 to 10 years experience. Of course this is total compensation including bonus.
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QUOTE(Flybirdtalkbird @ Apr 7 2014, 08:20 AM)
Soli all tai lou here....can i ask if salary range from 200k to 300k a lot? Don't tell me gov statistic ok. I just feel that many malaysian earning way above this range. Not to offend anyone. I know the heat is getting high ....
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200k to 300k only u asking? Hey more than 100k is gazilions in malaysia.


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What is 200k to 300k per year. I have people earning 150k per month in my office. Malaysians. Those are the sub surface guys....reservoir engrs...drillers...production technologists. Haizzz
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QUOTE(Flybirdtalkbird @ Apr 7 2014, 08:20 AM)
Soli all tai lou here....can i ask if salary range from 200k to 300k a lot? Don't tell me gov statistic ok. I just feel that many malaysian earning way above this range. Not to offend anyone. I know the heat is getting high ....
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i think it's high.
because i am nowhere near his income mah.
i am working class like bbw.
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Many who don't work in the property sector will disagree with you, because they are working with their so called RM20k~3-k/month rental income / job. More won't agree that it takes only a few China to invest in certain developer company for others to take suit.

When there is economic downturn there won't be effect one la, jobs are still being kept and people still renting ma, don't underestimate penggangur lah, banyak pun gaji RM20~30k okay!! Apa lah RM2~15k sebulan untuk bayar sewa, hutangku tak yah bayar punya lah!! National debt takpe, ada bank berkonsep Islam yang tak akan menzalimiku macam bank-bank China, Amerika dan Yahudi okay!! Reserve bank negaraku akan selalu membayar hutangku!! wub.gif wub.gif

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In fact there are many, just that most collaborate hiddenly.

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The reason nothing happens to Malaysia would be because there is always a scapegoat country to pick up what was left behind the crash to erect the world economy again, and our ministers and people will offer their buttholes and even their wives' and daughters' and even sons' buttholes to get money and power.

Maybe our Malaysia can be the next one lol (just kidding, Malaysians are greedy and lazy as fark so this isn't happening). Inb4, somehow when I see the China scenario it always reminds me how the China men used to be our laborers now they turn out to be our bosses. Hopefully, the next economic erector will not be Bangladesh lah, if not for sure we can have Bangla datuks with Nenloofas as wives. Habis orang orang Malaysia if comes that day.

Still, love your practicality.

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Hmm...over stretched flippers. You mean banks approve loan to them even when they can't afford ? Like their net income is RM5k, they manage to buy 2 properties at RM500k each with installment RM2.3k x 2 = RM4.6k ? So, they have to flip upon VP ?

Got such bank meh ? Never heard of people manage to get so high loan
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Have a friend with around RM4.2k/month wage that was eligible on a RM480k DIBS schemed condo (1st property, ownstay).... How many % was that?

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I agree with this sentiments, but granted most locals (especially bumis) monthly income hasn't increased linearly over the years of the boom; somehow RM180k 2 years ago was affordable to many while the current jacked up price had become 300k+ was totally unacceptable to most? hmm.gif hmm.gif

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Stock price now is gooding, my office got a 70 year old worker that kept his stocks since his prime and now he will gain regardless if stock crash now! Can retire don't want, but still keeping it even though ajal sudah mau sampai. sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif

But back then in 1997 when stock crashes, cars dwellers (especially 2nd hand cars) were hit terribly.

QUOTE(tikaram @ Apr 7 2014, 06:37 AM)
This person actively looking at affordable in rawang n sg buluh. Dont think income is high.
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Would it be temporary only for singapore ?

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/housing-prices-se...31--sector.html

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/high-end-home-pri...44--sector.html

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Apr 7 2014, 12:54 PM)
We shall know further.. there are high income group holding the market from collapsing.. I doubt these group can bleed non stop despite got holding power.. singapore and hong kong drop di.. it high time for malaysia..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 7 2014, 08:53 AM)
Hie new member... just join.. I think you will be very active in bubble talk later.. do we need gov statistic? 100k yearly I agree with amaya got.. 200k to 300k.. hmm I wonder what kind of cars they rode on the road for a minimum 20k salary or business? Well malaysian cars on the road are the most like myvi.. viva.. saga.. even can afford vios. Honda.. voks....hmm how do see the market? More expensive cars on theroad
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That is only one side. If both husband n wife earn more than 100k, that will be 200k++. Remember the specialists couple, belive they are in d range of 300k combine income. And still bonded by government.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 7 2014, 01:01 PM)
We shall know further.. there are high income group holding the market from collapsing.. I doubt these group can bleed non stop despite got holding power.. singapore and hong kong drop di.. it high time for malaysia..
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I m sure those who aim for rental plays will be happy to see this in Malaysia as well! If there is any sign of fear, purchase will be postponed as best.

There is a hardcore DDD analyst, not in this forum, advising people to sell even when 10% discount has to be given. According to him, this maybe the last opportunity to sell. But, if one is not a flipper, y bother ?

If one aims for appreciations and has gains, it may not be a bad idea to hedge by locking in profits.
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Ok lor.. I know there are ppl with these income geh.. no doubt.. the larger pool of buyers dont have maa..
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The larger pool live in sabah sarawak kelantan pahang terengganu kedah eg all of malaysia. large pool in KL earn a lot u know. Especially the one who pay for all these high price properties. Get that bbw?
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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Apr 7 2014, 01:26 PM)
The larger pool live in sabah sarawak kelantan pahang terengganu kedah eg all of malaysia. large pool in KL earn a lot u know. Especially the one who pay for all these high price properties. Get that bbw?
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i understand.. but you are subsequently selling back to to the lower income group with higher debts maa.. hiher income holding forever like that?

u should have mmany knowledge on credit records, was it good?

you are saying, groups who purchased property are high income group, then ppl who buying also higher income group.. so it a game only for you guys?

the supplies in the market says otherwise.. the type of supplies does not fit the higher income group..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 7 2014, 01:50 PM)
i understand.. but you are subsequently selling back to to the lower income group with higher debts maa.. hiher income holding forever like that?

u should have mmany knowledge on credit records, was it good?

you are saying, groups who purchased property are high income group, then ppl who buying also higher income group.. so it a game only for you guys?

the supplies in the market says otherwise.. the type of supplies does not fit the higher income group..
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Exactly ! thumbup.gif

The high income group bought property with intention to flip to lower income group.

But there r also wishful thinking lower income group bought property & intend to flip to higher income group (usually there end up in your office getting repo.. laugh.gif )
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This is becoming the surreal reality section of lowyat.
Like going into a dream world where there are flowers everywhere..

Pricing for medium condo in low class surroundings:
- Guessing if launched in 2007: 150 psf
- Launch 2010: 300 psf (it was seen as a bit expensive then)
- Owners/agents talking in thread to sell at above 500 psf



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To get these kind of money every years, people need to work hard, know alot, willing to take risk, etc. They are normally business man, investors, or high post officers. I do know people with these kind of pays, but there are not many of them.

Whatever anybody says, 200-300k pay per year is just not the majorities in kv. Believe me, I do get to see many people.

However, many of these investors will not be affected by price drop, as they are not flippers. There are many many types of prop investors, flipper is just one of them and the percentage of new flippers is quite low now after the curbs. I m now only waiting for the finales of those flipper show when their units got vp.




QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 7 2014, 01:42 PM)
We are not degrading them or anyting.. keep it cool.. they are still humans with 2 hands and leg.. and one brain..

aside from that for amaya it is never difficult to acknowledge high income ppl.. just it is an unacceptable answer to say the klang valley are parked with these majority.. look at the cars on the streets.. i believe the first ting a 20k plus income will be buying 200k to 300k cars already..

if what amaya say is correct.. then just buy any property in the market.. with these strong foundation backing up i.e high inome group in KV.. tutup mata also can beli and resell.. and profit..

and there wont be so many credit cards defaulters.. and hire purchase defaulters (which is the highest according to amaya) bankruptcy already.. wont be so many PPRT flats occupied and vacant units on newly Vp ed units already..
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Wow....this tread is heated up. Take it easy guys. Everyone is free to talk but just that don't attack others la...
by the way, bearbearwong, i dont quite agree with you on people earning certain level of income should drive what car. I do know few multi millionaires just driving waja and old benz or slightly better one is japanese car. You can't judge a book by its cover. Ok...cheers everyone.
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Lets keep the discussions factual please. This thread has been banned before so lets not have a repeat.
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QUOTE(Flybirdtalkbird @ Apr 7 2014, 05:44 PM)
Wow....this tread is heated up. Take it easy guys. Everyone is free to talk but just that don't attack others la...
by the way, bearbearwong, i dont quite agree with you on people earning certain level of income should drive what car. I do know few multi millionaires just driving waja and old benz or slightly better one is japanese car. You can't judge a book by its cover. Ok...cheers everyone.
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Agree on this. Know people earning >RM20K, driving National Cars only, owned many properties though. It all depends what pushes your buttons cos I also know fresh grads driving God Car aka Vios.

Best we stick to the topic, are we approaching a Property Bubble - the answer is Not Yet, cos we have many aspiring house buyers willing to pay RM700K for a normal condo with a KL Address for their own stay.


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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 7 2014, 08:27 PM)
I had never doubted their existence.. but being a high income group does not meant their direction is correct.. they can afford to hold.. burn.. lost.. we must be more dilligence.. blindly buy cannot work.. I never locked up my buying for own stay.. I m monitering..any reasonae bargin I grab..
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Well all im saying, if u dont buy, other rich people will buy. And u will miss that property.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 7 2014, 08:27 PM)
I had never doubted their existence.. but being a high income group does not meant their direction is correct.. they can afford to hold.. burn.. lost.. we must be more dilligence.. blindly buy cannot work.. I never locked up my buying for own stay.. I m monitering..any reasonae bargin I grab..
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Boss, 22x70 DSL within Bdr Iskandar area sub sale for Rm200k, gd deal?

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Boss, 22x70 DSL within Bdr Iskandar area sub sale for Rm200k, gd deal?
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Is this a tease.. I dun want to stay johor..yet..
I give dsl better price 450k above ..
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Is this a tease.. I dun want to stay johor..yet..
I give dsl better price 450k above ..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 7 2014, 08:27 PM)
I had never doubted their existence.. but being a high income group does not meant their direction is correct.. they can afford to hold.. burn.. lost.. we must be more dilligence.. blindly buy cannot work.. I never locked up my buying for own stay.. I m monitering..any reasonae bargin I grab..
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No offence .... How many properties u have ?

I still remember, when I wan to buy around 2010, my mom told me will bubble... I don't trust her but I wait & see...
During yr 2011, I wait& see.... Finally, bought around 2012 which is more expensive rclxub.gif
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Maybe I don't trust the market will "bubble" that time.... But, that time I have limited knowledge..

I hope it will be drop... Wait & wait...


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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Apr 7 2014, 11:29 PM)
No offence .... How many properties u have ?

I still remember, when I wan to buy around 2010, my mom told me will bubble... I don't trust her but I wait & see...
During yr 2011, I wait& see.... Finally, bought around 2012 which is more expensive rclxub.gif
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any data to support singapore property price drop ?

Serious question... My sister is in Singapore.. just one yr
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Serious question... My sister is in Singapore..  just one yr
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You can read it here. Should be quite accurate about the past quarters. Read it with a pinch of salt about the future predictions.

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any data to support singapore property price drop ?

Serious question... My sister is in Singapore..  just one yr
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Minor correction. Prices should stabilise in next 1-2 quarters.

Property prices to correct by 5-6% this year

Time to tweak some measures, says analyst.

According to PropNex, after a tumultuous year that saw the most severe set of property cooling measures and lending curbs implemented by the government, private homes prices may fall further.

According to the flash estimates released by URA today, private home prices in Singapore continued to fall in 1Q14 as government interventions crimped real-estate investment. The private residential property price index fell 1.3% in 1Q14 to 211.6 points—this is the second consecutive quarter of decline and could herald further price falls this year, when large supplies of new homes are expected to reach the market amid a possible rise in interest rates.

Mass-market homes in the OCR saw prices declining by 0.3% while RCR prices fell by 2.8%. For the fourth consecutive quarter of price decline, CCR properties also saw its prices continued dipped by 1.3% in 1Q2014 flash estimate results.

"By now, we are convinced that the private residential market has turned the corner and is entering into a consolidation phase with reduced transactional activity and prices under pressure," said Mr Mohamed Ismail, CEO of PropNex Realty.

"The various government measures have effectively curtailed demand from all groups of home buyers," he added.

“The demand for private homes might also be affected by the drop HDB resale prices. This possibly deterred sellers who are looking to sell their HDB flats and upgrade. The smaller gain achieved from the sale of their HDB will limit their budget for their new private property and may cause some to put their plans on the backburner because the potential profit is insufficient to allow them to upgrade.”

Buyers and investors will be more cautious resulting in a more subdued demand and weaker sales volume. Prices are widely expected to show a modest decline or remain flat. Mr Ismail said he expects prices to cool further over the course of this year and next, but it will remain resilient in the long term."We expect prices to remain relatively stable with a bit of downward pressure in the firsthalf of 2014.

Developers will adjust their launch prices to match the current inertia in the market, but will not drop prices too much due to the high price in which they have secured the land.

Similarly, I believe secondary resale prices will take cue from the primary market in a bid to attract buyers. In addition to the weak market sentiments, the large oncoming supply and various measures in place will work to further dampen demand.

We are looking at an around 5 to 6% correction for the rest of the year, but it won't be a knee jerk fall. The round of cooling measures clearly impacted the market, I think it is timely to tweak the Additional Buyers’ Stamp Duty (ABSD), while maintaining the Total Debt Servicing Ratio (TDSR) which was intended to ensure buyers’ financial prudence," he concluded.

- See more at: http://sbr.com.sg/residential-property/new...h.6h20RcYX.dpuf
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Singapore govt really imposed restriction .... 80% loan, additional buyer stamp duty for PR 5%., foreigner 15%.. rclxub.gif


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I remember asking this question before but dont remember getting a response. So here it goes again. Does anybody know if banks are recording lesser home loan applications this year or is it still the sameas previous years?
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rich fellas are all in one la....UUU, DDD

they dunt care whether is up or down one.
when up they profit, when down they prepare case to sapu cheap stocks or houses.

economics 101 failed man.
everyone wants to buy cheap things, buy low sell high.

only here all the so called "rich" mentally people pray hard it goes up one way.
lmao, my friend's client, investor businessman (owns colleges, hotels), liquidated all of his excess properties (commercial buildings) since 2013.


please buy more properties....continue to make the wok hotter
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Apr 8 2014, 09:38 AM)
I remember asking this question before but dont remember getting a response. So here it goes again. Does anybody know if banks are recording lesser home loan applications this year or is it still the sameas previous years?
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I don't think that Banks are getting less applications but perhaps Banks are rejecting more applications.

I was at the Tropicana Heights Launching. Was told that all the intermediate Units were sold out during the Launch but since I registered, 1-week later, I received an e-mail to say that 4-units released cos Loan rejected.

Few weeks later, Tropicana did a showcase of all their properties and said that 15-more units released cos of loan rejected. Just last week, a friend of mine inquired and was told another 5-units released so all in all, about 24 units released cos of loan rejected.


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I don't think that Banks are getting less applications but perhaps Banks are rejecting more applications.

I was at the Tropicana Heights Launching.  Was told that all the intermediate Units were sold out during the Launch but since I registered, 1-week later, I received an e-mail to say that 4-units released cos Loan rejected.

Few weeks later,  Tropicana did a showcase of all their properties and said that 15-more units released cos of loan rejected.  Just last week, a friend of mine inquired and was told another 5-units released so all in all, about 24 units released cos of loan rejected.
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previously banks considered gross income as income, means lets say you earn RM10k, so the calculation is based on that RM 10k.
now is net income.

RM 10k,
EPF + socso = RM 1.2k
car commitment = RM 1.5k
house commitment = RM 2k
so left over is RM 4.7k
so your net income is only RM 4.7k

so the loan rules have changed.

my gf tried to apply for RM 400k loan, they rejected because of skipped car installment for 2months even having RM 30k FD in the same bank.
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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Apr 8 2014, 10:58 AM)
previously banks considered gross income as income, means lets say you earn RM10k, so the calculation is based on that RM 10k.
now is net income.

RM 10k,
EPF + socso = RM 1.2k
car commitment = RM 1.5k
house commitment = RM 2k
so left over is RM 4.7k
so your net income is only RM 4.7k

so the loan rules have changed.

my gf tried to apply for RM 400k loan, they rejected because of skipped car installment for 2months even having RM 30k FD in the same bank.
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Like that upgraders will be tougher to get loans, as their units r not rented out. So bnm did lock down upgrader purchase as well. So, more potential buyers not able to buy.
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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Apr 8 2014, 11:06 AM)
Like that upgraders will be tougher to get loans, as their units r not rented out.  So bnm did lock down upgrader purchase as well. So, more potential buyers not able to buy.
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even for rental income they might not consider into the net income.

practically those newly launched properties of RM 500k range for middle class buyers with husband and wife combined income only can buy.

so you got a lot of buyers but all of them are zombies that cannot obtain loans. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Apr 8 2014, 10:50 AM)
I don't think that Banks are getting less applications but perhaps Banks are rejecting more applications.

I was at the Tropicana Heights Launching.  Was told that all the intermediate Units were sold out during the Launch but since I registered, 1-week later, I received an e-mail to say that 4-units released cos Loan rejected.

Few weeks later,  Tropicana did a showcase of all their properties and said that 15-more units released cos of loan rejected.  Just last week, a friend of mine inquired and was told another 5-units released so all in all, about 24 units released cos of loan rejected.
Yes i tend to agree with you. Banks have been getting more stringent with their loan approvals from early 2013 already. Also heard valuations for subsales are lower than before? Any confirmation?
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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Apr 8 2014, 11:14 AM)
even for rental income they might not consider into the net income.

practically those newly launched properties of RM 500k range for middle class buyers with husband and wife combined income only can buy.

so you got a lot of buyers but all of them are zombies that cannot obtain loans. laugh.gif
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They do consider if u show tenency agreements and declare this income in your income tax. I think Man Utd boss can prove this as he is a big landlord tauke!
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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Apr 8 2014, 10:58 AM)
previously banks considered gross income as income, means lets say you earn RM10k, so the calculation is based on that RM 10k.
now is net income.

