Let's end this thread.

Why does it matter what class did you get on your degree?? You have it and it is part of your history. What really matters is how do you use it??

So, if you have a third class degree, you need to know how to talk and sale yourself. You need to know what you should and should not say. You should look for things that you can do to increase your chances to find a job and a good career and so on..


Ditto for the people with the first class degree. You will have a different kind of problem too. People may think that you are only book smart and have no soft skill. You may only spent all your times in studying and nothing else.

"If you have a lemon, make a lemonade!!"

Past is past. It is water under the bridge. Future is on your own hand. But, you need to know how to play the card in your hand.

The thread starter had asked a useless question. The correct question should be I have a third class degree and now what can I do to improve my chances of having a godd job and future.

How should I present myself so that my track record of third class degree do not show me as either lazy or stupid??

Dreamer

Simply put, if you are strong enough, do not let a paper determine your life. Make it up to yourself for all the things you've missed out.

And should dreamer101 disagrees that you are stupid and useless because you got 3rd class degree, prove him wrong ! He is right about this " Future is on your own hand. The correct question should be I have a third class degree and now what can I do to improve my chances of having a godd job and future. " If interviewers like dreamer101 don't want to hire you, it doesn't means the end of your days. You still got much options on your hands. And there are reasons why MNC or dreamer101 refuse to take in below par result graduate, one of them are definitely it's making life easier for them. Just imagine, if you are given in such a position, and you are held responsible for the whole operation of your company tasks.

But then my friend who got 3rd class also managed to get the job faster than me. Why ? Because it's all down to the interviewers. If they think you are a talent that should be nurtured up, definitely they will train you up. Never look excuses for your failure. And finally, some people are strong in technical knowledges but somehow they screwed up in papers. I don't really know the reason thru.

hmm, u right there, there's certainly a hope.

i got 1 more question to ask, i right now in 3rd year Engineering degree, my CGPA is just 2.40 onli, left 1 more year to go only...time too short edi, spend too much time playing games and no study.
Should i extend 1 extra year(after 4th year) to repair some certain subjects?mean spending 5 yrs. what do you guys advice?

This post has been edited by woopypooky: Jun 18 2006, 06:39 PM

depends.

how much can u repair in those extra semesters? one of the most important aspect in extending is, does it contradict with the school's policy? i know a lot of schools do not allow students to repeat subjects that they did not fail. check on this first. if they do, no problem la.

but if they dont, there's a way to get around it. first, u have to declare selected subjects as a failure. doing so for subjects that the credits have been logged for ur degree would mean it has to be taken to the senate committee (or equivalent). if they approve the ammendments, then only u could retake those subjects.



but 2.4 isnt exactly third class is it? and 3.0 is a little too far away. my advice, dont waste ur time for that extra one year to improve ur cgpa, coz it wont matter. i'd rather spend one year working in a crappy office. later when u change job, atleast u've already got one year experience under ur belt.

Such a long post after I have left for such a while.

I went to my lecturer's wedding, and she invited a lot of colleagues to her wedding as well. I sat with these lecturers whose some used to be my lecturers before. I mentioned about the topics and majority of them agreed the statement of getting a high CGPA provides you more advantage in seeking a higher paid job. They never come out with the statement that 3rd class will not get job, they will but harder.

Why? With a first class degree, the potential employers will perceive the candidates who gain it will have better attitude in learning, which contribute to their excellent result. But, some might not be REALLY hardworking. I observed some friends of mine focus on the tips that the lecturers gave and manage to obtain good result. They played all time and perhaps these bunch of people are those who did not really dedicate in their studies but they were hardworking too, they contacted their friends everywhere to gain MORE tips when the exam is near. They hardwork in digging tips.

Well, I would say that dreamer statement is right that with a 1st class degree, you really could gain more than lower one. Anyway, if you have a 3rd class degree, don't be discourage because it is a statement. Why not you try to do something to increase your competitiveness towards others?

This post has been edited by jinyee80: Jun 18 2006, 08:58 PM

Jinyee80,

I am sorry to tell you that they are smart to do that. They know the system and know how to play game with the system. Guess what. This is the same kind of skill that you need to play office politic with. It is applicable to work place too.

In any kind of system, you need to know who is giving the grades and how they are going to grade you in term of performance. There are way too many people that worked hard in a company but they never get rewarded because they do not know how to play the game.

Do not be the kind of people that never get rewarded for their hard work.

Dreamer

Woopypooky,

It is too late to repair youy CGPA. But, it is not too late to start your preparation for job hunting. Time to visit your senior or anyone that you know working in your area. Start visiting them and learn what they are doing. Start people networking. Attend free convention or conference. Go out lunch with people in your industry. Ask for advice what kind of thing you can do and learn to improve your chance for job.

Dreamer

Dreamer,


Yes, the reality is that you are in the game when you know how to play the game, otherwise you will be put aside or waste your effort. Would the statement be ' the smartest person is ones who do the less thing but being rewarded the most?'

