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 4 Critical Signs of a Bubble Market V5, Are the signs already there in Malaysia?

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AppreciativeMan
post Apr 4 2014, 04:48 PM

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V5, V10 or V99 also doesnt show anything.....
The fact is over the years.... every year.... regardless economy good or bad.... there is always a group of ppl talking abt; prop pricey, prop at high price, prop price will hav correction, prop price will crash and etc.... tongue.gif tongue.gif
At 2008 will say 2005 price is cheap....
2011 will say 2008 price cheaper....
2014 will say 2011 price still affordable....
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post Apr 4 2014, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Apr 4 2014, 01:39 PM)
Wow...everyone said about that. I better fast fast sale all my tenanted units now.
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post Apr 4 2014, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 4 2014, 04:57 PM)
Unlike stock or commodities, property is illiquid and will take years to bottom.
Similar was said on KLSE before 1997 crash.
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Exactly!!
Similar was said on prop in yr 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014...... tongue.gif tongue.gif
Jus every yr hav a little new reason came out la.... whistling.gif whistling.gif

oopss.... i suppose to be in DDD camp...... Die Die Die.....
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post Apr 4 2014, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(zenjet @ Apr 4 2014, 05:13 PM)
No worries lar ~ wait die ~ sure tat day will come ~
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Everybody dies..... i rather die with up and downs than sitting wait to die.... tongue.gif tongue.gif
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post Apr 4 2014, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 4 2014, 05:24 PM)
Between 1997 and 2008/9, property price was relatively stable except klcc. Doubt there was any DDD until 2010/11.

In 1997, most invested in stock lost what they have made over the years and more. Believe likewise for over stretched flippers.
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Everybody now will kno... it is "stable" the past 10 over yr.....
Question is how many ppl really kno it during those yrs?.....
My first prop in yr 2002 (240K condo), there were ppl already saying prop price is high, some say crazy, many will say wait and see first.... and etc....
Subsequence yrs...... u will hear ppl saying almost the same thing every yr.....
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post Apr 4 2014, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 4 2014, 05:59 PM)
Save your breath.. dude cant differentiate btw tenanted property vs non tenanted units.. with price..

I have also notice that dude is also cant differentiate the working of RPGT vs stamp duty adjudication.. the former is clearly based on profit only no other inteference body to calculate for you..

Accordong to my friend

exp.. prop cost 400k developer flipped 700k.. profit is total 300k.. RPGT cuts on 300k .. of couse still can discount .. on other costs

Stamp duty is the one calculated adjudicated..

say  bought from developer 400k..
selling 300k ( selling in need of money)
stamp duty is still based on prevaling market rate by LHDN.. if they feels is 500k.. they will ask you to pay stamp duty based on 500k.. NOT 400K OR PITY YOU 300K..

if a smart ass ask bought developer 400k
smart ass flippers sold 800k.. howevrr LHDN similar market rate is 500k..
screw you.. they will not rely on 500k even ttansacted b4.. they will still adjudicate stamp duty at 800k.. same unit..

Dude.. dude.. I hope to repo him..
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So smart ass......
If a prop bought at 400k...
Sold at 300k (for whatsoever reason)....
Market valuation: 700k....
Stamp duty without doubt will base on 700k....
So u mean LHDN will let u go off without RPGT? As its transacting at a loss..... sweat.gif sweat.gif
And btw... u kno who pay stamp duty kar?... tongue.gif tongue.gif

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post Apr 4 2014, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 4 2014, 08:36 PM)
can you please check your last post somewhere in RPGT? u really tink i dumb till RPGT AND stamp duty who pays?

hello, it was you who disseminated information to the potential sellers about

" LDHN has a different valuation" , i m replying you on whether such valuation exist in RPGT.. that is a stamp duty model smart dude.."

are you really an investors to begin with?
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Well.... whether u tat dumb or not im not too sure..... but one thing for sure u arent tat smart.... tongue.gif tongue.gif
Why not u answer my earlier question? rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif
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If a prop bought at 400k...
Sold at 300k (for whatsoever reason)....
Market valuation: 700k....
Stamp duty without doubt will base on 700k....
So u mean LHDN will let u go off without RPGT? As its transacting at a loss....

Answering this will give u the answer of this statement.... "LDHN has a different valuation"...... No? blink.gif blink.gif
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post Apr 4 2014, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 4 2014, 09:04 PM)
You wanna pay both smart ppl? You only pay RPGT..  in your example.. you making a loss.. there is no RPGT...

stamp duty is based on 700k.. hello I dun understand .. you only sell properties and dun buy properties ah smart ass?

LHDN has different valuation for stamp duty.. RPGT only 1 formula.. you mention there are different valuation remember?
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So smart ass..... U are saying LHDN "WILL HAV TO" accept your selling price at 300k even though knowing the market valuation price is at 700k? notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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post Apr 5 2014, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Apr 5 2014, 10:50 PM)
i have said it many many many times....

all the price appreciation after 2009 is caused by China's money, as they have released, USD 12,000 Billion into the market since early 2009. caused many countries properties prices to soar.

and malaysians as usual are ignorant at all the things happening outside of malaysia.