RM 10k,
EPF + socso = RM 1.2k
car commitment = RM 1.5k
house commitment = RM 2k
so left over is RM 4.7k
so your net income is only RM 4.7k

so the loan rules have changed.

my gf tried to apply for RM 400k loan, they rejected because of skipped car installment for 2months even having RM 30k FD in the same bank.
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Those day these "Daredevil" @ kamikaze flipper/speculator will simply dive in & hope bank will tutup mata approve their loan, in fact many never even consider affordability after vp since zero or small entry cost.

Some teruk case try to register & hope to get water fish to buy from them as subsales. (pillar pun takde land also not clear already see people selling).

My question is why previously banks any tom, d***, harry also approve but now so strict ? is there lot's of defaulter ?
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Apr 8 2014, 11:27 AM)
Those day these "Daredevil" @ kamikaze flipper/speculator will simply dive in & hope bank will tutup mata approve their loan,  in fact many never even consider affordability after vp since zero or small entry cost.

Some teruk case try to register & hope to get water fish to buy from them as subsales. (pillar pun takde land also not clear already see people selling).

My question is why previously banks any tom, d***, harry also approve but now so strict ? is there lot's of defaulter ?
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I would guess that this is the steps derived from bank's own stress test. May or may not happen, but they hv to take the actions.
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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Apr 8 2014, 11:25 AM)
They do consider if u show tenency agreements and declare this income in your income tax.  I think Man Utd boss can prove this as he is a big landlord tauke!
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ya got pay income tax only consider. if not cant

QUOTE(jolokia @ Apr 8 2014, 11:27 AM)
Those day these "Daredevil" @ kamikaze flipper/speculator will simply dive in & hope bank will tutup mata approve their loan,  in fact many never even consider affordability after vp since zero or small entry cost.

Some teruk case try to register & hope to get water fish to buy from them as subsales. (pillar pun takde land also not clear already see people selling).

My question is why previously banks any tom, d***, harry also approve but now so strict ? is there lot's of defaulter ?
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malaysia banks have about 10% reserve ratio(if not mistaken), means they lend out 90% of the money.
you deposit RM 100, they lend out your RM 90.

all these depends in Central Bank or Bank Negara, and Bank Negara tracks what first world country Central Bank like US Federal Reserve does.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Apr 8 2014, 11:23 AM)
Yes i tend to agree with you. Banks have been getting more stringent with their loan approvals from early 2013 already. Also heard valuations for subsales are lower than before? Any confirmation?
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Subsales valuations increased at my area, according to an agent that I quite trust. Not sure about others.

Just that loans are restricted for now.
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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Apr 8 2014, 12:34 PM)
Malaysians give birth more than singaporean
Kuala lumpur properties is competing within the whole people of malaysia from other states.
Singapore mainly competes within themselves.

Listen to me bear bear, if u dont buy other people will buy. We have more volume. But we have scarcity of supply in kl very prime area.
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Most of those with lots of children belong to low income group, we r talking about quality not quantity, we also import lots of Indon & sulu to Sabah do u think they can afford RM 600K Amaya or not ?

Chinese population growth in Malaysia very slow, they r the main drive force to property market, with mere 1.8% growth & declining rate, the property market growth r quite limited, most Chinese household now consists of 1-3 children & marrying late whish also the reason why they can afford to channel more money into properties investment.

No intention for been rising racist remarks, Malay been the biggest ethic group in Malaysia tend to earn less, marrying earlier & have more children, though statically this look good for properties demand, BUT this would also mean their available fund for properties investment is very much lesser.

Remember demand & afford is 2 different things, I demand a 3000sf house for my 8 children but can I afford one ? I demand all my 8 children to buy 1 house each but can they afford ? my income limited I can only afford to send 3 of my children to tertiary education so my other 5 children may find it hard to earn a good living moreover afford a ever increasing property price.

Remember quality not quantity we r talking about here.

Singapore is a high income nation they import high income PR & Citizens, where else's here we r merely medium income country & import low income labourer citizens, got it ? Quality vs Quantity.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Apr 8 2014, 11:23 AM)
Yes i tend to agree with you. Banks have been getting more stringent with their loan approvals from early 2013 already. Also heard valuations for subsales are lower than before? Any confirmation?
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That one long time already.

But this fact also reinforce the UUU camp's argument that prop market here is more resilient that other country's because bank's control is very strong...
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 8 2014, 01:39 PM)
That one long time already.

But this fact also reinforce the UUU camp's argument that prop market here is more resilient that other country's because bank's control is very strong...
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bank control cannot dictate the economy will be good forever bro.

during the 1998 crisis got one unker told me he was making RM 100k daily on share market alone.
remisier can buy ferrari and after that everything disappeared.

If you can make RM 100k daily u wanna flip houses kar ?
so blardy slow la

humans have herd mentality, previously all of them were frying share markets, these few years fry houses, what will be the next trend for next few years ? nobody knows yet.

people follow money, if next few years is other stuff, your friends will be, bro, you are damn outdated lo.


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QUOTE(bcpbeancounter @ Apr 8 2014, 01:35 PM)
You are right bear bear. HK and SG has drop a lot. Many still stuck and will drop further. Malaysia sure drop.  rclxms.gif wait..
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it has to be confirmed until a drop in Malaysia... then only a drop will suffice, with bank negara increasing the interest rates, i am sure with this sentiments it will hit Johor first. then to KV..
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 8 2014, 01:39 PM)
That one long time already.

But this fact also reinforce the UUU camp's argument that prop market here is more resilient that other country's because bank's control is very strong...
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Not necessarily ! People who take loan up 70% of their income is like walking on thin ice.

Our household debt already bubble to 86.8% up from 80.5% in one year, that alarming.

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 8 2014, 02:06 PM)
it has to be confirmed until a drop in Malaysia... then only a drop will suffice, with bank negara increasing the interest rates, i am sure with this sentiments it will hit Johor first. then to KV..
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Bingo...so wait...
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Bingo...so wait...
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no more simple supply and demand theory di right? i believe Singapore has has demand more than supplies one..
no need to scared ppl about property price down ppl will lose job and etc..

price can drop to 30%

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/03/03/ho..._n_4890376.html

http://www.propertyobserver.com.au/finding...correction.html

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Apr 8 2014, 09:38 AM)
I remember asking this question before but dont remember getting a response. So here it goes again. Does anybody know if banks are recording lesser home loan applications this year or is it still the sameas previous years?
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Banking sector is still registering loan growth generally on household debt, (which primary consist of home loan and car loan), just the pace of growth is slower than last year. Last year teen digit growth, this year expect a single digit about 8~9%.

From the banks' balance sheet across, one can see their loan amount still growing at some pace.

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...to-RM854pt3bil/
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 8 2014, 02:12 PM)
no more simple supply and demand theory di right? i believe Singapore has has demand more than supplies one..
no need to scared ppl about property price down ppl will lose job and etc..

price can drop to 30%

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/03/03/ho..._n_4890376.html

http://www.propertyobserver.com.au/finding...correction.html
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I have throw out of the window on demand supply theory. Tipu one, all singaporean are demanding for at least 1 house but house price are dropping. It proof that demand > supply = price drop. Ya, hardly heard of singaporean kena goreng sotong. they still in the job but price drop. So wait till the bottom then buy. Simple right? rclxms.gif
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I think tightening of credit in china do play a role in property price drop. This is just my hunch only. They are everywhere.

Look at table in point no 6
http://propcafe.net/%e5%8d%81%e5%a4%a7%e5%...t/#comment-1324

In Singapore:
http://www.stproperty.sg/articles-property...ing-up/a/151075

https://www.facebook.com/notes/theonlinecit...150362724338964

In Malaysia:
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia...r-bargain-homes




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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 8 2014, 01:04 PM)
Oh means price still up.. dun compare singapore.. we have many demands.. we also have mamy ppl salary lower than singapore.. but our house price are catchingup with singaporean.

Johor will be affected by the price.. with these kind of sentimens.. expect price to go up sumore..? Malaysia gave birth more that does not mean they exhibit ability to take on overpriced property.. hong kong has more population than us.. but price drop 20%..

the simple and only message inten ded to be deliver is property price do drop irregardless and need of an economy downturn.. singapore dont.. hong kong down.. so as their demand more than supply still drop..
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Msia prop price catching up SG? hmm.gif hmm.gif
HK population more than Msia? shocking.gif shocking.gif
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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Apr 8 2014, 03:25 PM)
I think tightening of credit in china do play a role in property price drop. This is just my hunch only.  They are everywhere.

Look at table in point no 6
http://propcafe.net/%e5%8d%81%e5%a4%a7%e5%...t/#comment-1324

In Singapore:
http://www.stproperty.sg/articles-property...ing-up/a/151075

https://www.facebook.com/notes/theonlinecit...150362724338964

In Malaysia:
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia...r-bargain-homes
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demand is there, buyer is there, but banks dont want to release money, so got demand and got buyer also no use.

you are buying something using bank loan, not open your wallet to pay cash doh.gif
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 8 2014, 03:27 PM)
Msia prop price catching up SG?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
HK population more than Msia?  shocking.gif  shocking.gif
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sorry population was wrong.. it was only 7 million plus.. and yes we are catching up with singapore price in value to value.. their HDb flat cost 400 sing ours also 450k malaysian..

this still does not negate the the fact property price do come down.. in anyway..
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 8 2014, 03:07 PM)
Banking sector is still registering loan growth generally on household debt, (which primary consist of home loan and car loan), just the pace of growth is slower than last year. Last year teen digit growth, this year expect a single digit about 8~9%.

From the banks' balance sheet across, one can see their loan amount still growing at some pace.

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...to-RM854pt3bil/
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Maybe i misunderstood, I thought as long as there is buying, there is loan growth. The loan referred is the total existing loan.

When the price is higher and the loan growth is slowing, the number of transaction should mean lower. Unless there is a full stop of buying, there isn't any way to lower the household debts. If they predict slower loan growth, they predict fewer transaction.

Could u pls enlighten me ?
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Maybe i misunderstood, I thought as long as there is buying, there is loan growth. The loan referred is the total existing loan.

When the price is higher and the loan growth is slowing, the number of transaction should mean lower.  Unless there is a full stop of buying, there isn't any way to lower the household debts.  If they predict slower loan growth, they predict fewer transaction.

Could u pls enlighten me ?
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i also want to want to know.. am i working for some alien banks? why some many defaulters.. bancruptcy? haizz?..
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Noticed some of the commercial area which are supposed to be "wong" like Puchong Puteri is struggling to get tenant in ground unit. Nearly 15-20 units asking for rental/sale.
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Maybe i misunderstood, I thought as long as there is buying, there is loan growth. The loan referred is the total existing loan.

When the price is higher and the loan growth is slowing, the number of transaction should mean lower.  Unless there is a full stop of buying, there isn't any way to lower the household debts.  If they predict slower loan growth, they predict fewer transaction.

Could u pls enlighten me ?
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Yes, have some truth inside, slow loan growth generally could because of fewer transaction potentially being done.
But at 8~9% growth rate of loan, it is about average, medium good number, not a disaster figure.

Nobody look to lower household debt, debt generally only grow big and bigger, not shrink, unless you have severe recession, crisis event already.

BNM wants to reduce the household debt ratio to GDP, not reduce the loan amount, aka BNM hope the pace of growth slow down, instead of stagnant, while GDP is growing, which could reduce the ratio of it.

If loan not growing, that you could see property price plunging down, recession, deflation etc already.
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To share with u the interesting things I read from the following articles:

Total household financial assets = 1.9 tri, of which
42% = 798 bil in deposits and deposits like instruments
25% = 475 bil in shares and unit trust
33% = 627 bil in others (properties such as resi and commi and vehicles?)

The total household debts = 854 bil

2013 = 854bil (+100bil)
2012 = 754bil (+102bil)
2011 = 652bil (+98bil)
2010 = 554bil

With the loan amount maintaining and prices are higher, the number of approved loan application should be lower. if the supply is higher than previously, shouldn't there be more unsold supply ? Of course, one should take into consideration of car loan, which I can't see from the article.



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Banking sector is still registering loan growth generally on household debt, (which primary consist of home loan and car loan), just the pace of growth is slower than last year. Last year teen digit growth, this year expect a single digit about 8~9%.

From the banks' balance sheet across, one can see their loan amount still growing at some pace.

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...to-RM854pt3bil/
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Just feel like property investors nowadays very the susah. Other people's expectation is lowered to even 4%. I just wonder how they see 4% from property investment is enough. They must be feeling compare to FD 3%+, property 4% with future capital appreciation is a great deal doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif Really frus..... doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 8 2014, 04:07 PM)
Yes, have some truth inside, slow loan growth generally could because of fewer transaction potentially being done.
But at 8~9% growth rate of loan, it is about average, medium good number, not a disaster figure.

Nobody look to lower household debt, debt generally only grow big and bigger, not shrink, unless you have severe recession, crisis event already.

BNM wants to reduce the household debt ratio to GDP, not reduce the loan amount, aka BNM hope the pace of growth slow down, instead of stagnant, while GDP is growing, which could reduce the ratio of it.

If loan not growing, that you could see property price plunging down, recession, deflation etc already.
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Thanks for explaining.

I don't see any hope of reducing the ratio. If people buy new launches or subsales at higher prices, the loan will grow. When GDP grow at 4.5% and debt ratio is 86%, loan growth at 8 or 9% will just further increase debt ratio.

QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 8 2014, 04:15 PM)
Just feel like property investors nowadays very the susah. Other people's expectation is lowered to even 4%. I just wonder how they see 4% from property investment is enough. They must be feeling compare to FD 3%+, property 4% with future capital appreciation is a great deal  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  Really frus..... doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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O brother, take it ez. There is always opportunities in the future. Frankly speaking, 4% yield properties should not be so difficult to find.
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 8 2014, 04:15 PM)
Just feel like property investors nowadays very the susah. Other people's expectation is lowered to even 4%. I just wonder how they see 4% from property investment is enough. They must be feeling compare to FD 3%+, property 4% with future capital appreciation is a great deal  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  Really frus..... doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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Bro.. which property your are looking at? Mind to share?.. you can always post here and i believe all the Tai Ko here will be willing to help you to get a good offer.... smile.gif


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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 8 2014, 03:07 PM)
Banking sector is still registering loan growth generally on household debt, (which primary consist of home loan and car loan), just the pace of growth is slower than last year. Last year teen digit growth, this year expect a single digit about 8~9%.

From the banks' balance sheet across, one can see their loan amount still growing at some pace.

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...to-RM854pt3bil/
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Best we able obtain data separating Property & Car loan.

But I doubt such data are available to the general public.

We can't even have monthly sales data for car brand & model...sigh



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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Apr 8 2014, 04:25 PM)
Thanks for explaining. 

I don't see any hope of reducing the ratio.  If people buy new launches or subsales at higher prices, the loan will grow.  When GDP grow at 4.5% and debt ratio is 86%, loan growth at 8 or 9% will just further increase debt ratio.

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Yes, unlikely the ratio will go lower in the near future, with there is still good loan growth figure.
Just it is an aim to do so.
At least at 8% loan growth vs 4~5% GDP growth, the debt ratio won't surge too fast as compared to 12~15 loan growth vs 5% GDP growth.

Generally, if borrower able to repay their loan, service their loan, BNM doesn't want to step in too much, as loan growth is one of essence for GDP growth as well.
NPL of banks at the moment mostly at historical low figure generally.

It is impossible to dig into every details and scrutinise eveything , but a generally figure of loan growth figure, NPL ratio, household debt figure will give us some clue how property or specifically economy is doing.





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For the UUU people: Best be careful when buying and don't rush it.

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I assume the DDD people take their time. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Apr 8 2014, 04:27 PM)
Best we able obtain data separating Property & Car loan.

But I doubt such data are available to the general public.

We can't even have monthly sales data for car brand & model...sigh
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Household debt primary consist of property loan (main), secondary is car loan.

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Yes, unlikely the ratio will go lower in the near future, with there is still good loan growth figure.
Just it is an aim to do so.
At least at 8% loan growth vs 4~5% GDP growth, the debt ratio won't surge too fast as compared to 12~15 loan growth vs 5% GDP growth.

Generally, if borrower able to repay their loan, service their loan, BNM doesn't want to step in too much, as loan growth is one of essence for GDP growth as well.
NPL of banks at the moment mostly at historical low figure generally.

It is impossible to dig into every details and scrutinise eveything , but a generally figure of loan growth figure, NPL ratio, household debt figure will give us some clue how property or specifically economy is doing.
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When the loan is at historical high, the NPL ratio should be in historical low, as the debt figure is very much bigger now.

Furthermore, NPL is more a reactive indicator. Only after the economy has turn bad, NPL will show afterwards, at least 3 or 4 months later for each defaulters. When the data is disclosed to public much later, investors won't be able to use the NPL figure to gauge the market!
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When the loan is at historical high, the NPL ratio should be in historical low, as the debt figure is very much bigger now. 

Furthermore, NPL is more a reactive indicator.  Only after the economy has turn bad, NPL will show afterwards, at least 3 or 4 months later for each defaulters.  When the data is disclosed to public much later, investors won't be able to use the NPL figure to gauge the market!
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it is a good sign for the day.. hope more to come... defaulters in the market never lies, bank negara has all data regarding loans & commitments out there...

anyone who has full access to ccris system will know... or any bankers will know.. how many percentage car loans defaulters, house loan defaulters, credit cards defaulters, all type of loans and combinations of them..

with this in hand, we can smell desperate sellers...
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O brother, take it ez. There is always opportunities in the future.  Frankly speaking, 4% yield properties should not be so difficult to find.
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Old already. Not as sharp and as daring as a few years ago sad.gif

For the criteria I set strictly for my agents, good property for rental investment is not easy to find. Do you have any recommendation ?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 8 2014, 05:02 PM)
it is a good sign for the day.. hope more to come... defaulters in the market never lies, bank negara has all data regarding loans & commitments out there...

anyone who has full access to ccris system will know... or any bankers will know.. how many percentage car loans defaulters, house loan defaulters, credit cards defaulters, all type of loans and combinations of them..

with this in hand, we can smell desperate sellers...
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Brother, if have access to this info, you are in better position to tell us, at least pm me lah!

In those defaulters, check to see whether they are defaulting their loans in car/house/credit cards ? Outstanding loan amount ? how many house loan ? any new vps ? (U can tell whether they are flippers in trouble or not)

Take the total outstanding defaulted loan amount, divide by the total loan (854 bil) and new loan (100bil), u can smell trouble faster than many people here with your NPL data. If the total defaulting amount get higher and higher, your dream is getting close.

