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 4 Critical Signs of a Bubble Market V5, Are the signs already there in Malaysia?

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zuiko407
post Apr 4 2014, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 4 2014, 11:55 AM)
Just step in to Q2.. v5 come already.. good.. more bubbles.. more affordable house
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I'm very disappointed that u follow old DDD footstep, shiok sendiri n gain nothing, then hide forever.
Faster go n buy one la...

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post Apr 4 2014, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Apr 4 2014, 12:13 PM)
Bro bear wan 2
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post Apr 5 2014, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(SilverSpoon @ Apr 5 2014, 12:46 AM)
What a comment rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

Anyway, car loan interest is slowly creeping up.  hmm.gif
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Welcome back, any good news for DDD?
Been talking DDD since 2008, US/euro crisis, china/Hong Kong/ausie price drop, QE tapering, Greece bankruptcy, BLR increased, n now car loan interest increase, water cuts etc....
Pls share more
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post Apr 5 2014, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 5 2014, 10:25 AM)
Agree...both are 2 different products.. but dont you tink dat property are higher in risk taking into account their price?.. told you before... dat day signed off thousands of demand letters for hire purchaser defaulters.. per bank..

property value has room for appreviation and can profit.. provided they are not flipped badly leaving no ro for appreciation.. these kind of defaulters surely low end flippers a lot esoecially those relying on rental proceeds are confirmed to be bancrupt..

ask amaya.. hire purchase which bank is top? Hmm ambank... public bank..

housing loans.. ocbc( aggressive).. cimb( prefer loans 500k above targetting middle clsss).. affin bank(45 years max loans now reduced to 35)... public bank(taking everyting othrr banks dun want to do 50k loan also do).. alliance bank( best interest rates as of now depending on tiers too).. hong leong bank ( flexi loans..personal loans.. constructions loans)

amaya surely know market is good or no good?.. write off alot?
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Go n get one faster, let the price turtle up, forget about your lousy analysis
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post Apr 5 2014, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 5 2014, 10:42 AM)
told you di i will... now itself i am looking BUT not for INVESTMENT.. i realy dont see there is any room left for such intention.. i also hope my DDD campers can get their units soon..
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Don't wait too long, I'm sure u won't get any cheap stuff
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post Apr 5 2014, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 5 2014, 02:02 PM)
Property price only started to increase in 2008/9 because of materials, and bubble only begin in around 2011.
I know of people who pushed landed property transacted price in established areas (e.g. USJ, BU) to record high but not preparing to reveal their tricks. Property owners and vendors can have their dream while it last.

As if property market is detached from aggregate economy and rise in npl in car loan won't have impact on property demand.
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bubble begin in 2011? Are u living in your own world
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post Apr 5 2014, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 5 2014, 08:25 PM)
Eligible to loan doesn't mean affordable. It is not unknown many over stretched their income for higher loan amount.
Property market was following the stock market in 1990's but current property market is taking the lead.

Some of stocks in 1990's is no longer available.
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Over stretched for higher loan amount???
U never apply loan in your life or just don't apply loan recently??
U thought bank allow borrowers to over stretch as they wish to??
70% loan margin implemented since 1st Nov 2010, getting harder to get approval in 2012, n more harder in 2013 till now, do u find any cheap stuff since BNM trying hard to control.
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post Apr 6 2014, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Apr 6 2014, 09:18 AM)
and nothing to contribute but just wanna taruh for people going against your opinions ??

please buy more house, buy n hold more, i hope the house price can double in another 2 years......please la go up !!!
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Price will remain high n turtle up, I know how to invest n spend my money, what to buy n where to buy, of course u can sit sideline n keep waiting, read more bad news n get haunted, see what will u get after 1, 2 or 3 years later
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 6 2014, 09:41 AM)
i have always treated ur comments serious and constructive.. i saw the turtling up effect for a quite a number of days  .. same views as per BT times i.e stagnant and slowly moving up...

so, the market has no boost force anymore? the turtling up are to cover loan serviced? so the prices now are of the peak as of now?

te turtling up effect will fail in time,

exp:

Palm walk 3

2011:550k developers,
2013: flipping 750k
no one buy turtling effect come into play , monthly increase 5k t0 10k

so 2014: 12 months ( turtling effect)
[12 X 5k] or [12 x10k]

60k or 120k increase

2015: 810k or 870k?
2016: 860k or 990k

2years holding units are getting old.. new launches everywhere that price is not realistic, even 2 years down the road property prices will not reach that high even developers launches..
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Why u always keep the kindergarten knowledge to assume everyone buy for investment n flip??
Who the hell teach u that second buyer of Palm walk 3 can still flip from 750k to 900k or more? Do u understand property n property investment?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 6 2014, 09:54 AM)
wow, a positive confirmation of property will stop at intial boost..