China is tightening now as we speak, a lot of companies are selling assets to pay their loans.
steel, copper is at 4 year low. overstock pile at China. Second this....  icon_rolleyes.gif

China will not consume so much as before, expect commodities price to go down.
since early 2012, china business already dropping. Factories orders dropping, debt keep on increasing, house price keep on increasing.

our local Malaysian market here keeps on running on local stimulus.
how long can you think it can keep on running ?  rolleyes.gif

najib already doubled our national debt from RM 200Bil to RM 550Bil.
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post Apr 6 2014, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 6 2014, 11:25 AM)
If market demand is strong, phase 1 or 80% units sold out, why developers need to spend $ at mapex?
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If I don't see developer booth in an Exhibit..... I would be wondering....... is the developer so poor until can't even afford a booth..... hmm.gif hmm.gif

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post Apr 8 2014, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 8 2014, 01:04 PM)
Oh means price still up.. dun compare singapore.. we have many demands.. we also have mamy ppl salary lower than singapore.. but our house price are catchingup with singaporean.

Johor will be affected by the price.. with these kind of sentimens.. expect price to go up sumore..? Malaysia gave birth more that does not mean they exhibit ability to take on overpriced property.. hong kong has more population than us.. but price drop 20%..

the simple and only message inten ded to be deliver is property price do drop irregardless and need of an economy downturn.. singapore dont.. hong kong down.. so as their demand more than supply still drop..
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Msia prop price catching up SG? hmm.gif hmm.gif
HK population more than Msia? shocking.gif shocking.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 8 2014, 03:36 PM)
sorry population was wrong.. it was only 7 million plus.. and yes we are catching up with singapore price in value to value.. their HDb flat cost 400 sing ours also 450k malaysian..

this still does not negate the the fact property price do come down.. in anyway..
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What facts is that?...... If u compare in tat way, then Indonesia will be having one of the most expensive prop....... Australia and many other country got lotsa cheaper prop la? doh.gif doh.gif

Your post only reflect u simply anyhow shoot..... That's why HK population more than Msia can also shoot..... doh.gif doh.gif

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 8 2014, 09:27 PM)
Oh.. but singapore property price do drop.. despite supply vs demand theory.. dont you tink so?

do you highlight your own mistake? Like tenanted vs non tenanted in value?.. have you found your light yet?
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Hello..... U sure prop price in SG drop? Or transaction drop? U kno the difference between transaction and price or not? As prop price goes higher u expect increase in transaction? doh.gif doh.gif
Nevertheless..... I don't sees drop in SG prop price (never bother abt data, as it's all abt average in general).... Prime prop it's still creating new high selling price especially HDB.....
What mistake I make? And I hav never understand what u trying to talk about on tenanted or no tenanted value....... Your post..... 50% confusing, 30% ridiculous, remaining 20% jokes...... laugh.gif laugh.gif

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post Apr 8 2014, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 8 2014, 10:32 PM)
Unless the country is isolated like north korea, the economy e.g bank interest rate, currency is subject to international influence,  and gomen have hardly any control.
Even during depression,  there will still be transaction. If average or aggregate price is not benchmark, what is? The most expensive?
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Average price derive from transacted prop....... As prop price at high, high priced prop transaction will reduce, more transaction will drive from lower priced prop, thus thus bringing down the average price.....
Eg
2012: [(800k x10) + (400k x10)] /20 = 600k
2013: [(850k x5) + (450k x15)] /20 =550k

Average price dropped....... But did transacted prop price drop? whistling.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 8 2014, 11:34 PM)
There is nothing to stop you from believing your own numbers even is unrealistic.
In the event fed hike interest rate, cheap rm won't resist interest rise.
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Showing u a clear example of average price calculation may not be realistic, yet u say the calculation not realistic...... So who is more unrealistic? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Face the real world lah..... Don't always rely on those data and statistic lah...... whistling.gif whistling.gif

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post Apr 9 2014, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 9 2014, 01:25 AM)
Empirically,  whether in good time and bad, the ratio of bmw cars to proton is about the same. Likewise for houses. If your example ratio of high price to low can change drastically,  average price will jump randomly, which has not. Hence statistically unrealistic.
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2012: [(800k x10) + (400k x10)] /20 = 600k
2013: [(700k x8) + (500k x12)] /20 =580k
Like tat u more happy bo? Didn't change drastically Liao.... Average drop, higher value prop drop.......... But...... Lower price shoot up la........ laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Go get a life la!!
I'm showing u don't rely on those average data too much....... There may always a hidden agenda..... Get outside and experience those real life la.......
U really remind me of a joke....... tongue.gif tongue.gif
Teacher asked icemanfx to draw a chicken....
So icemanfx drew a chicken....... A chicken like those hanging in chicken rice store shop.....
Teacher ask icemanfx why u draw a dead chicken?
So icemanfx reply, I only kno dead chicken........ I've never seen a live chicken before mah.....
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post Apr 20 2014, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Apr 20 2014, 11:55 AM)
Bear2 got huge land in Sepang leh ! he can join venture with developer & become developer himself mah, then u all at his mercy. ..muahahaha
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Most probably the day u or bbw laying in the wood box it also havnt materalize.... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(TheRoadRunner @ Apr 20 2014, 11:48 AM)
I always see members here say banana is disgusting. But don't know why.
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its like a person self claim a "Vegetarian".... going around teling ppl dont eat meat or eating meat bad for health and etc....... but yet he/she still eating meat often.... tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Apr 20 2014, 10:48 AM)
Rooney no go hiding.

rooney said it is waste of time to post here as here majority agents and  some follow herd mentality. thumbup.gif
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So u r the agent or the herd mentality group? laugh.gif laugh.gif
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Looks like this thread dying off soon..... hmm.gif hmm.gif

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