Keep in mind that those who defaulted due to sickness do not count. sweat.gif
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When the loan is at historical high, the NPL ratio should be in historical low, as the debt figure is very much bigger now. 

Furthermore, NPL is more a reactive indicator.  Only after the economy has turn bad, NPL will show afterwards, at least 3 or 4 months later for each defaulters.  When the data is disclosed to public much later, investors won't be able to use the NPL figure to gauge the market!
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Loan figure or total amount will only get bigger and bigger, (unless in recession/crisis time), so there is no "historical high" regarding the figure of total amount of loan as everyday, every month, or every year, the figure is always getting bigger one. tongue.gif biggrin.gif

Whether the NPL ratio is getting smaller due to more loan growth or not, it doesn't matter, as health of banks or financial, or economy generally, is judged based on % of it.
As long as the % remain low, it is manageable for banks.

Just like if one is doing a business that monthly revenue RM100 million, and with profit margin 3% (similar to bank), you do not scare of your debtor default RM100k.
So even defaulter become more and double become Rm200k, but now your business become RM200 million, it is still not alarming figure, as ratio remain the same.

It is all about % wise that dictate whether the default is manageable or not. It is not perfect world, whenever banks make loan, they already anticipate some default rate as well, just how it is managed and keep it low, and if ratio of it is the key.

Yes, NPL is a reactive indicator, cannot be used to predict anything, but even it is reactive indicator, it just show previously 3/4 months or 6 months or even 1 year ago, the loan default ratio is low.

Actually, no data can be used to predict future accurately. smile.gif
Past performance/past data never guarantee what future will be.
And most data, be it current month of sales, transaction number, GDP, default rate, all are reactive number as well.

By the time, the data is in our hand, it is few months ago issue already.
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Brother, if have access to this info, you are in better position to tell us, at least pm me lah!

In those defaulters, check to see whether they are defaulting their loans in car/house/credit cards ? Outstanding loan amount ? how many house loan ? any new vps ? (U can tell whether they are flippers in trouble or not)

Take the total outstanding defaulted loan amount, divide by the total loan (854 bil) and new loan (100bil), u can smell trouble faster than many people here with your NPL data.  If the total defaulting amount get higher and higher, your dream is getting close.

Keep in mind that those who defaulted due to sickness do not count.  sweat.gif
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if you can repeal the FSAMA and make me immune to any civil and criminal suit for a month , then mai can lor.. but bankers usually have access to it, my friend say in Maybank everytime you log on a pc in HQ, to search for someone's ccris, there is a record of login..

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Oh means price still up.. dun compare singapore.. we have many demands.. we also have mamy ppl salary lower than singapore.. but our house price are catchingup with singaporean.

Johor will be affected by the price.. with these kind of sentimens.. expect price to go up sumore..? Malaysia gave birth more that does not mean they exhibit ability to take on overpriced property.. hong kong has more population than us.. but price drop 20%..

the simple and only message inten ded to be deliver is property price do drop irregardless and need of an economy downturn.. singapore dont.. hong kong down.. so as their demand more than supply still drop..
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If u take the whole malaysia have lower salary than singapore of course, but the prime elite people that owns properties are huge in malaysia. And hong kong dont have more population than us i think. Bro bear look properly, my frens around me once they reach that salary threshold all got new huge houses. Dont want to buy, ok la. Keep waiting.
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Apr 8 2014, 01:38 PM)
Most of those with lots of children belong to low income group,  we r talking about quality not quantity,  we also import lots of Indon & sulu to Sabah do u think they can afford RM 600K Amaya or not ?

Chinese population growth in Malaysia very slow,  they r the main drive force to property market,  with mere 1.8% growth & declining rate, the property market growth r quite limited, most Chinese household now consists of 1-3 children & marrying late whish also the reason why they can afford to channel more money into properties investment.

No intention for been rising racist remarks,  Malay been the biggest ethic group in Malaysia tend to earn less,  marrying earlier & have more children,  though statically this look good for properties demand, BUT this would also mean their available fund for properties investment is very much lesser.

Remember demand & afford is 2 different things,  I demand a 3000sf house for my 8 children but can I afford one ? I demand all my 8 children to buy 1 house each but can they afford ? my income limited I can only afford to send 3 of my children to tertiary education so my other 5 children may find it hard to earn a good living moreover afford a ever increasing property price.

Remember quality not quantity we r talking about here.

Singapore is a high income nation they import high income PR & Citizens,  where else's here we r merely medium income country & import low income labourer citizens, got it ? Quality vs Quantity.
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Yes most who have many children are low income earners. But from that many children, one or two millionaire is born. Well i am talking about my specialist malay friend. I believe he has 7 siblings. Got married and currently he has 3 kids now. And these kids in another 20 yrs want a house of their own too. Again the guy is malay and not chinese.

I always said and can check back all my posts. Our population is increasing and the rich is increasing. However the poor population in malaysia is increasing too. The poor overwhlems the rich and the rich still buying the very expensive properties that the poor cannot afford. But then the rich can still whine here in lowyat forum and bich about property prices which i believe is the price is right at the prime location. Hey if u whine so much, buy bukit beruntong. Said these so many times too.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 8 2014, 03:36 PM)
sorry population was wrong.. it was only 7 million plus.. and yes we are catching up with singapore price in value to value.. their HDb flat cost 400 sing ours also 450k malaysian..

this still does not negate the the fact property price do come down.. in anyway..
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What facts is that?...... If u compare in tat way, then Indonesia will be having one of the most expensive prop....... Australia and many other country got lotsa cheaper prop la? doh.gif doh.gif

Your post only reflect u simply anyhow shoot..... That's why HK population more than Msia can also shoot..... doh.gif doh.gif

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They do consider if u show tenency agreements and declare this income in your income tax.  I think Man Utd boss can prove this as he is a big landlord tauke!
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Boss, depending on bank. Last time even no TA but if u show consistency in rental collection with a nicely recorded excel sheet, almost all banks Q to giv loan. Now, some banks onli take half the income cos they think, I mean they think tenant can move away and b replaced. So its kinda fair to take onli half, at least to me.

No bank ll reject the rental income as income. Just different way to define it for some kiasi banks. Howeva, the strongest bargaining power is income thru biz. The larger turnover hav ll beta chansi. Especially if u can prove a consecutively improvement for at least 5 yrs. Then banks ll oso Q for u.

Nowadays, manyak tactics la. Some smaller bank even offer standby cash in OD with blr-1 without commitment fee to allow potential buyers the cash to go for buying spree. Of cos the fund given is within one's capability to repay la. So dun skip repayment. Either pay early or dump more into the flexi. Banks love it cos they consider u r giving them the money to loan it back to u. No???
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Apr 8 2014, 02:06 PM)
Not necessarily ! People who take loan up 70% of their income is like walking on thin ice.

Our household debt already bubble to 86.8% up from 80.5% in one year, that alarming.
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Boss, IMHO tat ll bring boland props especially KV into a rental market like HK sonner than expected. High debt = low or medium income earners. If props keep goin up means they r not able to catch up. Ended up renting. Richies ll stil buy.

Of cos, richies oso can kantoi wan. I remember I mentioned bout a tycoon collapsed recently. Sibeh boh kiasi. Now hutang ah long 50mil and kawan 50mil. Ah pah pun pening.
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For the UUU people: Best be careful when buying and don't rush it.

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I guess the UUU people in this forum only choose to read good news only. So, none comments on your link. Haha.
The above mentioned case happens when people choose to BBB.
Buy buy blindly?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 8 2014, 03:36 PM)
sorry population was wrong.. it was only 7 million plus.. and yes we are catching up with singapore price in value to value.. their HDb flat cost 400 sing ours also 450k malaysian..

this still does not negate the the fact property price do come down.. in anyway..
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Boss u should say population per sqm
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Here here let me comment. When i wanted to buy my amaya i did my researh on my developer. So the so call developer went MIA, got nothing to do with UUU. Just do ur own due dilligence and see if u want to take the risk of an unknown developer.

This is just a scam to cheat people. Nothing to do if u are UUU or DDD.
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QUOTE(SilverSpoon @ Apr 8 2014, 08:09 PM)
I guess the UUU people in this forum only choose to read good news only. So, none comments on your link. Haha.
The above mentioned case happens when people choose to BBB.
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Boss you read the link or not ? Its about developer running away. Whether UUU or DDD, when buying properties we have to be careful lah. The link is out of topic in this thread lah.

It just show that any news can be viewed by DDD as armageddon. What next ? Close down hotel in Somperna also will cause bubble burst ? doh.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 8 2014, 05:11 PM)
people who jump off building are stupid ppl.. own bank money no need jump off.. if ah long i dunno lah.. after bankrupt, wait 5 years and make payment apply discharge lor..

siao, you burn yourself in property u dun burn family, advertise and sell below market rate can di.. btw we don't expect a crash, correction 20% or 10% from asking price only less profit also need to jump?
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Ah..... key word is less profit and not loss. Hence are you saying it is sure win?
But i still dont get why you are so happy when there are more defaulters... hhhmmmmm....
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Old already. Not as sharp and as daring as a few years ago  sad.gif

For the criteria I set strictly for my agents, good property for rental investment is not easy to find. Do you have any recommendation ?
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Sorry, brother, i don't have it right away. Those that I m aiming sure give lousy yield. I will ask my agent to keep an eye on these.
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Apr 8 2014, 07:41 PM)
Boss, depending on bank. Last time even no TA but if u show consistency in rental collection with a nicely recorded excel sheet, almost all banks Q to giv loan. Now, some banks onli take half the income cos they think, I mean they think tenant can move away and b replaced. So its kinda fair to take onli half, at least to me.

No bank ll reject the rental income as income. Just different way to define it for some kiasi banks. Howeva, the strongest bargaining power is income thru biz. The larger turnover hav ll beta chansi. Especially if u can prove a consecutively improvement for at least 5 yrs. Then banks ll oso Q for u.

Nowadays, manyak tactics la. Some smaller bank even offer standby cash in OD with blr-1 without commitment fee to allow potential buyers the cash to go for buying spree. Of cos the fund given is within one's capability to repay la. So dun skip repayment. Either pay early or dump more into the flexi. Banks love it cos they consider u r giving them the money to loan it back to u. No???
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Hi boss, bz buying today ?

Thanks for the above explanation. If wan OD, sure better go for smaller bank. Last time I need a bg with CIMB, they wan 1:1 cash in FD. Really kiasi!
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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Apr 8 2014, 06:44 PM)
If u take the whole malaysia have lower salary than singapore of course, but the prime elite people that owns properties are huge in malaysia. And hong kong dont have more population than us i think. Bro bear look properly, my frens around me once they reach that salary threshold all got new huge houses. Dont want to buy, ok la. Keep waiting.
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You are very reasonable today.. yup.. I acknowledge elites around.. these elites are holding the properties with intentions of investing and disposing.. look at the type of supplies we know di.. if elites cant hold on how can you expect the poors to take on higher debts than elites and buy.. if of any chance they jointly bought.. this has cripple few salary earners to purchase a property..

every market has its own product.. every level is of a different product.. like bank ctedit cards too.. if you publish a property which are massly vacant but sold and coming new ptojects with high prices say 600k above.. and because of elites holding and further push up the figures higher.. how to promote ur product when is intended for working class with affordability issue..

like letting a person with 2k take platinum cards ..
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Ah..... key word is less profit and not loss. Hence are you saying it is sure win?
But i still dont get why you are so happy when there are more defaulters... hhhmmmmm....
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More business.. and get to go their house to seize and can know about their ccris status.. and yum ca too hehe
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What facts is that?...... If u compare in tat way, then Indonesia will be having one of the most expensive prop....... Australia and many other country got lotsa cheaper prop la?  doh.gif  doh.gif

Your post only reflect u simply anyhow shoot..... That's why HK population more than Msia can also shoot.....  doh.gif  doh.gif
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Oh.. but singapore property price do drop.. despite supply vs demand theory.. dont you tink so?

do you highlight your own mistake? Like tenanted vs non tenanted in value?.. have you found your light yet?
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QUOTE(SilverSpoon @ Apr 8 2014, 08:09 PM)
I guess the UUU people in this forum only choose to read good news only. So, none comments on your link. Haha.
The above mentioned case happens when people choose to BBB.
Buy buy blindly?
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I'm sure they read it, but they of course prefer not to comment on it. They'd rather talk meaninglessly to move it down the thread so less people will notice it. I'd do the same if I were in their position.

However I am sometimes here just to provide an opposite argument. If I get 1 or 2 people to think longer before making one of the biggest decisions of their lives it's worth it already. smile.gif

Of course the scammers will have seen the BBB craze and take advantage of it. There must be more cases out there.
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Boss you read the link or not ? Its about developer running away. Whether UUU or DDD, when buying properties we have to be careful lah. The link is out of topic in this thread lah.

It just show that any news can be viewed by DDD as armageddon. What next ? Close down hotel in Somperna also will cause bubble burst ?  doh.gif
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Hey.. dont you feel anyting about singapore price drop? Too far? Too small? To consider?

how about supply more than demand in singapore or singapore is in an economic crisis? This is news? Means properties in singapore actuall increasing and not dropping?

I recall u mention correction only occurs wen economic downturn.. of which singapore is undergoing?

just because you miss the big buck earning pre 2010.. now you dont hezitate and jump in so that you will miss on earning big bucks like these guys...
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I'm sure they read it, but they of course prefer not to comment on it. They'd rather talk meaninglessly to move it down the thread so less people will notice it. I'd do the same if I were in their position.

However I am sometimes here just to provide an opposite argument. If I get 1 or 2 people to think longer before making one of the biggest decisions of their lives it's worth it already. smile.gif

Of course the scammers will have seen the BBB craze and take advantage of it. There must be more cases out there.
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Not to worry.. these tings cannot be contain one.. from what I see.. even without the news spreading.. the prices itself created a barrier and discourage them to buy.. with BLR incrrasing soon.. and GST into picture .. buyers are conserving their money and loom and see game went on to Q2.. possibly till Q2 2015.. aftermath of GST..
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Here here let me comment. When i wanted to buy my amaya i did my researh on my developer. So the so call developer went MIA, got nothing to do with UUU. Just do ur own due dilligence and see if u want to take the risk of an unknown developer. 

This is just a scam to cheat people. Nothing to do if u are UUU or DDD.
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This sort of scam can only happen because people were in a rush to buy.

My position is that UUU people are more likely to fall for it as they seem to be rushing into buying some properties.

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Ah..... key word is less profit and not loss. Hence are you saying it is sure win?
But i still dont get why you are so happy when there are more defaulters... hhhmmmmm....
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Less profit lor.. loss means drop below purchase price or slightly above selling price...

Can I intrepet your comments as

" yes.. property market may have drop .. but the said drop does not amount to loss.. thus you are not winning"

this effect will make way for bargain and deeper discounts..


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Hey.. dont you feel anyting about singapore price drop? Too far? Too small? To consider?

how about supply more than demand in singapore or singapore is in an economic crisis? This is news? Means properties in singapore actuall increasing and not dropping?

I recall u mention correction only occurs wen economic downturn.. of which singapore is undergoing?
Singapore drop is minor compare to sub-prime crisis, which your predecessors used as argument that malaysia property market crash is imminent.

Yes, for malaysia property market to fall, the economy has to fall. I still think so. But malaysia economy is still expanding.

Another possibility for bubble burst is government introduce more measures. Have you heard any news in pipeline ? Bro, do you know how many times Singapore government implement to surpress the price ? Must be 4-5 measures over 2 years. Only then now see some small results. And you jumping high and low for joy. Over the 2 years, price has already increase more than the fall. Have you heard any news malaysia introducing any further measures ? If Ah Jib really introduce more drastic measure like Singapore, then maybe malaysia property market will fall. Don't celebrate first lah just because you see other country property price come down a bit



QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 8 2014, 09:33 PM)
just because you miss the big buck earning pre 2010.. now you dont hezitate and jump in so that you will miss on earning big bucks like these guys...
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Lastly, why suddenly say I "miss the big buck earning pre 2010" ? You are talking about yourself missing the boat right ? tongue.gif Bro, FYI I have been investing in property market since 1990s, if you care to know


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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 8 2014, 09:27 PM)
Oh.. but singapore property price do drop.. despite supply vs demand theory.. dont you tink so?

do you highlight your own mistake? Like tenanted vs non tenanted in value?.. have you found your light yet?
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Hello..... U sure prop price in SG drop? Or transaction drop? U kno the difference between transaction and price or not? As prop price goes higher u expect increase in transaction? doh.gif doh.gif
Nevertheless..... I don't sees drop in SG prop price (never bother abt data, as it's all abt average in general).... Prime prop it's still creating new high selling price especially HDB.....
What mistake I make? And I hav never understand what u trying to talk about on tenanted or no tenanted value....... Your post..... 50% confusing, 30% ridiculous, remaining 20% jokes...... laugh.gif laugh.gif

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You are very reasonable today.. yup.. I acknowledge elites around.. these elites are holding the properties with intentions of investing and disposing.. look at the type of supplies we know di.. if elites cant hold on how can you expect the poors to take on higher debts than elites and buy.. if of any chance they jointly bought.. this has cripple few salary earners to purchase a property.. 

every market has its own product.. every level is of a different product.. like bank ctedit cards too.. if you publish a property which are massly vacant but sold and coming new ptojects with high prices say 600k above.. and because of elites holding and further push up the figures higher.. how to promote ur product when is intended for working class with affordability issue..

like letting a person with 2k take platinum cards ..
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Thats the argument right now bbw. These properties are not for the average people already. 600k if it is first house is still affordable for a manager kind of salary.
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This sort of scam can only happen because people were in a rush to buy.

My position is that UUU people are more likely to fall for it as they seem to be rushing into buying some properties.
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What a logic. Of course only people who wanted to buy will fall for scam. If you don't buy, of course you won't meet these scammers. What has it got to do with UUU or DDD ? Usually those who fall into the trap are people who are greedy.

The DDD's impression of UUU is that they will buy indiscriminately, in a hurry, and afraid of missing the boat. Simply buy like grandfather's project meh ? Are DDD really that desperate to see property price to come down until their own illusion takes over their mind ? doh.gif
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Singapore drop is minor compare to sub-prime crisis, which your predecessors used as argument that malaysia property market crash is imminent. 

Yes, for malaysia property market to fall, the economy has to fall. I still think so. But malaysia economy is still expanding.