Jinyee

This post has been edited by jinyee80: Jun 19 2006, 12:00 AM

Never ever give up. In 1 year you have probably a lot of subjects that can help push your grade to a near 3 or even hit 3. If you make a concentrated effort and get 3.75-4.00 for all your semesters now and eventually hit 3 in the end, you can tell future interviewers that you have very strong determination to get up from a low position and you intend to bring this trend to the workplace.

Jinyee80,

"the SMARTEST person is ones who do the less thing but being rewarded the most?'"

I do not agree with this statement. If you ONLY play game and you ONLY do things to get rewarded, the TRUTH will catch up wioth you in the long run. In a well run organization, management are smart and they have a system to actually track who is more productive for the company. Over the long run, across many many companies, the truth will come out anyhow, people will know how productive you are.

What I am trying to say is:

1) You need to be productive. Please noted that I use the word "Productive". The question is not whether you work hard or not. The REAL question is how much do you PRODUCE with your effort. aka work smart.

2) You need to know how to play the office politic game to protect yourself. So that, you can get the credit that you deserved. Not to claim credit for works that others done.

Dreamer

Wow this thread is wordy.

This thread could go forever, two years back, i was asking should i burn my 3rd class degree on the star(anyone remember?) and got a page full of replies few days later . Now obviously we are still facing the same question.

With 60k degree holders walking down the street, we are getting nowhere. Heres one fact, complain less, do more. It is very true that graduates, students, young people today love to complain complain complain. Why dont have this? Why dont have that? Why why why why?

And in most case, they blame others rather then blaming themselves.

Is the degree papers actually limiting one self rather then opening more options? Degree holders are not willing to do those so-called non-related job. IT degree want IT job, Accounting want to work in big 4, Engineering dont want to do sales...

It might take sometime for them to face the reality of that they will be no longer spoon fed by papa and mama or teacher. They have to experience the thing first before they can really learn anything.

When we grow older, we will realised that the things we did before was so ridiculous. And if we trying to tell our experience to the juniors, they simply think we are talking too much.

My quote is "If you have a lemon, nobody say you cant make a milkshake!"

right.
3rd class degree does not determine things.
they say bill gates was a drop out, the genting dude din have proper education and bla bla bla.

but when given chance, you go get a 3rd class degree


some people just dont know how to appreicate things i guess

this is where these lazy bums boast all about themselves.. if u appreciate what u did u wont get 3rd class or ND. i got a fren industrial training with me.. i can see his way of doing things.. wait n see ... even teh industrial training also he can oversleep and skip the training time with me. so the worker there had a chance to scold me.. i was lucky to be there. my fren just stay at home surfing and the next day come laughing at me. Also, even if these loosers envy those not 3rd degree/ND, they dont have to insult what us did in front of them.

these lazy bums deserve what they get.. just wish that ur lucky to get shortlisted and u better be serious to "act" hardworking if u do LOL!!!

This post has been edited by apple_bumble_bee: Jun 20 2006, 10:03 PM

Who da hell yell u 3rd class cant get job?
i am a 3rd class holder...and i got my job within a month after i graduate....Like some of our member say...it depends on how well you present yourself during interview...so what if u get a first class...my 1class coursemate is still looking for his job at the moment while i oledi get my first paycheck.

it is depends.... if you got 1st class normally you have the priority to get into the interview..... but it is also depends on your luck and your situation (like you have some1 inside to refer you).... and which firm you are going to work in ....

This post has been edited by say_it: Jun 24 2006, 07:21 AM

yay, give me five, 3rd class degree club member here, should really consider starting a 3rd class degree club at kopitiam!

hahaha....give u five dude~
in career stream, no one care shit bout 1st or 3rd class, they care whether you can get the job DONE anot....got 1st class but know how to talk n explain theory is useless.....like one of my colleague...everytime screw by my supervisor asking him to give him solution instead of theory and opinion.
anyway one thing is very important ...be hardworking, be sensative, and you will be rewarded. XD

A degree is just a piece of paper that proves you've paid X amount of money and passed the required tests set forth, all done in about 3 years.

If you actually think it helps you get a job, think again.

A lengthy thread to read,

You are right when it comes to generalisation. (pinned this up)

But if we put the factor of where does the graduate came from, would it do some justice ? Comparing the standards of each uni. standings according to its entry requirement, If he/she graduated 1st class from a peopledontknowwhichcollege at belakang jalan mati, does it makes sense to you that it has an equal standings with a 1st class degree holder from MIT ? Syllabus and quality of education wise I don't think every university has same standards. Some might even think this 3rd class graduate from 'A' uni. is better in terms of knowledge during interviews than this 2nd class upper graduate from 'B' uni. So what you say ?

I am waiting the answer from the same question.

Reffering to your angry replies, are you among of the 3rd class graduates ?

Wow, what a good answer you got there.

Again, another form of generalisation being made.

Some unexpected things probably came up during the studies eg: Bad FYP supervisor, illness during exam and etc. Well not all nerdy or bookworm managed to get good results.

Haha, not all 3rd class degree holder are proud with themselves.

I agree. It's just another lesson of life. There are more challenging obstacles coming ahead.

This post has been edited by i am sam: Jun 26 2006, 10:50 AM