we all know that properties cannot shoot up after initial boost, so turtling effect will also fail miserably..

you gotta sometimes pretend to be stupid to show the obvious.. now we gotta you.. potential buyers are fed with these informations, BBB campers like says anything is possible..
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Keep turtle up is enough to kill those people keep waiting n waiting, u have to understand this, go n buy one faster
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 6 2014, 11:25 AM)
If market demand is strong, phase 1 or 80% units sold out, why developers need to spend $ at mapex?
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If u have enough experience or invest frequently, don't think u will ask this question again
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post Apr 6 2014, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Apr 6 2014, 01:19 PM)
Dun waste time to answer, if developer dun participate in exhibition, they also has something to say.
When you decide not to buy, you hv thousand of excuses  laugh.gif
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That's true
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Apr 6 2014, 01:29 PM)
With such statement I can conclude u don't work in property development line.
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Yes I'm not, I just invest in properties
Already untung banyak, u guys still talk about theory
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QUOTE(tmdsad @ Apr 6 2014, 01:40 PM)
I work with property developer.

Any project transaction is good. We will halt all the advertising action. Even stop free legal fees too.
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Yes, that's right.
The question is your developer company selling cheap or not??
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post Apr 6 2014, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(tmdsad @ Apr 6 2014, 01:49 PM)
I moved from High End MK's developer to Subang's GRR developer........

Now with developer building mall .... shop lot....... hotel and low cost apartment.

>10 years
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U have good experience
Btw, we understand market is slowing down but any developer offer cheap price? Including your existing n ex developer.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 6 2014, 04:01 PM)
Let me answet for them sure got offer at cheap price one..

Wait they all reply.. if they say no discounts mean they mark up.. simple..

btw your turtling effect .. flipped properties rarely can get 90% loan margin.. like palm walk 3 750k.. so if turtle up sumore d price.. maybe can get 65% or 70%..

if that was the loan margin.. you need to park 200k to 300k cash man..for a dsl.. for rich ppl semi d or bunglow 200k to 300k no problem.. products like service apartment.. condos.. townhouse and dsl are targetted at working classes..

therefore turtling price kills us.. it also kill you in between .. u cant offload.. and property getting old

and there will be new launches.. with lower or same price.. so where potential buyers go?
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bear bear u paham keh tak paham!!!
What flipped properties rarely to get 90%??? Do u really know who entitle for 90%? Who entitle for 70%?
Again, why in your mindset, always thought only property be able to flip can survive! Property can't flip means can't buy!!
With the current RPGT 30% for 3 years, flip your head la....

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 6 2014, 06:06 PM)
tailou.. i am saying buying a flipped property pose problems to buyers.. like it or not flipped property cannot get 90% loan.. thus making it more likely than not potential buyers to fork out a big sum as DP say like 20% or 25% or more...

so, with price turtling up slowly, i.e adding 5 k or 10k to the flipped price, is this making the bank valuation further? by you turtling up the price? means otential buyers need to fork more DP ..

with competitive market and upcoming new launches, the said turtled up properties price is higher or equal with new launches..

that is the consideration running through most working class (i.e the ones you targeting) in the market..

wait, we back to square one that we are asking you not to buy?
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U thought those subsale buyer @750k are all flipper??? When they apply bank loan, bank will ask them "are you flipper"?, if yes bank will only give 75-80% margin although the borrower is entitle to get 90%? If they say "no I'm DDD camp to buy for own stay", bank will give 90% margin???


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Btw, are u targeting palm walk 3 @ 750k??
I would suggest u to consider Desa Budiman which selling 800k, 24 x 75'. Palm walk only 20' width.
It just next to palm walk, better design n facade, your sai Lou me bought one from developer in mid 2010, 465k only, flipped already with 7xx k in year 2013
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post Apr 9 2014, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Apr 9 2014, 05:31 PM)
Bro, RM1.0 mln was in Budget 2014.  Previous cap was only RM500K if I am not mistaken.
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Yes, that's why I said some even less than 500k
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post Apr 16 2014, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 15 2014, 10:11 PM)
Hey u there.. I still maintain 490k.. he got keys di.. 8th floor facing swimming pool.. lawyer couple.. tower A and B..

got keys 4 months di.. many still havent sell yet.. imperial residence .. green residence.. saville at cheras.. emerald residence.. lot of competitors.. price very hard to go up di..
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Don't keep mentioning 490k, it's already became history, you won't be able to get this price anymore

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