Another possibility for bubble burst is government introduce more measures. Have you heard any news in pipeline ? Bro, do you know how many times Singapore government implement to surpress the price ? Must be 4-5 measures over 2 years. Only then now see some small results. And you jumping high and low for joy. Over the 2 years, price has already increase more than the fall. Have you heard any news malaysia introducing any further measures ? If Ah Jib really introduce more drastic measure like Singapore, then maybe malaysia property market will fall. Don't celebrate first lah just because you see other country property price come down a bit
Lastly, why suddenly say I "miss the big buck earning pre 2010" ? You are talking about yourself missing the boat right ?  tongue.gif  Bro, FYI I have been investing in property market since 1990s, if you care to know
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Wah you have been lying through ur teeth you were investing since 90.. all these while mere masquerading.. icic

so gov took 2 years to supress and within 2 years already up alteady.. so when price go down merely down from the increase in 2 years.. dat means drop lor.. supply demand theory can dump dustbin di.. comeand affirm youngsters drop only crystalize if economic down turn which was very far away perceived..

Ok lar enough of sarcastic comment.. winning here is not a concern.. to witness a real drop in malaysia dat is important.. in fact klcc prop are droping in transacted sq.. but was dismissed being dupe advertisement.. should not celebrate so early.. singapore vs msia altrady agree high speed rail.. back to goreng..

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I guess scamming people because they are rushing to buy property it is out of topic for UUU people who only want to talk about positive news yes.

BTW: UUU talking about out of topic comments is pretty funny.  laugh.gif
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If I were acting like the UUU you are talking about, I will not missed my targeted property 2-3 days ago sad.gif

Bro take a good sleep. Come back and read your link tomorrow. See if scamming has anything to do with UUU and DDD or not
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Singapore drop is minor compare to sub-prime crisis, which your predecessors used as argument that malaysia property market crash is imminent. 

Yes, for malaysia property market to fall, the economy has to fall. I still think so. But malaysia economy is still expanding.

Another possibility for bubble burst is government introduce more measures. Have you heard any news in pipeline ? Bro, do you know how many times Singapore government implement to surpress the price ? Must be 4-5 measures over 2 years. Only then now see some small results. And you jumping high and low for joy. Over the 2 years, price has already increase more than the fall. Have you heard any news malaysia introducing any further measures ? If Ah Jib really introduce more drastic measure like Singapore, then maybe malaysia property market will fall. Don't celebrate first lah just because you see other country property price come down a bit
Lastly, why suddenly say I "miss the big buck earning pre 2010" ? You are talking about yourself missing the boat right ?  tongue.gif  Bro, FYI I have been investing in property market since 1990s, if you care to know
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Unless the country is isolated like north korea, the economy e.g bank interest rate, currency is subject to international influence, and gomen have hardly any control.

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Hello..... U sure prop price in SG drop? Or transaction drop? U kno the difference between transaction and price or not? As prop price goes higher u expect increase in transaction?  doh.gif  doh.gif
Nevertheless..... I don't sees drop in SG prop price (never bother abt data, as it's all abt average in general).... Prime prop it's still creating new high selling price especially HDB.....
What mistake I make? And I hav never understand what u trying to talk about on tenanted or no tenanted value....... Your post..... 50% confusing, 30% ridiculous, remaining 20% jokes......  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Even during depression, there will still be transaction. If average or aggregate price is not benchmark, what is? The most expensive?
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got new measure from penang. low cost owner, must stay at their house, else face prison ... sure or not ....

Selangor to follow ?

https://my.news.yahoo.com/boot-tenants-face...-065300661.html
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Wah you have been lying through ur teeth you were investing since 90.. all these while mere masquerading.. icic

so gov took 2 years to supress and within 2 years already up alteady.. so when price go down merely down from the increase in 2 years..  dat means drop lor.. supply demand theory can dump dustbin di.. comeand affirm youngsters  drop only crystalize if economic down turn which was very far away perceived..

Ok lar enough of sarcastic comment.. winning here is not a concern.. to witness a real drop in malaysia dat is important.. in fact klcc prop are droping in transacted sq.. but was dismissed being dupe advertisement.. should not celebrate so early.. singapore vs msia altrady agree high speed rail.. back to goreng..
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Bro calm down. Your are very hyped up today tongue.gif

Whether I invested since 90s or not, I don't intend to prove. It is you who accuse me of "missing the boat" pre-2010, which only I replied to you my experience. You can always choose to not believe, which I don't mind at all. But I hope my opinion here has nothing to do with how many years of experience or how many properties I have. The weight of my opinion is the same as anybody whether newbie or old bird.

Frankly, like DDD, I wish the price of property market could come down. Then my ROI will be higher. Now I am forced to buy expensive property. Just because the info I have does not point to a price decrease. My argument is very simple :

1. If our economy is good, people will have holding power and buying power. And malaysia economy does not seem like going down
2. Ah Jib has no intention to introduce further measures to curb property prices (source from my govt contact). They will only build more pr1ma housing. If my contact is wrong, and Ah Jib introduce more really drastic and effective measure, then I will stop buying again and become DDD

I always wanted to hear "good" news posted by DDD. But I have been disappointed by you all since Budget 2014 cry.gif
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got new measure from penang. low cost owner, must stay at their house, else face prison ... sure or not ....

Selangor to follow ?

https://my.news.yahoo.com/boot-tenants-face...-065300661.html
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I tink since service apartments.. condos and dsl (all size) are for working class.. selangor state can amend the law so as kl land office.. to impose rrstrictions like rrsidential.. like low cost..

Within 5 years no consent to transfer shall be affected..
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Unless the country is isolated like north korea, the economy e.g bank interest rate, currency is subject to international influence,  and gomen have hardly any control.

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I hope you are right bro. Then we can all buy cheaper properties.

But do you think bank interest rate will go up drastically in 2014 or even 2015 ? Now there is talk that only in 2015 Zeti will increase rates slightly. As you say, you need 3% of interest rate hike to affect the flippers. At this moment, it doesn't look likely at all. You will be lucky if interest rate is increase by 0.5%. 0.5% will hardly force the banks to alter monthly installment.

Unless RM under attack. But RM has stabilized after tapering talk since late last year. Foreign reserve is healthy. Forex is now below 3.2x to US$ and strengthening. If RM stabilize, then 3% interest hike is unlikely to happen

Tell me anything I miss out. I wish you can give me some "good" news
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I hope you are right bro. Then we can all buy cheaper properties.

But do you think bank interest rate will go up drastically in 2014 or even 2015 ? Now there is talk that only in 2015 Zeti will increase rates slightly. As you say, you need 3% of interest rate hike to affect the flippers. At this moment, it doesn't look likely at all. You will be lucky if interest rate is increase by 0.5%. 0.5% will hardly force the banks to alter monthly installment.

Unless RM under attack. But RM has stabilized after tapering talk since late last year. Foreign reserve is healthy. Forex is now below 3.2x to US$ and strengthening. If RM stabilize, then 3% interest hike is unlikely to happen

Tell me anything I miss out. I wish you can give me some "good" news
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Bnm interest rate is closely correlated to fed. It may take 2 to 3 years to hike 3%.

A year ago, usd was rm3.0, and rm have depreciated against almost all currencies in the last few months.

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Unless the country is isolated like north korea, the economy e.g bank interest rate, currency is subject to international influence,  and gomen have hardly any control.
Even during depression,  there will still be transaction. If average or aggregate price is not benchmark, what is? The most expensive?
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Average price derive from transacted prop....... As prop price at high, high priced prop transaction will reduce, more transaction will drive from lower priced prop, thus thus bringing down the average price.....
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2012: [(800k x10) + (400k x10)] /20 = 600k
2013: [(850k x5) + (450k x15)] /20 =550k

Average price dropped....... But did transacted prop price drop? whistling.gif whistling.gif
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He knows what other people doing. He thinks that UUU are all gullible like the DDDs always kena con wit the banana.
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I can understand. When the situation is not flowing their way, they will interpret whatever news to their advantage. So that they can sleep better. It is not easy to fight bad news for 5 years ! The prices are RUNNING AWAY from me ! I may never be able to AFFORD a roof over my head, not to mention my dream home !

5 years of stubbornly high property price which with all the bad economic news, property bubble crash in USA, Spain, Greece etc, it is just ILLOGICAL for Malaysian property market NOT to crash. Malaysia property market MUST crash because all economic data and historical precedence say so. Economics theory CANNOT be wrong. Malaysia cannot defy economic theory. If malaysia property bubble doesn't burst, it is just that the time is NOT RIPE YET. It WILL happen very soon !

But they have been wrong for the last 5 years. If they still hold on to their belief, could they be wrong for another 5 years ?

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I can understand. When the situation is not flowing their way, they will interpret whatever news to their advantage. So that they can sleep better. It is not easy to fight bad news for 5 years ! The prices are RUNNING AWAY from me ! I may never be able to AFFORD a roof over my head, not to mention my dream home !

5 years of stubbornly high property price which with all the bad economic news, property bubble crash in USA, Spain, Greece etc, it is just ILLOGICAL for Malaysian property market NOT to crash. Malaysia property market MUST crash because all economic data and historical precedence say so. Economics theory CANNOT be wrong. Malaysia cannot defy economic theory. If malaysia property bubble doesn't burst, it is just that the time is NOT RIPE YET. It WILL happen very soon !

But they have been wrong for the last 5 years. If they still hold on to their belief, could they be wrong for another 5 years ?
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They gonna be wrong for at least a year...maybe two. Actually maybe another 10 yrs.
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Bnm interest rate is closely correlated to fed. It may take 2 to 3 years to hike 3%.

A year ago, usd was rm3.0, and rm have depreciated against almost all currencies in the last few months.
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You are right, RM has depreciated, and stabilized. So our interest rate is also stabilized.

Do you think weak RM is a good or bad thing ? With weak RM,

1. Our export is cheaper --> encourage export --> better for economy
2. Our property is cheaper to foreigners
3. Discourage imports --> good for current account and forex reserve

The bad things will be for those who hold forex loan. Anything else which is bad for the economy because of weak RM ?

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Bnm interest rate is closely correlated to fed. It may take 2 to 3 years to hike 3%.

A year ago, usd was rm3.0, and rm have depreciated against almost all currencies in the last few months.
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3% increase over 3 years = no impact, at least to me and many others out there. hahaha....
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 8 2014, 10:29 PM)
Talking is useless.. di.. real drop or increase we know later.. just less profit if it real drop.. my fear is even drop still high.. dat is jialat..
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so you wan it to drop back to how much? 2012 price, 2010 or 2008? you think possible or not?
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They gonna be wrong for at least a year...maybe two. Actually maybe another 10 yrs.
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Anything can happen. They could be right tomorrow if North Korea fires a nuclear bomb and flatten Seoul tonight tongue.gif

If we analyse DDD's mindset, it is the "I must buy at the bottom price" principal that troubled them all the while. Buying at the cheapest price can only happen to the luckiest person. There is only 1 person who is going to buy at the lowest price. Same like striking the lottery. They didn't realise buying property is an investment, which carry risk of losing money.

This mindset is the same as "afraid of failure". They will feel "so rugi to buy now, if I wait for another 6 months, I could be buying a bargain which is RM50k cheaper". But as the last 5 years has proven, despite all the bad news around the world, property price here still goes up. And now the bad news around the world is much lesser and much less severe. If they still hold on to "I must buy at the bottom price" principal, then they might never gonna buy, ever
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Average price derive from transacted prop....... As prop price at high, high priced prop transaction will reduce, more transaction will drive from lower priced prop, thus thus bringing down the average price.....
Eg
2012: [(800k x10) + (400k x10)] /20 = 600k
2013: [(850k x5) + (450k x15)] /20 =550k

Average price dropped....... But did transacted prop price drop? whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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There is nothing to stop you from believing your own numbers even is unrealistic.

QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 8 2014, 11:12 PM)
You are right, RM has depreciated, and stabilized. So our interest rate is also stabilized.

Do you think weak RM is a good or bad thing ? With weak RM,

1. Our export is cheaper --> encourage export --> better for economy
2. Our property is cheaper to foreigners
3. Discourage imports --> good for current account and forex reserve

The bad things will be for those who hold forex loan. Anything else which is bad for the economy because of weak RM ?
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In the event fed hike interest rate, cheap rm won't resist interest rise.

Those foreigners who invested earlier are losing in forex. If your argument depreciatung rm is good for the country, why would foreigners want to invest here knowing rm will depreciate further.

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There is nothing to stop you from believing your own numbers even is unrealistic.
In the event fed hike interest rate, cheap rm won't resist interest rise.
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the question is how much feb will increase in 1 year? 3%?
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There is nothing to stop you from believing your own numbers even is unrealistic.
In the event fed hike interest rate, cheap rm won't resist interest rise.
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Showing u a clear example of average price calculation may not be realistic, yet u say the calculation not realistic...... So who is more unrealistic? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Face the real world lah..... Don't always rely on those data and statistic lah...... whistling.gif whistling.gif

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Showing u a clear example of average price calculation may not be realistic, yet u say the calculation not realistic...... So who is more unrealistic?  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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i also interested to know why iceman said not realistic... hmm.gif with more prima house in the pipeline.
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Regardless of capital appreciation, I oso lost count how much I hav collected for rental and how many loans hav been approved due to the income generated fr props. hmm.gif

Dun forget the cheaper price in props tat I hav bot along the way. I onli wait if my melo tin is not filled. tongue.gif
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Those foreigners who invested earlier are losing in forex. If your argument depreciatung rm is good for the country, why would foreigners want to invest here knowing rm will depreciate further.
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That's the difference between you and me. I view thing more positively. While you are very conservative. No right or wrong. You will be very very safe. While I take more risk and the returns (or loss) will be reflected on who is more positive and who is more conservative.
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Anything can happen. They could be right tomorrow if North Korea fires a nuclear bomb and flatten Seoul tonight  tongue.gif 

If we analyse DDD's mindset, it is the "I must buy at the bottom price" principal that troubled them all the while. Buying at the cheapest price can only happen to the luckiest person. There is only 1 person who is going to buy at the lowest price. Same like striking the lottery. They didn't realise buying property is an investment, which carry risk of losing money.

This mindset is the same as "afraid of failure". They will feel "so rugi to buy now, if I wait for another 6 months, I could be buying a bargain which is RM50k cheaper". But as the last 5 years has proven, despite all the bad news around the world, property price here still goes up. And now the bad news around the world is much lesser and much less severe. If they still hold on to "I must buy at the bottom price" principal, then they might never gonna buy, ever
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Well i would think wait for klci to crash and buy all d cheap stocks is a more realistic hope.
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Well i would think wait for klci to crash and buy all d cheap stocks is a more realistic hope.
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if tmrl klci drop 100 points you dare to buy or not?
if the mentality is to wait till it drop to bottom, regardless of what investment, that person can only wait, blam, wait, blame....opps 10 years pass...
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Well i would think wait for klci to crash and buy all d cheap stocks is a more realistic hope.
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But they will always wait for the "lowest price" and eventually never buy also tongue.gif
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3% increase over 3 years = no impact, at least to me and many others out there. hahaha....
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Glad to know that but not for many especially those took flexi loan, 3% rise on 500k balance translated to additional rm1.25k interest per month.

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i also interested to know why iceman said not realistic... hmm.gif with more prima house in the pipeline.
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Not willing to face the real world ppl will say its unrealistic lor......
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Empirically, whether in good time and bad, the ratio of bmw cars to proton is about the same. Likewise for houses. If your example ratio of high price to low can change drastically, average price will jump randomly, which has not. Hence statistically unrealistic.

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if tmrl klci drop 100 points you dare to buy or not?
if the mentality is to wait till it drop to bottom, regardless of what investment, that person can only wait, blam, wait, blame....opps 10 years pass...
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But they will always wait for the "lowest price" and eventually never buy also  tongue.gif
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If klci dropped by 100 points, given time it will return. However, if klci jumped by 100 points, there is a fair chance that it will drop back. Hence, better to buy after it dropped than on the upward trend.

Find current herd behaviour is similar to those property investors in the u.s and spain before 2007.

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if tmrl klci drop 100 points you dare to buy or not?
if the mentality is to wait till it drop to bottom, regardless of what investment, that person can only wait, blam, wait, blame....opps 10 years pass...
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Depends but looking at indicators and my stock buying behaviour, i believe i would. Eg if i was in the stock market after the 2008 election result where klci drop more 100 pts, i would hav pick up a few stocks.
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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Apr 9 2014, 06:27 AM)
Depends but looking at indicators and my stock buying behaviour, i believe i would. Eg if i was in the stock market after the 2008 election result where klci drop more 100 pts, i would hav pick up a few stocks.
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If u don't catch you Bus/LRT/Monorail/KTM soon u'll be late to work. whistling.gif

"If" i was born earlier i would hantam my entire wealth into stock market when it crash to 300 over point during 97, today i would have bought a enitre floor of Amaya. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 8 2014, 11:12 PM)
You are right, RM has depreciated, and stabilized. So our interest rate is also stabilized.

Do you think weak RM is a good or bad thing ? With weak RM,

1. Our export is cheaper --> encourage export --> better for economy
2. Our property is cheaper to foreigners
3. Discourage imports --> good for current account and forex reserve

The bad things will be for those who hold forex loan. Anything else which is bad for the economy because of weak RM ?
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our import is more expensive. export might benefit only certain parties. imported goods are consumed by majority. who knows we might be enjoying RM1 baskin robbins, RM299 iphones, RM39.99 levis jeans someday?

property cheaper to foreigners means depreciating asset to them. only applicable if they intend to stay permanently like mm2h program. eg. would you rather invest in vietnam or singapore yourself?

discourage import because of depreating RM? not good. i would rather the depreciation in import due to rise of standard and consumption of national goods. eg. old town kopitiam having bigger slice of the market than McDonalds

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but why you and only u?

the ddd cam have some enemy from the opposite cam
likewise the uuu cam have some enemy from the opposite cam too

but both cam also against you.
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ONLY YOU, can take me "chui sai keng"
ONLY YOU, can "sat yiu mor quai quai"

ceveori, you understand mah?
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if you don't understand and you don't say you don't understand, how would we know you don't understand.
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QUOTE(kochin @ Apr 9 2014, 08:41 AM)
our import is more expensive. export might benefit only certain parties. imported goods are consumed by majority. who knows we might be enjoying RM1 baskin robbins, RM299 iphones, RM39.99 levis jeans someday?

property cheaper to foreigners means depreciating asset to them. only applicable if they intend to stay permanently like mm2h program. eg. would you rather invest in vietnam or singapore yourself?
When a currency is depreciating, it will increase the export for awhile, e.g to US. After sometimes, it creates inflation in the home economy. And also, those money they made from export may not come back, to avoid further depreciating. Couple with forex debt, it will quite a challenging situation.

Btw, the ceo of maybank recently changed his stand on interest rate. Instead of earlier view that interest rate won't go up bcos of temporary situation, he views that interest could start going up in 2H.

I think some of the Developers will start some plans pending on the responses in the MAPEX, e.g new launch, postpone, sales, etc.

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Empirically,  whether in good time and bad, the ratio of bmw cars to proton is about the same. Likewise for houses. If your example ratio of high price to low can change drastically,  average price will jump randomly, which has not. Hence statistically unrealistic.
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2012: [(800k x10) + (400k x10)] /20 = 600k
2013: [(700k x8) + (500k x12)] /20 =580k
Like tat u more happy bo? Didn't change drastically Liao.... Average drop, higher value prop drop.......... But...... Lower price shoot up la........ laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Go get a life la!!
I'm showing u don't rely on those average data too much....... There may always a hidden agenda..... Get outside and experience those real life la.......
U really remind me of a joke....... tongue.gif tongue.gif
Teacher asked icemanfx to draw a chicken....
So icemanfx drew a chicken....... A chicken like those hanging in chicken rice store shop.....
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So icemanfx reply, I only kno dead chicken........ I've never seen a live chicken before mah.....
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Oh.. dun rely on average.. means property price still up..ohhhhhhh..
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Oh.. dun rely on average.. means property price still up..ohhhhhhh..
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For gd props at prime areas yes. For lousy areas gua dunno cos I dun buy those. Especially overbuilt product.
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Talking about overbuilt product, a friend of mine in authorities told me that he felt that KV developers are crazy. He said that when he saw few thousands of units planned in one km radius.
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What a logic. Of course only people who wanted to buy will fall for scam. If you don't buy, of course you won't meet these scammers. What has it got to do with UUU or DDD ? Usually those who fall into the trap are people who are greedy.

The DDD's impression of UUU is that they will buy indiscriminately, in a hurry, and afraid of missing the boat. Simply buy like grandfather's project meh ? Are DDD really that desperate to see property price to come down until their own illusion takes over their mind ?  doh.gif
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Nobody is saying all the UUU people do one thing or DDD people do another.

I repeat: My position is that UUU people are more likely to fall for it as they seem to be rushing into buying some properties.


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got new measure from penang. low cost owner, must stay at their house, else face prison ... sure or not ....

Selangor to follow ?

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When a currency is depreciating, it will increase the export for awhile, e.g to US.  After sometimes, it creates inflation in the home economy.  And also, those money they made from export may not come back, to avoid further depreciating.  Couple with forex debt, it will quite a challenging situation.

Btw, the ceo of maybank recently changed his stand on interest rate. Instead of earlier view that interest rate won't go up bcos of temporary situation, he views that interest could start going up in 2H.

I think some of the Developers will start some plans pending on the responses in the MAPEX, e.g new launch, postpone, sales, etc.
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A cheap currency is good for export hence could spurs the economy, but bad for domestic people consumption power aka purchasing power.

So always need to get the balance right, you want good economy that can be translated into increase of purchasing power as well.

For interest rate front, I do not think OPR is going to change much, as GDP growth is not as strong while inflation is all about push cost factor, that a rise in OPR/interest rate won't able to solve a cost push inflation situation.
With about 4~5% GDP growth, a slowing loan growth, BNM may not want to be more hawkish on interest rate, as a too significant rise in interest could kill the economy, by then it may harder to revive the economy back, once a wrong move being made.

So my pov, the most OPR may go, won't more than 0.25~0.5%. Bond market reaction to QE tapering generally has been calming down across. So the pressure from the bond market for OPR to increase generally has reduce substantially recently.

About property issue, not much comment on this part, but agree on slow transaction, less better response should be the situation, due to macro economy issue.
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2012: [(800k x10) + (400k x10)] /20 = 600k
2013: [(700k x8) + (500k x12)] /20 =580k
Like tat u more happy bo? Didn't change drastically Liao.... Average drop, higher value prop drop.......... But...... Lower price shoot up la........  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
Go get a life la!!
I'm showing u don't rely on those average data too much.......  There may always a hidden agenda..... Get outside and experience those real life la.......
U really remind me of a joke.......  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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So icemanfx drew a chicken....... A chicken like those hanging in chicken rice store shop.....
Teacher ask icemanfx why u draw a dead chicken?
So icemanfx reply, I only kno dead chicken........ I've never seen a live chicken before mah.....
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A cheap currency is good for export hence could spurs the economy, but bad for domestic people consumption power aka purchasing power.

So always need to get the balance right, you want good economy that can be translated into increase of purchasing power as well.

For interest rate front, I do not think OPR is going to change much, as GDP growth is not as strong while inflation is all about push cost factor, that a rise in OPR/interest rate won't able to solve a cost push inflation situation.
With about 4~5% GDP growth, a slowing loan growth, BNM may not want to be more hawkish on interest rate, as a too significant rise in interest could kill the economy, by then it may harder to revive the economy back, once a wrong   move being made.

So my pov, the most OPR may go, won't more than 0.25~0.5%. Bond market reaction to QE tapering generally has been calming down across. So the pressure from the bond market for OPR to increase generally has reduce substantially recently.

About property issue, not much comment on this part, but agree on slow transaction, less better response should be the situation, due to macro economy issue.
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I agreed that cheap currency is good for export and economy, but for short term only. That is what Japan is doing now for their own version of QE, to push up inflation. But for long term, the inflation will harm the economy because those essential, e.g. energy, raw materials will be more expensive.

As for the interest rate, despite all economists in the media have the consensus that rate should and will go up, maybank ceo was the only prominent one who disagreed previously. I do agree with his view on the cost push factor. But now he also changed his view. I supposed there is something there, maybe not disclosed to public.

As for the property prices, I think most people here are not the biggest factors that influence the outcome. All of them are right in their own stands. Some UUU taikos here feel the prices will never come down. They will be right if majority people are doing what they are doing: collect and not selling. For DDD, they are also right. If they are not buying and they are selling, prices should come down.

So, why are there slow transactions and stagnant prices now in the market ? It is because both of them are not the main stream at this point! I would guess that the main stream now is: holding or waiting.

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QUOTE(kochin @ Apr 9 2014, 08:41 AM)
our import is more expensive. export might benefit only certain parties. imported goods are consumed by majority. who knows we might be enjoying RM1 baskin robbins, RM299 iphones, RM39.99 levis jeans someday?

property cheaper to foreigners means depreciating asset to them. only applicable if they intend to stay permanently like mm2h program. eg. would you rather invest in vietnam or singapore yourself?

discourage import because of depreating RM? not good. i would rather the depreciation in import due to rise of standard and consumption of national goods. eg. old town kopitiam having bigger slice of the market than McDonalds



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A cheap currency is good for export hence could spurs the economy, but bad for domestic people consumption power aka purchasing power.

So always need to get the balance right, you want good economy that can be translated into increase of purchasing power as well.

For interest rate front, I do not think OPR is going to change much, as GDP growth is not as strong while inflation is all about push cost factor, that a rise in OPR/interest rate won't able to solve a cost push inflation situation.
With about 4~5% GDP growth, a slowing loan growth, BNM may not want to be more hawkish on interest rate, as a too significant rise in interest could kill the economy, by then it may harder to revive the economy back, once a wrong  move being made.

So my pov, the most OPR may go, won't more than 0.25~0.5%. Bond market reaction to QE tapering generally has been calming down across. So the pressure from the bond market for OPR to increase generally has reduce substantially recently.

About property issue, not much comment on this part, but agree on slow transaction, less better response should be the situation, due to macro economy issue.
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Classical example of where a cheap currency does not really work is Indonesia. On the other extreme, u have Australia who is suffering from a high currency.

You are right, balance is important.
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Calm down. smile.gif
Nobody is saying all the UUU people do one thing or DDD people do another.

I repeat: My position is that UUU people are more likely to fall for it as they seem to be rushing into buying some properties.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 9 2014, 09:46 AM)
A cheap currency is good for export hence could spurs the economy, but bad for domestic people consumption power aka purchasing power.

So always need to get the balance right, you want good economy that can be translated into increase of purchasing power as well.

For interest rate front, I do not think OPR is going to change much, as GDP growth is not as strong while inflation is all about push cost factor, that a rise in OPR/interest rate won't able to solve a cost push inflation situation.
With about 4~5% GDP growth, a slowing loan growth, BNM may not want to be more hawkish on interest rate, as a too significant rise in interest could kill the economy, by then it may harder to revive the economy back, once a wrong  move being made.

So my pov, the most OPR may go, won't more than 0.25~0.5%. Bond market reaction to QE tapering generally has been calming down across. So the pressure from the bond market for OPR to increase generally has reduce substantially recently.

About property issue, not much comment on this part, but agree on slow transaction, less better response should be the situation, due to macro economy issue.
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I echo same sentiments as cherroy
As a BBB investor, the inflation effect all driven by supply side ie. GST, imports so any increase in OPR will make things worse. Global bond markets has already fully priced in the QE tapering in 2H14 onwards. IMHO, BNM will rather use LTV 60% and 25 year loan tenure to curb speculative demands.
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It is the same DDD logic that UUU are more likely to buy expensive properties tongue.gif
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QUOTE(prody @ Apr 9 2014, 09:32 AM)
Calm down. smile.gif
Nobody is saying all the UUU people do one thing or DDD people do another.

I repeat: My position is that UUU people are more likely to fall for it as they seem to be rushing into buying some properties.
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Bro, do you spend thousands on 4d/6d? I will see those fall under the scam are people who think that free lunch will fall on them. nothing to do with UUU or DDD. Why they pay 10% deposit without signing S&P? what is so attractive?
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QUOTE(bcpbeancounter @ Apr 9 2014, 10:53 AM)
Bro, do you spend thousands on 4d/6d? I will see those fall under the scam are people who think that free lunch will fall on them. nothing to do with UUU or DDD. Why they pay 10% deposit without signing S&P? what is so attractive?
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Haha no.
I would buy a ticket once a year to check my luck.
If you check the odds for any lottery you will end up losing money 99.999% of the time if you play a lot.

You should ask them, not me. I guess they are in a rush.
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QUOTE(ahwai @ Apr 9 2014, 10:34 AM)
I echo same sentiments as cherroy
As a BBB investor, the inflation effect all driven by supply side ie. GST, imports so any increase in OPR will make things worse. Global bond markets has already fully priced in the QE tapering in 2H14 onwards.  IMHO, BNM will rather use LTV 60% and 25 year loan tenure to curb speculative demands.
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From recent rebate, discount, credit note, etc given by developers, lower ltv is more likely to push nominal price higher, i.e ineffective to curb speculation.

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QUOTE(bcpbeancounter @ Apr 9 2014, 11:02 AM)
There are people buying prop like buying 4d/6d? just tikam like that? good luck to them than...once a while i also buy 4d/6d...who know if i can retire early. But i consistently buy magnum shares.  tongue.gif
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Let's just say that the property buying situation has been a lot different from 2009-2013 compared to 2003-2007.
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QUOTE(edyek @ Apr 9 2014, 04:09 PM)
SCP so far so good. Am currently having a contracting works with them for their project in KK. Dont know about West Msia.

Commercial development fully sold. Soon to be completed.

Newly launch residential project sales also hoh hoh tiaw... Not sure about the % though...

*The good friend already on fire now... Still waiting explanation from the good friend...
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boss, means you can contra or get priority units from them for their next launch?
tolong cucuk sikit butiran mengenai dia orang punya wangsa maju project. kekeke.

am curious to find out, since they are from parking management company previously, would their car park layouts be super efficient?
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QUOTE(kochin @ Apr 9 2014, 04:13 PM)
boss, means you can contra or get priority units from them for their next launch?
tolong cucuk sikit butiran mengenai dia orang punya wangsa maju project. kekeke.

am curious to find out, since they are from parking management company previously, would their car park layouts be super efficient?
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biggrin.gif Boss, not sure can help you out or not, since most of the staff here is local and not familiar with West Msia project... Can try try ask but no guarantee...

So far, KK Times Square and Karamunsing Capital are well manage from what I heard... Got sikit sikit complain la, people never satisfy one... But I dont think its super efficient... Just well manage... cannot nick pick them and compare since no other car park company can compete with them locally.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 9 2014, 04:27 PM)
he will not divert.. he definitely will come back with a satisfactory explanation one..  can of course make your day..
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when is foreigner purchase price limit on bolehland property implemented?
what is the current limit and revised limit to be implemented? anyone?

isn't it illegal for Malaysian to hold dual citizenship in bolehland?
a friend of mine once told me that. he 'illegally' holds dual citizenship. while NZ approves him as a citizen, but bolehland will diwown him if they find out he is holding NZ citizenship.

anybody?


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more bankruptcy raising and more to come.. defaulters has yet to be listed.. bank negara should release the figures

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/259537


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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Apr 9 2014, 05:07 PM)
Oh no! The more u talk and more pic to show, more mistake u have, hi Australian, go check your comment on the new launch topic, those properties u said u bought are not million ringgit properties leh, some even less than 500k, since when foreigner can buy less than million property?? Or u are special one
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Bro, RM1.0 mln was in Budget 2014. Previous cap was only RM500K if I am not mistaken.
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Bro, RM1.0 mln was in Budget 2014.  Previous cap was only RM500K if I am not mistaken.
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Apr 9 2014, 06:29 PM)
MOG!

why so poor knowledge wan? Why let me kantoi u so many times?

Must your ic name same with your foreign passport?
If not same wat is the benefit?
U can buy 4 properties without kena ltv70%.

you multiply this with your wife ic and passport.
You can buy 8 without kena ltv 70%

On top of this u cannot buy using local company meah? Relative? Mother father sister brother your beighbour

So how many u can buy?

If you are aussie CPA.you have other buz...you plan your tax la. Legally ya. Cannot teach u. Lazy to type.

but ho...i tell you. I not buy many ma. I buy few only. Just uuu said i buy so many ma. I am not poor man. Not rich how to buy so many? tongue.gif jeolous tongue.gif

i am sale many. Not buy many wo. Bcs oversupply : thumbs:
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Bro, it was my impression that Banks do not give 90% financing to Foreigners and the Loan tenures are also shorter (not 20-years) to mitigate the 'Flight Risk'. Looks like I was wrong, Foreigners can also get 90% financing with good loan tenures. No wonder its UUU all the way so far.

QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Apr 9 2014, 06:36 PM)
Hi Australian, Suggest u quickly go and check your every single old comment, maybe got some proof u are pure Malaysian, quickly edit or delete faster b4 other people figure it out.
Errrr.... Wait, when u edit to proof u are ausie, how to explain your Msian IC that u shown b4???
Oh my god! U make me headache now, u go settle all your shit la, I don't know how to help u la, I have no eye see.
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I am pretty sure that Tikaram is a Malaysia. If u see some of his older post, he has disclosed some of his past. Unless he is so good that he lied from his very first post back in Nov 2011. But don't see what need he would have to do so.

For SPA, there should be 2 Original Copies

1 Original - kept by Developer
1 Original Copy for Purchaser

If u take a Bank Loan, The Bank will keep the Purchaser Original Copy as one of the Security Documents, together with the Land Title,e tc


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is there demand for second hand properties in kajang which cost 500k above excluding newly vacant properties?

i cant see these old properties are attractive.. i think new properties newly vp are better

any takers?

which is better? can old properties compete?

DSL Only (Kajang only not including new properties newly vp and not more than 700k save for palm walk 3)

http://www.propwall.my/classifieds/2047465...or-sale-by-yuki
RM500K

http://www.mudah.my/Taman+Harmoni+Zenia+Ka...70-26577806.htm
490K

http://www.propwall.my/classifieds/2037943...sale-by-sky-yap
RM750K

http://www.propwall.my/classifieds/2029818...e-by-louis-choy
RM665K

http://www.propwall.my/classifieds/2035011...le-by-wayne-fai
RM630K (22 X 75).. There are 4 types of house

http://www.propwall.my/classifieds/2050398...e-by-kenny-chin
RM550K (22 X 70)

http://www.propwall.my/classifieds/2010417...-by-vincent-ong
RM650K (22X27)

http://www.propwall.my/classifieds/1969927...sale-by-ty-quek
RM480K (20X 70)

semi D

http://www.propwall.my/classifieds/2006389...by-frankie-wong
RM470K

any ideas? i think in total maybe 2k to 3 k DSL in kajang only new ones... semenyih havent count yet.. bangi too.. havent include high rise and coming high rise..

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This year, dev can't meet their sale expectation. Soon blr will increase. Good luck to you all
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This year, dev can't meet their sale expectation. Soon blr will increase. Good luck to you all
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He's not even bothered to finish 4 more years to retire. And with his PR and 2 houses in Australia, he built himself a good retirement. rclxms.gif

So if the crew of a ship is bailing out, you better be quick on your heels for the exit too .... hahaha....

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http://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2014/03/hd...ation-requests/

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Someone need to press the button to save banana on fire  tongue.gif
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Wow look at how Singaporean view our property

http://www.moneysmart.sg/housing-property/...ty-in-malaysia/
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This article was written last march. With the new situation now in singapore and malaysia, i wonder those singaporean r more keen or less keen to come here ?

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http://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2014/03/hd...ation-requests/

COV & CUV hmm... very interesting term  cool2.gif
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looks like not only high end are under correction.. even HDB flats will possibly undergo correction too..

in fact, Mont kiara areas price already gone down.. just no article and data support but high end... desa park city price didn't go down but stagnant and turtling in price..

hope more to come.. Malaysia, time to copy cat Singapore..
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Apr 10 2014, 09:14 AM)
BBW our UUU & Uncle agent very ken one.

Singapore Price Up must follow, Singapore Price down make donno.  thumbup.gif
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this sentiments spread to Johor then whole Malaysia.. if I am flipping 1 property.. i be confused of the heading.. up or down market..
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This will be my final reminder. To those who insist on flaming each other, you will be reported. If you have issues with each other then please take them to PM or another thread. This thread was thrashed before and i wont allow it to happen again. Please respect the topic of the thread and others here who wish to gain some valuable insight on the property market. If you have something related to the topic then please share it, If not please refrain from commenting. I dont want 100 pages of flaming rubbish. Dont turn this thread into some crap market place.
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Topic closed until further notice, i.e. I scan through the topic and suspension is guaranteed like before!

p/s: might take a few days because of work schedule.
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Topic reopened, from my side I saw 48 pages; do I don't know normal forumer see how many pages. I tend to believe it is half or lesser than half.

Anyway, many will not be posting for a few days. Next suspension will be longer.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 10 2014, 09:17 AM)
ya lor dis one no good.. i really believe the drop in Singapore was confined to high end properties.. now even HDB also they touch.. means got sth wrong di..

this sentiments spread to Johor then whole Malaysia.. if I am flipping 1 property.. i be confused of the heading.. up or down market..
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Back to this side of the causeway, lwt hope govt can do something or else South Johor soon turn into North Singapore, personally I am against the idea of allowing foreigners to own our freehold land or property, this is dangerous.
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QUOTE(b00n @ Apr 10 2014, 04:41 PM)
Topic reopened, from my side I saw 48 pages; do I don't know normal forumer see how many pages. I tend to believe it is half or lesser than half.

Anyway, many will not be posting for a few days. Next suspension will be longer.
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What happened? Who and who and why and how?
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finally, this thread back to normal.
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i wonder who is missing liao?
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Reporting in.

I see 20 pages on my side.
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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Apr 10 2014, 07:39 PM)
Reporting in. 

I see 20 pages on my side.
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me too.. guess tikaram..edyek.. mant u.. huichyr..

this time.. thank you admin staff.. really deserve closing down.. respect that..

lets go back to property business

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 10 2014, 07:47 PM)
me too.. guess tikaram..edyek.. mant u.. huichyr..

this time.. thank you admin staff.. really deserve closing down.. respect that..

lets go back to property business
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New vp prop will not be release to market for sale in bulk due to rgpt.

For example, a prop vaue 600k was bought in 2011 and value 900k now. Rgpt of 20% of gross profit 300k is 60k.

This is equivalent to Monthly payment around 3k for 20 month

So if can rent for 2k which then reduce the payment to 1k only equivalent to 60 months n possible appreciation, why to take the lost now?
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QUOTE(kohts @ Apr 10 2014, 08:20 PM)
New vp prop will not be release to market for sale in bulk due to rgpt.

For example, a prop vaue 600k was bought in 2011 and value 900k now. Rgpt of 20% of gross profit 300k is 60k.

This is equivalent to Monthly payment around 3k for 20 month

So if can rent for 2k which then reduce the payment to 1k only equivalent to 60 months n possible appreciation, why to take the lost now?
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QUOTE(prody @ Apr 8 2014, 09:31 PM)
I'm sure they read it, but they of course prefer not to comment on it. They'd rather talk meaninglessly to move it down the thread so less people will notice it. I'd do the same if I were in their position.

However I am sometimes here just to provide an opposite argument. If I get 1 or 2 people to think longer before making one of the biggest decisions of their lives it's worth it already. smile.gif

Of course the scammers will have seen the BBB craze and take advantage of it. There must be more cases out there.
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I totally agree with you.
Sometimes these people didn't realise the childish things they said actually reflect their level of intelligence. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(SilverSpoon @ Apr 10 2014, 08:29 PM)
I totally agree with you.
Sometimes these people didn't realise the childish things they said actually reflect their level of intelligence.  biggrin.gif
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Same same lah. Price had run away from those who missed the boat. If you consider the decision not to buy property since 2009 is "intelligent", then you are bluffing yourself.

Extreme DDD is trying to console themselves whenever there are news remotely related to property bubble burst. If that would make the DDD feel better for their costly mistake, why not ? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 10 2014, 08:28 PM)
Bro dont get you .. can elobrate ah
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What he meant is if he sell now, he has to pay RM60k RPGT. Why not don't sell first but rent out for RM2k. Although his monthly installment is RM3k, minus RM2k rental, he still lose out RM1k pm. But he just need to wait another 24 months which will cost him RM24k. By the time he own the property for 5 years already, so he don't need to pay RPGT anymore. So he still save RM60k - RM24k = RM36k. And this is before the capital appreciation for the extra 2 years.

Not me say one. I just explain what he say tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 10 2014, 08:43 PM)
What he meant is if he sell now, he has to pay RM60k RPGT. Why not don't sell first but rent out for RM2k. Although his monthly installment is RM3k, minus RM2k rental, he still lose out RM1k pm. But he just need to wait another 24 months which will cost him RM24k. By the time he own the property for 5 years already, so he don't need to pay RPGT anymore. So he still save RM60k - RM24k = RM36k. And this is before the capital appreciation for the extra 2 years.

Not me say one. I just explain what he say  tongue.gif
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If the pay 2K rent from u might as well he pay 1K extra to own, if not 2K also enough to pay for quite decent house.

Not me says one, 8 years old kid ask me to tell u ... wakakaka
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Apr 10 2014, 08:49 PM)
If the pay 2K rent from u might as well he pay 1K extra to own,  if not 2K also enough to pay for quite decent house.

Not me says one,  8 years old kid ask me to tell u ... wakakaka
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If you are not in rental business, you will never understand the rental game and why people rent instead of buy. I have a tenant who pay even close to RM8k pm for a condo.

Go buy 1 apartment and rent it out. Then you will understand why people rent.
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 10 2014, 08:38 PM)
Same same lah. Price had run away from those who missed the boat. If you consider the decision not to buy property since 2009 is "intelligent", then you are bluffing yourself.

Extreme DDD is trying to console themselves whenever there are news remotely related to property bubble burst. If that would make the DDD feel better for their costly mistake, why not ?  tongue.gif
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U mean hong kong properties and singapore price drop is of a remote incideny?.. it is illogical for any grade of property to go down right?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 10 2014, 08:55 PM)
U mean hong kong properties and singapore price drop is of a remote incideny?.. it is illogical for any grade of property to go down right?
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No HK and Sg property price drop is engineered by their government. After 4-5 measures in 2 years, only can see some results. Yet no bubble burst for them

Ah Jib introduced measures just once last year. I thought it has effect. So I became DDD. But after 6 months, nothing happen. Ah Jib's measure no use. And he doesn't intend to introduce any further measures.

So you think malaysia will follow HK and Sg without further measures ?
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 10 2014, 08:53 PM)
If you are not in rental business, you will never understand the rental game and why people rent instead of buy. I have a tenant who pay even close to RM8k pm for a condo.

Go buy 1 apartment and rent it out. Then you will understand why people rent.
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Why.. I also rented out.. I have few long standing tenant.. one of them auditor petronas bought 3 properties 2 high rise and 1 landed in seremban anf puchong.. renting a room from ..

Coz of this? And potentially moving or buying house? Conserving drposits? Bancrupt...

that only applies in kl properties.. out of these cannot rent
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 10 2014, 09:00 PM)
Why.. I also rented out.. I have few long standing tenant.. one of them auditor petronas bought 3 properties 2 high rise and 1 landed in seremban anf puchong.. renting a room from ..

Coz of this? And potentially moving or buying house? Conserving drposits? Bancrupt...

that only applies in kl properties.. out of these cannot rent
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Bro, don't understand your comment. Jolokia was saying if tenant pay RM2k for rental, must as well he buy himself. I say he don't understand tenant's need. He has to be landlord to understand tenant's need

And what's your point ? Can't get what you trying to say
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 10 2014, 08:59 PM)
No HK and Sg property price drop is engineered by their government. After 4-5 measures in 2 years, only can see some results. Yet no bubble burst for them

Ah Jib introduced measures just once last year. I thought it has effect. So I became DDD. But after 6 months, nothing happen. Ah Jib's measure no use. And he doesn't intend to introduce any further measures.

So you think malaysia will follow HK and Sg without further measures ?
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But still property may drop in price.. crash? Correction in malaysia is ok di.. the current measures is slowing down the market.. long enough I mean vacant units..
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QUOTE(b00n @ Apr 10 2014, 04:41 PM)
Topic reopened, from my side I saw 48 pages; do I don't know normal forumer see how many pages. I tend to believe it is half or lesser than half.

Anyway, many will not be posting for a few days. Next suspension will be longer.
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Good job b00n. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 10 2014, 09:04 PM)
But still property may drop in price.. crash? Correction in malaysia is ok di.. the current measures is slowing down the market.. long enough I mean vacant units..
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The properties I aim to buy still do not come down in price. I just lost a good opportunity for not buying at current market price. And until today, I still feel sore mad.gif

Don't know about those kajang area you always mention. I target more matured area for rental income
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From the other thread;
QUOTE(MishimaZ @ Apr 10 2014, 05:33 PM)
Tenancy agreement, mortgages, fag flippers, MRT wannabe beliebers, DIBS DISS whatever those we called is the main driver of the frenzy.

But what happened to HK? O.o
Working as a civil engineer I can only say our fees are based on certain percentage of the construction costs, not selling costs. What we only see is a slight increase yearly instead of some 50% fees jump due to inflation and material prices and told by retarded agents and developers. Yes, anyone that uses these as excuses to pump up the price are retarded. GST included.

The only logic of these prize set to > 700k is developer maximize profit with herd mentality. Since flippers rampantly buy and sell at bought + interest + profit margin with DIBS (loopholes created by greedy eff devs and approved by greedy islamic and non islamic banks), developer might as well follow suit by selling the same way which in the end stripped off a lot affordability of buildings.

Soft launch Rm350k. Launch RM400k. During construction period jumped to RM450 to 500k. VP RM550k to 600k. Man, who don't want go for soft launch lol.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3188456/+120
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 10 2014, 09:04 PM)
Bro, don't understand your comment. Jolokia was saying if tenant pay RM2k for rental, must as well he buy himself. I say he don't understand tenant's need. He has to be landlord to understand tenant's need

And what's your point ? Can't get what you trying to say
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Disregard it.. I understand already.. 2k rental.. why not buy a unit?

coz the said tenant think can sub rent to other tenants.. so can cover cost of main tenancy.. and he/she can stay free or pay less and still retain power in d unit and larger space..

this is how I felt in d past as head tenant..

even then.. it must be a realistic.. 2k 2 rooms or 3 rooms service apart failed miserably
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 10 2014, 09:12 PM)
Disregard it.. I understand already.. 2k rental.. why not buy a unit?

coz the said tenant think can sub rent to other tenants.. so can cover cost of main tenancy.. and he/she can stay free or pay less and still retain power in d unit and larger space..

this is how I felt in d past as head tenant..

even then.. it must be a realistic.. 2k 2 rooms or 3 rooms service apart failed miserably
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Let's wait for him to clarify. I may be wrong
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 10 2014, 09:08 PM)
The properties I aim to buy still do not come down in price. I just lost a good opportunity for not buying at current market price. And until today, I still feel sore  mad.gif

Don't know about those kajang area you always mention. I target more matured area for rental income
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Mature arras are not of a concern.. outskirt such as kajang .. semenyih.. sg buloh.. high rises.. in kl or out are fuel with speculators.. correctiom crash comes from them if they are.. take a drive or browse net to see thosr areas
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From the other thread;
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I always wish the DDD camper are businessmen. Then we all have cheapest things to buy thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 10 2014, 08:43 PM)
What he meant is if he sell now, he has to pay RM60k RPGT. Why not don't sell first but rent out for RM2k. Although his monthly installment is RM3k, minus RM2k rental, he still lose out RM1k pm. But he just need to wait another 24 months which will cost him RM24k. By the time he own the property for 5 years already, so he don't need to pay RPGT anymore. So he still save RM60k - RM24k = RM36k. And this is before the capital appreciation for the extra 2 years.

Not me say one. I just explain what he say  tongue.gif
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Provided he can rent out for 2k and to sustain 24 months of 1k negative flow per month.

Believe many in the herd will behave the same and unlikely all the units will be tenanted. Some of those untenanted units will ended up in npl and auctioned. By the end of 5th year and a number of units sold under auction, those hold on will be lucky if their units didn't dropped below developer's price.

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 10 2014, 09:16 PM)
Mature arras are not of a concern.. outskirt such as kajang .. semenyih.. sg buloh.. high rises.. in kl or out are fuel with speculators.. correctiom crash comes from them if they are.. take a drive or browse net to see thosr areas
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Again, I am a micro person. Even if these property went empty for years, as long as the buyer got holding power, the bubble effect is negligible.

If you wish price to come down substantially, you got to expect

1. World economy experience severe recession, which will affect malaysia badly, or
2. Interest rate increase drastically over a short period of time, like >3%, or
3. government is really serious to introduce more measures, like LTV 50% for 2nd house, 0% for 3rd house, stamp duty 10% for 2nd house, RPGT 30% for all the years for 2nd house, etc or
4. The current government suddenly go bankrupt like Greece. Unemployment 25%, EPF coffer is empty, government default civil servant salary

Do you seriously the above to happen ?
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 10 2014, 09:23 PM)
Provided he can rent out for 2k and to sustain 24 months of 1k negative flow per month.

Believe many in the herd will behave the same and unlikely all the units will be tenanted. Some of those untenanted units will ended up in npl and auctioned. By the end of 5th year and a number of units sold under auction, those hold on will be lucky if their units didn't dropped below developer's price.
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So what if a guy manages to lease out at a price higher than all his expenses? Cash flow positive.
So what if a guy manages to lease out at a price lower than all his expenses? Cash flow negative.
So what if a guy does not manages to lease out his unit. Big cash flow negative.

You win some, you lose some.

Depends on the guy finance lor. If the guy still can afford to hold with cash flow negative, no problem.
If got problem, padan muka sendiri lor.

What is the big deal?

Just let the guy be lor. How does that affect us whether he makes or don't make money?

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 10 2014, 09:23 PM)
Provided he can rent out for 2k and to sustain 24 months of 1k negative flow per month.

Believe many in the herd will behave the same and unlikely all the units will be tenanted. Some of those untenanted units will ended up in npl and auctioned. By the end of 5th year and a number of units sold under auction, those hold on will be lucky if their units didn't dropped below developer's price.
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You and me can guess whatever will happen in 5th year. But now, as at now 10/4/2014, the property market is still standing strong. I am trying to convince myself price will come down so my rental return % will increase. But all indication we can see say otherwise.

I think I am more objective because while I wanted the price to come down, I still don't see any indication of bubble bursting. On the other hand, while all indication of bubble burst is not there, you refuse to admit it. Sit down and think objectively as a neutral person. Could it be that the DDD camper are trying to avoid admitting their mistake since 2009 ?

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Apr 10 2014, 08:49 PM)
If the pay 2K rent from u might as well he pay 1K extra to own,  if not 2K also enough to pay for quite decent house.

Not me says one,  8 years old kid ask me to tell u ... wakakaka
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The property value now 900k. 800K loan will need 4k per month with 3k for interest and up front 100k. New launch 1 mil nearby. Afraid of correctio or maybe upcoming chance for prima homes.

2K rental is just 2.4 %, lower than loan interest rate, a couple or 2 to 3 friends share with facilities, security and good life while scanning n waiting as recomended by ddd, why not. Free from parents nagging also

In a way, ddd sentiment help rental market.
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 10 2014, 09:35 PM)
You and me can guess whatever will happen in 5th year. But now, as at now 10/4/2014, the property market is still standing strong. I am trying to convince myself price will come down so my rental return % will increase. But all indication we can see say otherwise.

I think I am more objective because while I wanted the price to come down, I still don't see any indication of bubble bursting. On the other hand, while all indication of bubble burst is not there, you didn't see it. Sit down and think objectively as a neutral person. Could it be that the DDD camper are trying to avoid their mistake since 2009 ?
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Bro, not all man are created the same.

Not all properties are created the same.

While u see the prop u like increase in prices, many saw their desired prop stagnant or drop in prices. I would speculate that the prop that u r aiming will be the last to fall in price.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 10 2014, 09:23 PM)
Provided he can rent out for 2k and to sustain 24 months of 1k negative flow per month.

Believe many in the herd will behave the same and unlikely all the units will be tenanted. Some of those untenanted units will ended up in npl and auctioned. By the end of 5th year and a number of units sold under auction, those hold on will be lucky if their units didn't dropped below developer's price.
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Its 1k only la. If couple 500 onli.
Is it that high risk of amount?
Tell your pa, ma, friends, aunty, uncle etc etx if sell now rpgt kao kao, can help half only ah.
Or change car which is depreciating fast fast.
So many ways

Then risk reduce even more

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Apr 10 2014, 09:41 PM)
Bro, not all man are created the same.

Not all properties are created the same. 

While u see the prop u like increase in prices, many saw their desired prop stagnant or drop in prices. I would speculate that the prop that u r aiming will be the last to fall in price.
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Which area in KV is decreasing ? I may want to research into the area. There could be some dead chicken there. I still haven't heard prices fall by a margin big enough to be reported in the news
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QUOTE(kohts @ Apr 10 2014, 09:41 PM)
The property value now 900k. 800K loan will need 4k per month with 3k for interest and up front 100k. New launch 1 mil nearby. Afraid of correctio or maybe upcoming chance for prima homes.

2K rental is just 2.4 %, lower than loan interest rate, a couple or 2 to 3 friends share with facilities, security and good life while scanning n waiting as recomended by ddd, why not. Free from parents nagging also

In a way, ddd sentiment help rental market.
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Of course la for now if the prop value is 600k while it is 450k 3 years before dev price, just adjust the maths accordingly for even more affordable option as rental 1.5k example n blah blah.

So why the hurry to sell? Rgpt is so expensive......

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QUOTE(kochin @ Apr 10 2014, 09:30 PM)
So what if a guy manages to lease out at a price higher than all his expenses? Cash flow positive.
So what if a guy manages to lease out at a price lower than all his expenses? Cash flow negative.
So what if a guy does not manages to lease out his unit. Big cash flow negative.

You win some, you lose some.

Depends on the guy finance lor. If the guy still can afford to hold with cash flow negative, no problem.
If got problem, padan muka sendiri lor.

What is the big deal?

Just let the guy be lor. How does that affect us whether he makes or don't make money?
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No problem.. if the guy buying from developer are suffering from these problem I.e negative cash flow.. dont you think the next buyers absorbing the high pricewith no freebies are more worst on the othrr end?

And the loan sum vs potential rental is not realistic at all
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QUOTE(b00n @ Apr 10 2014, 04:41 PM)
Topic reopened, from my side I saw 48 pages; do I don't know normal forumer see how many pages. I tend to believe it is half or lesser than half.

Anyway, many will not be posting for a few days. Next suspension will be longer.
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Thanks, the thread is actually readable like this.
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Its 1k only la. If couple 500 onli.
Is it that high risk of amount?
Tell your pa, ma, friends, aunty, uncle etc etx if sell now rpgt kao kao, can help half only ah.
Or change car which is depreciating fast fast.
So many ways

Then risk reduce even more
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I have laid out a calculation.. for this.. the reason for not holding the said prop is because there is no prospective inctease in the property after the initial boost I.e 500k to 750k..

dat y even bearing the pain to pay RPGT also they will sell.. they are call low end flippers.. there are rare long term investors in residi property espevially outskirt and non mature areas...

in actual fact example above.. 750k cannot go up sumore but mere turtling naik a bit by bit.. after they service their loan..

the after math of 750k example above is it will not go up to 1 million even after 5 years.. dat y they want to sell it off even rpgt pain..

the holding cost I.e loan servicing 2.2k monthly for 500k prop for 35 years.. only cost

2.2k x 12months x 5 years= Rm 132k only for 5 years.. take into account interest flactuation most 180k.. the property stops at 750k boost.. if can boost up to 1 million.. I dun see why there is a need to sell.. even after 5 years..

I.e 750k to 1 million after 5 years= 250k profit
250k profit -180k cost holding= extra 60k profit... on top of 250k profit from 500k to 750k..

they themsrlves dont forsee increase in d next 5 years dat y choose to pay RPGT and dispose early possible..
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QUOTE(kochin @ Apr 10 2014, 09:30 PM)
So what if a guy manages to lease out at a price higher than all his expenses? Cash flow positive.
So what if a guy manages to lease out at a price lower than all his expenses? Cash flow negative.
So what if a guy does not manages to lease out his unit. Big cash flow negative.

You win some, you lose some.

Depends on the guy finance lor. If the guy still can afford to hold with cash flow negative, no problem.
If got problem, padan muka sendiri lor.

What is the big deal?

Just let the guy be lor. How does that affect us whether he makes or don't make money?
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If large enough number of untenanted units go under auction, both transacted price and rental will be lower, more borderline herd will become npl and go auction, and sending price and rental even lower.

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The property value now 900k. 800K loan will need 4k per month with 3k for interest and up front 100k. New launch 1 mil nearby. Afraid of correctio or maybe upcoming chance for prima homes.

2K rental is just 2.4 %, lower than loan interest rate, a couple or 2 to 3 friends share with facilities, security and good life while scanning n waiting as recomended by ddd, why not. Free from parents nagging also

In a way, ddd sentiment help rental market.
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QUOTE(kohts @ Apr 10 2014, 09:44 PM)
Its 1k only la. If couple 500 onli.
Is it that high risk of amount?
Tell your pa, ma, friends, aunty, uncle etc etx if sell now rpgt kao kao, can help half only ah.
Or change car which is depreciating fast fast.
So many ways

Then risk reduce even more
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Provided interest rate remained unchanged. For every 1% interest rate rise, 700k balance will cost 580 extra per month.

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Which area in KV is decreasing ? I may want to research into the area. There could be some dead chicken there. I still haven't heard prices fall by a margin big enough to be reported in the news
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I dun know whether those ads in property platforms r real or not, I do see many in KLCC, cheras, bukit jalil are stagnant in price or fall a bit.

When there is more and more VP in the market, the pressure to sell will become higher. From physics, a system can stand certain pressure or stress. When the stress exceeded the limit, it will burst. For now, I would think that stress is contained. If more unpresent events occurs again, I think trouble will come.

Btw, our property market is more complex that a steady state system. It is similar to dynamics system, where conditions and factors keep changing.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 10 2014, 10:23 PM)
If large enough number of untenanted units go under auction, both transacted price and rental will be lower, more borderline herd will become npl and go auction, and sending price and rental even lower.
Provided interest rate remained unchanged. For every 1% interest rate rise, 700k balance will cost 580 extra per month.
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Dude, as it is, I think our rental rates are low enough liao.
Any lower and I would concur no point buying, might as well rent anywhere you like.

Our hotel rates are one of the lowest in the world for services rendered. Far behind places like India, Indonesia or Thailand.
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Simple math no need make complexla...

Sound calculation why you will not see props flooding the market due to rpgt cost.

Global econ sentiment is improving, party time startingliao, gst coming n etc and high income and develop nation 2020

Interest naik no impact as

Even push more people to rent at 2.4 percent of prop value.
Bank normally allow owner to pay same amount at lomger period. If you are good payee even better for them.

sorry if make someone cannot sleep as i just couldnt resist sharing this perspective

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Apr 10 2014, 10:45 PM)
I dun know whether those ads in property platforms r real or not, I do see many in KLCC, cheras, bukit jalil are stagnant in price or fall a bit. 

When there is more and more VP in the market, the pressure to sell will become higher. From physics, a system can stand certain pressure or stress. When the stress exceeded the limit, it will burst. For now, I would think that stress is contained. If more unpresent events occurs again, I think trouble will come.

Btw, our property market is more complex that a steady state system. It is similar to dynamics system, where conditions and factors keep changing.
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Interesting.
So are places like ttdi, pj, dp on uptrend still?
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Interesting.
So are places like ttdi, pj, dp on uptrend still?
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Sorry boss, I don't keep track on those areas.
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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Apr 10 2014, 10:51 PM)
Sorry boss, I don't keep track on those areas.
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i think those are mature areas and price are stagnant or move a little bit up.their stagnant are of very high price all together..

however, general the property which was badly speculated are newly launched and mostly post 2010.. and of which most middle class and lower class are seeking..
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QUOTE(kohts @ Apr 10 2014, 10:48 PM)
Simple math no need make complexla...

Sound calculation why you will not see props flooding the market due to rpgt cost.

Global econ sentiment is improving, party time startingliao, gst coming n etc and high income and develop nation 2020

Interest naik no impact as

Even push more people to rent at 2.4 percent of prop value.
Bank normally allow owner to pay same amount at lomger period. If you are good payee even better for them.

sorry if make someone cannot sleep as i just couldnt resist sharing this perspective
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That depends on your current position and immediate strategy. Of course, u can do a good calculations. But as a number person myself, I know of no formula that will predict the future.
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Now i must be uuu reservist after all taikor not around. I keep my mouth shut.

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 10 2014, 10:55 PM)
i think those are mature areas and price are stagnant or move a little bit up.their stagnant are of very high price all together..

however, general the property which was badly speculated are newly launched and mostly post 2010.. and of which most middle class and lower class are seeking..
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Bingo!

Bro, now u get it! Not all property are created the same!
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QUOTE(kohts @ Apr 10 2014, 10:57 PM)
Now i must be uuu reservist after all taikor not around. I keep my mouth shut.
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There is nothing wrong to be in either camp. Just dun let your opinion closed your mind. Everybody is entitled of their view. Let the market prove whether u r right or wrong.
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Bingo!

Bro, now u get it! Not all property are created the same!
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next time we have to put exclusion clause..the whole arguements on DDD was targeted mainly at properties within the working class "radar" i.e 400k.. 300k.. 500k.. 600k.. and 700k..

the corection/crash will start from these areas which are mass in supplies and high inprices..

bro gs, you also grab one for home stay and go cruise along in kajang area .. see whether these house amaze you or not..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 10 2014, 11:02 PM)
next time we have to put exclusion clause..the whole arguements on DDD was targeted mainly at properties within the working class "radar" i.e 400k.. 300k.. 500k.. 600k.. and 700k..

the corection/crash will start from these areas which are mass in supplies and high inprices..

bro gs, you also grab one for home stay and go cruise along in kajang area .. see whether these house amaze you or not..
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I do understand how it works from developers, investors, and homeowners stand points. It depends on how u define burst. If burst means quick price fall, then there is only one future event that will trigger it: the trapped flippers. If this does not do it, the prices, if fall at all, will be like singapore and hk, controlled and gradual. After all, prop price has pressure to go up.

I do hv friend who bought jh, palmwalk, etc. They also thought the prices are crazy, altho they live in it.

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QUOTE(kohts @ Apr 10 2014, 10:48 PM)
Simple math no need make complexla...

Sound calculation why you will not see props flooding the market due to rpgt cost.

Global econ sentiment is improving, party time startingliao, gst coming n etc and high income and develop nation 2020

Interest naik no impact as

Even push more people to rent at 2.4 percent of prop value.
Bank normally allow owner to pay same amount at lomger period. If you are good payee even better for them.

sorry if make someone cannot sleep as i just couldnt resist sharing this perspective
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Global economy sentiment improving means qe tapering, interest rate increase and hot money leaving the country i.e less liquidity.

In the event that interest rate rise, bank may extend loan tenure only if tenure and credit limit is not at maximum.

If borrower believe interest rate rise will have no impact is a disaster waiting to happen.

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Apr 10 2014, 11:13 PM)
I do understand how it works from developers, investors, and homeowners stand points. It depends on how u define burst. If burst means quick price fall, then there is only one future event that will trigger it: the trapped flippers. If this does not do it, the prices, if fall at all, will be like singapore and hk, controlled and gradual. After all, prop price has pressure to go up.

I do hv friend who bought jh, palmwalk, etc. They also thought the prices are crazy, altho they live in it.
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plam walk is a good buy..but 750k bit over my limits.. stretched...
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 10 2014, 11:40 PM)
Global economy sentiment improving means qe tapering, interest rate increase and hot money leaving the country i.e less liquidity.

In the event that interest rate rise, bank may extend loan tenure only if tenure and credit limit is not at maximum.

If borrower believe interest rate rise will have no impact is a disaster waiting to happen.
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When global economy is improving also mean that company potentially post higher profit that able to offset with the expenses increased, in ur case is the higher interest rate. One thing go up everything related will also follow it footstep and this happen very efficient without much effort needed.
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QUOTE(kradun @ Apr 11 2014, 12:57 AM)
When global economy is improving also mean that company potentially post higher profit that able to offset with the expenses increased, in ur case is the higher interest rate. One thing go up everything related will also follow it footstep and this happen very efficient without much effort needed.
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True but income is unlikely will rise fast enough to cover additional interest payment.
For 2% interest rate rise on 500k balance, additional interest payment is about 830 per month.

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 10 2014, 10:20 PM)
I have laid out a calculation.. for this.. the reason for not holding the said prop is because there is no prospective inctease in the property after the initial boost I.e 500k to 750k..

dat y even bearing the pain to pay RPGT also they will sell.. they are call low end flippers.. there are rare long term investors in residi property espevially outskirt and non  mature  areas...

in actual fact example above.. 750k cannot go up sumore but mere turtling naik a bit by bit.. after they service their loan..

the after math of 750k example above is it will not go up to 1 million even after 5 years.. dat y they want to sell it off even rpgt pain..

the holding cost I.e loan servicing 2.2k monthly for 500k prop for 35 years.. only cost

2.2k x 12months x 5 years= Rm 132k only for 5 years.. take into account interest flactuation most 180k.. the property stops at 750k boost.. if can boost up to 1 million.. I dun see why there is a need to sell.. even after 5 years..

I.e 750k to 1 million after 5 years= 250k profit
250k profit -180k cost holding= extra 60k profit... on top of 250k profit from 500k to 750k..

they themsrlves dont forsee increase in d next 5 years dat y choose to pay RPGT and dispose early possible..
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you know that you basically describing a flipper. flippers naturally won't hold any property for long right after VP, that is why they are called flippers. they do not think of future value appreciation, just wan't to make a killing as quick as possible
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From the other thread;
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Ask developer to list down all costs per item. Then should be able to see how much they have cheated on buyers.
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If all businessmen have perfect business ethics, then teh tarik won't increase by 10 sen when sugar price increase by 10 sen per kg  doh.gif

I always wish the DDD camper are businessmen. Then we all have cheapest things to buy  thumbup.gif
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How do you know not all ddd are businessmen? Do you mean all uuu are in business?
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You and me can guess whatever will happen in 5th year. But now, as at now 10/4/2014, the property market is still standing strong. I am trying to convince myself price will come down so my rental return % will increase. But all indication we can see say otherwise.

I think I am more objective because while I wanted the price to come down, I still don't see any indication of bubble bursting. On the other hand, while all indication of bubble burst is not there, you refuse to admit it. Sit down and think objectively as a neutral person. Could it be that the DDD camper are trying to avoid admitting their mistake since 2009 ?
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Fyi there is no mistake by ddd to stay sideline. When ddd is not facing the risk of losing a cent without stepping a foot in the games, what mistake do you think they have made?
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Fyi there is no mistake by ddd to stay sideline. When ddd is not facing the risk of losing a cent without stepping a foot in the games, what mistake do you think they have made?
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they make a big mistake of unable to retire at young age (below 50).
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Buying at age 25 after graduation and take up a loan for 35 years. That will put you in debt till 60.
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Buying at age 25 after graduation and take up a loan for 35 years. That will put you in debt till 60.
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yes understood... but this is after 2010 case.

but youngster now very clever... they dun buy but prefer to rent... they are aim for their dream house at reasonable price according to them. that is y, rental play market still very gd.

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How much do you need to retire by 50 y.o? How many units need to flip to reach this amount?


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How much do you need to retire by 50 y.o? How many units need to flip to reach this amount?
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retired not mean sit at home and waiting for D-day to come la.. my retire mean any time can fire boss and do whatever u interested to do and still got abit income/part time. i think 3mil enuf kua.
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yes understood... but this is after 2010 case.

but youngster now very clever... they dun buy but prefer to rent... they are aim for their dream house at reasonable price according to them. that is y, rental play market still very gd.
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If they don't buy but rent, how to make $ in property to retire early?

QUOTE(sampool @ Apr 11 2014, 07:30 AM)
retired not mean sit at home and waiting for D-day to come la.. my retire mean any time can fire boss and do whatever u interested to do and still got abit income/part time. i think 3mil enuf kua.
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How do they intend to accumulate 3m?

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yes understood... but this is after 2010 case.

but youngster now very clever... they dun buy but prefer to rent... they are aim for their dream house at reasonable price according to them. that is y, rental play market still very gd.
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So still 60 year old. Case closed.
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If they don't buy but rent, how to make $ in property to retire early?
How do they intend to accumulate 3m?
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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Apr 10 2014, 10:45 PM)
I dun know whether those ads in property platforms r real or not, I do see many in KLCC, cheras, bukit jalil are stagnant in price or fall a bit. 

When there is more and more VP in the market, the pressure to sell will become higher. From physics, a system can stand certain pressure or stress. When the stress exceeded the limit, it will burst. For now, I would think that stress is contained. If more unpresent events occurs again, I think trouble will come.

Btw, our property market is more complex that a steady state system. It is similar to dynamics system, where conditions and factors keep changing.
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Perhaps I should look at some sub-prime properties. But why should even DDD look at sub-prime property ? DDD buying properties just because it is cheap ? That is number 1 mistake in property investment. Property is all about location. Even if it is cheaper than before, not necessary it is a good buy

As to the pressure and stress on property market, from my point of view, I can feel those quality properties I look at do not have pressure to come down. Instead, it is ready to rise again. For these properties, the owner's acquisition price is probably half of the current market value. Whereas the rental has appreciated. So, they are cashflow positive property. The owner has no pressure to come down to meet my price at all

Perhaps DDD and my target property is different. That created so much difference in opinion. But if DDD are targeting those properties that is so prone to even slight market movement, DDD should think again whether you are targeting the right properties.
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How do you know not all ddd are businessmen? Do you mean all uuu are in business?
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No lah boss. I don't mean all UUU are in business, nor DDD are not businessmen.

I just saying all businessmen are looking after their own pocket. I WISH the DDD like iceman and the person who iceman quoted are businessman
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Fyi there is no mistake by ddd to stay sideline. When ddd is not facing the risk of losing a cent without stepping a foot in the games, what mistake do you think they have made?
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To me in this world, not advancing = walking backward. With inflation, you will be losing out. Just 5 years ago, a DSL in prime KV is just RM400k-RM500k. Now you are lucky to find one at RM800k. That to me is a big mistake

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 11 2014, 07:57 AM)
To me in this world, not advancing = walking backward. With inflation, you will be losing out. Just 5 years ago, a DSL in prime KV is just RM400k-RM500k. Now you are lucky to find one at RM800k. That to me is a big mistake

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 11 2014, 07:57 AM)
To me in this world, not advancing = walking backward. With inflation, you will be losing out. Just 5 years ago, a DSL in prime KV is just RM400k-RM500k. Now you are lucky to find one at RM800k. That to me is a big mistake

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But the rise has been large due to loans, and not any exponential growth in incomes. Will this situation sustain? Agree about the non advancing bit though.
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 11 2014, 07:48 AM)
Perhaps I should look at some sub-prime properties. But why should even DDD look at sub-prime property ? DDD buying properties just because it is cheap ? That is number 1 mistake in property investment. Property is all about location. Even if it is cheaper than before, not necessary it is a good buy

As to the pressure and stress on property market, from my point of view, I can feel those quality properties I look at do not have pressure to come down. Instead, it is ready to rise again. For these properties, the owner's acquisition price is probably half of the current market value. Whereas the rental has appreciated. So, they are cashflow positive property. The owner has no pressure to come down to meet my price at all

Perhaps DDD and my target property is different. That created so much difference in opinion. But if DDD are targeting those properties that is so prone to even slight market movement, DDD should think again whether you are targeting the right properties.
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Hi bro, finally u and bear come to certain agreement.

QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 10 2014, 11:02 PM)
next time we have to put exclusion clause..the whole arguements on DDD was targeted mainly at properties within the working class "radar" i.e 400k.. 300k.. 500k.. 600k.. and 700k..

the corection/crash will start from these areas which are mass in supplies and high inprices..

bro gs, you also grab one for home stay and go cruise along in kajang area .. see whether these house amaze you or not..
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But the rise has been large due to loans, and not any exponential growth in incomes. Will this situation sustain? Agree about the non advancing bit though.
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In my opinion, BNM and banks in malaysia has enough rules and regulation to scrutinize loan approvals. So, loans given out to buy properties are backed by the income rules. Everybody in this forum know getting loan is not as easy as buying an Ipad. I suspect the boom in loan is due to more double income families. So the growth in income is effectively ~100%, ie 2 person buying 1 property. Yes, 100% is exponential growth and I think the situation will sustain

Of course there are flippers who manipulate the banks. But realistically, how many % of those ? These are the bad guys, so the number is the same as those who are willing to commit crime we see in newspaper.
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Hi bro, finally u and bear come to certain agreement.
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Ya all these while our assumption is different to begin with. DDD always thought UUU are flippers. UUU always think DDD don't own any properties before.

But all in all, DDD thinks the whole of the market will crash. Whereas UUU think the whole of the market will not crash. That is the centre of the arguments which makes things interesting thumbup.gif
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Other solution for loans growth is to increase income in together with vision 2020 and improve global economy situation.

Gradual tightening of funds is to balance income and loan. As it is hardly a sudden shock and such news has been around for 1 year, investors has already factor in this news in an efficient market and taken necessary stratergy.

Easy credit and exponential growth period has temporary ended, yet my humble opinion is that it is not an downwards spiral but stabilizing with normal growth like a blue chip, supported by increase cost, interest rate and inflation.

At the moment, rent or purchase is both viable with pros n cons.

In my opinion, landed prop in strategic location and some of the older ones is an attractive proposition compare to newly launched condos. Mmm still considering.
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Other solution for loans growth is to increase income in together with vision 2020 and improve global economy situation.

Gradual tightening of funds is to balance income and loan. As it is hardly a sudden shock and such news has been around for 1 year, investors has already factor in this news in an efficient market and taken necessary stratergy.

Easy credit and exponential growth period has temporary ended, yet my humble opinion is that it is not an downwards spiral but stabilizing with normal growth like a blue chip, supported by increase cost, interest rate and inflation.

At the moment, rent or purchase is both viable with pros n cons.

In my opinion, landed prop in strategic location and some of the older ones is an attractive proposition compare to newly launched condos. Mmm still considering.
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 11 2014, 08:27 AM)
In my opinion, BNM and banks in malaysia has enough rules and regulation to scrutinize loan approvals. So, loans given out to buy properties are backed by the income rules. Everybody in this forum know getting loan is not as easy as buying an Ipad. I suspect the boom in loan is due to more double income families. So the growth in income is effectively ~100%, ie 2 person buying 1 property. Yes, 100% is exponential growth and I think the situation will sustain

Of course there are flippers who manipulate the banks. But realistically, how many % of those ? These are the bad guys, so the number is the same as those who are willing to commit crime we see in newspaper.
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growth is all based on the massive amount of money banks released.

Basically central bank released money is like tsunami

during the
1998 Asia financial crisis = fueled by european banks
2008 US subprime crisis = fueled by US banks
next one ?? = fueled by China massive money printing.

Realistically, our country growth is fueled by local bank debts, increasing by about RM 100bil per year since najib came into power.


these money flowed into all sectors, shares, properties, cars, corporate loans, etc.....

You can ask around businessman, excluding their profits from properties, did their income increase ??

the average joe is feeling the pinch from rising cost of living, currency depreciation, impending GST, utilities increase,
the rich is getting richer on paper due to increase of property prices.

so how long can this continue ??



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Is something happening in Bukit Jalil, the area nearest to Kesas coming from OUG? From all the development thats taking place or will take place there, is there some master plan in the making?

Berjaya is heavily invested there through a number of their high end condos near the golf course. Gov has located 2 new LRT stations here. Plus Paradigm 2, Pavillion 2 & Jusco shopping malls are due to begin construction end 2014-2015.

Anybody with any view?
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Sign of property trouble in China? The smart ones get out early?

And Asia as well?

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Recovery in the US ??

please read this article

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-10/u...sing-370-stores

Commercial retail business is going down badly in US since 2008 crash.

And then we are doing the reverse even without increase in "real" income.
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Sign of property trouble in China? The smart ones get out early?

And Asia as well?

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30% below previously asked price.......

please la go there sapu.....cheap man, 30% below market price laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 11 2014, 07:48 AM)
Perhaps I should look at some sub-prime properties. But why should even DDD look at sub-prime property ? DDD buying properties just because it is cheap ? That is number 1 mistake in property investment. Property is all about location. Even if it is cheaper than before, not necessary it is a good buy

As to the pressure and stress on property market, from my point of view, I can feel those quality properties I look at do not have pressure to come down. Instead, it is ready to rise again. For these properties, the owner's acquisition price is probably half of the current market value. Whereas the rental has appreciated. So, they are cashflow positive property. The owner has no pressure to come down to meet my price at all

Perhaps DDD and my target property is different. That created so much difference in opinion. But if DDD are targeting those properties that is so prone to even slight market movement, DDD should think again whether you are targeting the right properties.
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To me in this world, not advancing = walking backward. With inflation, you will be losing out. Just 5 years ago, a DSL in prime KV is just RM400k-RM500k. Now you are lucky to find one at RM800k. That to me is a big mistake

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In my opinion, BNM and banks in malaysia has enough rules and regulation to scrutinize loan approvals. So, loans given out to buy properties are backed by the income rules. Everybody in this forum know getting loan is not as easy as buying an Ipad. I suspect the boom in loan is due to more double income families. So the growth in income is effectively ~100%, ie 2 person buying 1 property. Yes, 100% is exponential growth and I think the situation will sustain

Of course there are flippers who manipulate the banks. But realistically, how many % of those ? These are the bad guys, so the number is the same as those who are willing to commit crime we see in newspaper.
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Fed, bank of England, etc have more competent people than bnm and yet their banks could get into trouble. Similar could happen to local banks also.
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Sign of property trouble in China? The smart ones get out early?

And Asia as well?

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U moved already ?
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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Apr 11 2014, 08:57 AM)
Superman Lee always has insight before all others! He is rarely wrong.

U moved already ?
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it's like going for party, your friends are all drunk but you are still awake....
then you see something wrong outside, police gonna raid soon.......
tried to pull your friends out, but they are still drunk and wanna party......

what can you do ?
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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Apr 11 2014, 08:57 AM)
Superman Lee always has insight before all others! He is rarely wrong.

U moved already ?
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Nothing to move in China for me. Ha.

Locally, already moved back in 2004! Ha. Too early! Must be something wrong with my property compass!

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Apr 11 2014, 08:19 AM)
Hi bro, finally u and bear come to certain agreement.
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actually they know lahh they are heavily invested in these areas.. simply saying supply and demand theory.. mature areas for rental..

like this those new projects got keys and yellow tags all the way who bough? not you and me.. not man u.. not amaya.. who else?

mature areas got developments? even there are or the existing one, they are mad.. those price even with entry price also so high above bypassing working class requirement..

it funny too.. those ppl keep saying rental.. but dont want to play flats..
that leaves service apartment ,condo.. DSL.. dont tell me want to play rental on Semi-D's and bunglows and penthouse lor..

other than service apartments, condo and DSL.. which now also getting very depressing and disturbing rentals.. what kind of of this?

these owners or flippers are mostly here to promote what they have bought..
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no need.. they will say Malaysia property is relatively low and cheap.. wont crash.. but if you dun buy they will increase 10 to 20% by 2015.. agent told me one...

they will say China's population lower than us.. thus demand also lower than us.. all china ppl choose malaysia
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 11 2014, 09:12 AM)
no need.. they will say Malaysia property is relatively low and cheap.. wont crash.. but if you dun buy they will increase 10 to 20% by 2015.. agent told me one...

they will say China's population lower than us.. thus demand also lower than us.. all china ppl choose malaysia
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Talking about this, an interesting read during free time:

The Malaysianised Big Mac Index

https://my.news.yahoo.com/malaysianised-big...-031736053.html

It does give some ideas on affordability.
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Talking about this, an interesting read during free time:

The Malaysianised Big Mac Index

https://my.news.yahoo.com/malaysianised-big...-031736053.html

It does give some ideas on affordability.
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Only people with vested interest and rarely travel outside claim things in Malaysia are more affordable.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 11 2014, 09:37 AM)
Only people with vested interest and rarely travel outside claim things in Malaysia are more affordable.
Exactly. Anybody who has spent some time overseas would know that Malaysia is actually quite an expensive place to live in when you take in the income to spending ratio into consideration. But you gotta thank the Gov for that. Their brainwashing and indoctrination over the years has worked quite well especially with the Gov servants.
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Same goes to people who hv relatives or friends staying abroad.
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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Apr 11 2014, 09:32 AM)
Talking about this, an interesting read during free time:

The Malaysianised Big Mac Index

https://my.news.yahoo.com/malaysianised-big...-031736053.html

It does give some ideas on affordability.
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later ppl say DDD taking remote example and not related to property.. better keep it low...
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later ppl say DDD taking remote example and not related to property.. better keep it low...
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Ask developer to list down all costs per item. Then should be able to see how much they have cheated on buyers.
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Cannot la.... Do you think BQs are all in 5-10 pages meh..... Also these itemized costs are too technical for the normal people to understand. Lawyers will never understand, bankers won't even bother looking, agents only know ow to say material mahal. flex.gif

Many big named developers have their own material firms (own/ relative companies) etc etc to help cut down the material costs hence being the owner and the contractor. With such, developers construct a lot cheaper as the money flowed into their subsidiary companies. And all we always see is they yelp that material costs are rising so does the construction costs.

Smaller/ new companies usually take risks from learning the trend and get investors overseas to strengthen their position in getting loans from banks. And this is now usual as we've seen the sudden surge of famous companies venturing into developing field - thinking that EVERYONE can purchase a house at this super inflated X amount thinking the amount will increase to [X + (20 to 30%)] per year. Because everyone has holding power. doh.gif

QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 11 2014, 08:27 AM)
In my opinion, BNM and banks in malaysia has enough rules and regulation to scrutinize loan approvals. So, loans given out to buy properties are backed by the income rules. Everybody in this forum know getting loan is not as easy as buying an Ipad. I suspect the boom in loan is due to more double income families. So the growth in income is effectively ~100%, ie 2 person buying 1 property. Yes, 100% is exponential growth and I think the situation will sustain

Of course there are flippers who manipulate the banks. But realistically, how many % of those ? These are the bad guys, so the number is the same as those who are willing to commit crime we see in newspaper.
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Instead of double income that fuel the boom I agreed in Jolokia's statement on tenancy agreements and mortgages where people use A to roll for B, then B to roll for C, then C to roll for D, then A,B,C,D to roll for E and because valuated price keep going up, projected rental incomes from rolling seem to profit the renters enough to be eligible for bigger loans each time they roll about. It is the system that allows this.

I don't put the blame on flippers alone because DIBS/DISS schemes are done by developers, holding and selling upon VP is also done by developers, banks also join venture in development, agents asking for undertable for confirmed units etc etc; how can be flippers solely be blamed? It is the system that supports laziness and unrealistic investments.

Try to put a full stop at this system and see how much the market will correct. Of course UUUs will not want this to happen lar....

QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 10 2014, 09:17 PM)
If all businessmen have perfect business ethics, then teh tarik won't increase by 10 sen when sugar price increase by 10 sen per kg  doh.gif

I always wish the DDD camper are businessmen. Then we all have cheapest things to buy  thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Apr 11 2014, 09:42 AM)
Exactly. Anybody who has spent some time overseas would know that Malaysia is actually quite an expensive place to live in when you take in the income to spending ratio into consideration. But you gotta thank the Gov for that. Their brainwashing and indoctrination over the years has worked quite well especially with the Gov servants.
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I will have to agree too. Tapi takpe lah, syukur negara kita aman dan makmur dan masih murah petrol dan rumahnya dari negara jiran. Hehehehehehe....
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 11 2014, 09:09 AM)
actually they know lahh they are heavily invested in these areas.. simply saying supply and demand theory.. mature areas for rental..

like this those new projects got keys and yellow tags all the way who bough? not you and me.. not man u.. not amaya.. who else?

mature areas got developments? even there are or the existing one, they are mad.. those price even with entry price also so high above bypassing working class requirement..

it funny too.. those ppl keep saying rental.. but dont want to play flats..
that leaves service apartment ,condo.. DSL.. dont tell me want to play rental on Semi-D's and bunglows and penthouse lor..

other than service apartments, condo and DSL.. which now also getting very depressing and disturbing rentals.. what kind of of this?

these owners or flippers are mostly here to promote what they have bought..
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agree that flat do generally provide good yields.
but management could be more problematic compared to others. especially on collection.
and in terms of absolute amount, to earn the same value say RM500, managing 1 SA/condo could be easier than 2 or 3 flats.


QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Apr 11 2014, 09:42 AM)
Exactly. Anybody who has spent some time overseas would know that Malaysia is actually quite an expensive place to live in when you take in the income to spending ratio into consideration. But you gotta thank the Gov for that. Their brainwashing and indoctrination over the years has worked quite well especially with the Gov servants.
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fully agree with this. malaysia is freaking expensive to live in. only consolation is housing are relatively cheaper compared to the others. and do take into consideration, rentals or mortgage does plays a vital large chunk of an individual's spendings.
i suspect if you take the dwelling expenses out of the comparison with other countries, we just might shoot much higher in the survey on cost of living. wink.gif
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QUOTE(MishimaZ @ Apr 11 2014, 09:56 AM)
I will have to agree too. Tapi takpe lah, syukur negara kita aman dan makmur dan masih murah petrol dan rumahnya dari negara jiran. Hehehehehehe....
Sorry i dont quite agree about the fuel.

In Germany, all their fuel will be Euro 6 standard effective 2014 while Malaysia is still stuck with low quality Euro 2 standard fuel which has a much higher sulphur & carbon content which is really bad for health.

But Germans pay about E$ 1.587 per litre for RON98 petrol while Malaysians pay RM 2.10 per litre for RON95 Euro 2 petrol.

If ure living in Germany and earning E$ 5,000 per month, don’t you think it be cheaper to pay E$ 1.587 for RON 98 Euro 6 petrol compared to a Malaysian earning RM5K per month and paying RM 2.10 for RON95 Euro 2 fuel?

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Apr 11 2014, 10:30 AM)
Sorry i dont quite agree about the fuel.

In Germany, all their fuel will be Euro 6 standard effective 2014 while Malaysia is still stuck with low quality Euro 2 standard fuel which has a much higher sulphur & carbon content which is really bad for health.

But Germans pay about E$ 1.587 per litre for RON98 petrol while Malaysians pay RM 2.10 per litre for RON95 Euro 2 petrol.

If ure living in Germany and earning E$ 5,000 per month, don’t you think it be cheaper to pay E$ 1.587 for RON 98 Euro 6 petrol compared to a Malaysian earning RM5K per month and paying RM 2.10 for RON95 Euro 2 fuel?
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I know I know, I was just being sarcastic about our country fuel and housing prices. Our ministers always say don't compare with modern countries ma.... But when things up up up boleh pulak compare dengan Hong Kong? rclxub.gif

Not to mention, I believe our roads macam taik, despite of the public transport and amenities - we are still like third world country; just charging 1st world prices.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Apr 11 2014, 10:30 AM)
Sorry i dont quite agree about the fuel.

In Germany, all their fuel will be Euro 6 standard effective 2014 while Malaysia is still stuck with low quality Euro 2 standard fuel which has a much higher sulphur & carbon content which is really bad for health.

But Germans pay about E$ 1.587 per litre for RON98 petrol while Malaysians pay RM 2.10 per litre for RON95 Euro 2 petrol.

If ure living in Germany and earning E$ 5,000 per month, don’t you think it be cheaper to pay E$ 1.587 for RON 98 Euro 6 petrol compared to a Malaysian earning RM5K per month and paying RM 2.10 for RON95 Euro 2 fuel?
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Agree.
To get RM5k job, you need to be at least at manager position. How about Germany?
In malaysia, we need to get ready for childrens education fund for majority of non-bumi. How about Germany?
In malaysia, 50% of the RM5k go to mortgage loan repayment, how about Germany?
In Malaysia, RM5K pay income at rate 15% (i guess only, max 26%), how about Germany?
In Malaysia, goverment clinic and hospital charge minimal fees, how about Germany?
this list can go on...
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Apr 11 2014, 09:42 AM)
Exactly. Anybody who has spent some time overseas would know that Malaysia is actually quite an expensive place to live in when you take in the income to spending ratio into consideration. But you gotta thank the Gov for that. Their brainwashing and indoctrination over the years has worked quite well especially with the Gov servants.
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found a good site after your post.

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compa...ntry2=Australia

important to note, to do a fair comparison, may i suggest taking the ratio of average monthly disposable salary (in this example is 293%) and compared back against the table.

anything higher than 293%, indeed the other country is more expensive, anything lower, it's cheaper (due to currency exchange factor).

and i'm guessing, chances are, rent per month or buy apartment price section of most countries would consistently yield other countries % higher than ours.
so far india and indonesia yields different results.


have a try:
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries.jsp

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QUOTE(MishimaZ @ Apr 11 2014, 10:43 AM)
I know I know, I was just being sarcastic about our country fuel and housing prices. Our ministers always say don't compare with modern countries ma.... But when things up up up boleh pulak compare dengan Hong Kong?  rclxub.gif

Not to mention, I believe our roads macam taik, despite of the public transport and amenities - we are still like third world country; just charging 1st world prices.
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we are oil producers, our quality oil sold to other country and money bagged paid CEO.. cronies.. and of course handsome bonus which is not reflective of contributions to oil and gas staffs...

we on the other hand purchase oil low quality and for own consumption and bare the cost our self.. petronas money tampal lubang MAS, tampal lubang PKFZ, and all the lost investment...

we all suffer...
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QUOTE(kochin @ Apr 11 2014, 10:47 AM)
found a good site after your post.

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compa...ntry2=Australia

important to note, to do a fair comparison, may i suggest taking the ratio of average monthly disposable salary (in this example is 293%) and compared back against the table.

anything higher than 293%, indeed the other country is more expensive, anything lower, it's cheaper (due to currency exchange factor).

and i'm guessing, chances are, rent per month or buy apartment price section of most countries would consistently yield other countries % higher than ours.
so far india and indonesia yields different results.
have a try:
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries.jsp
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Looking at table, other than property, aus is more livable than malaysia. As for aus property, blame it to mainland chinese.

Another note, there is very close in blue collar and white collar pays.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 11 2014, 10:53 AM)
we are oil producers, our quality oil sold to other country and money bagged paid CEO.. cronies.. and of course handsome bonus which is not reflective of contributions to oil and gas staffs...

we on the other hand purchase oil low quality and for own consumption and bare the cost our self.. petronas money tampal lubang MAS, tampal lubang PKFZ, and all the lost investment...

we all suffer...
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Boss... from what i understand, Petoleum Act govern on how to dustribute the oil money to state gov, oil operators and federal gov. Petronas cannot suka suka rescue MAS, PKFZ or what ever. All these scandal nothing to do with petronas.

on the pay to O&G staff, you need to consider international pay. Eg, if Petronas pay its senior reservour engineer RM50k per month, whereas this guy can easily get USD100K else where in the world. What do you think this guy will do?

on the export and import of oil. if you do not wan the gov to export quality oil out and import lower grade oil, than we need more refinery plant in malaysia. But do you protest on Pengerang Rapid project?

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