Years back, my friend entered hospital after exam and she has failed 2 diploma exam papers that semester due to sickness. She need to take daily medicine for life to control her sickness, and easily fell sick whenever shes stressful or overpush herself.

And now she has graduated as a degree holder(thou 2nd class lower), and continue taking ACCA! Kudos to her!

Ahh, i guess thats the main problem why they can secure a job easily, for not confident enough.

Getting into a university is not the ultimate success, getting out from a university is the real challenge.
Getting a degree paper is not the end of story, being able to secure a job and live a life is the reality.
Getting a job doesn't mean you are already successful, so many more development at your job and at yourself are needed for not being obsolete.

Journey of life never stop until you are dead, and someone else continues your journey.

when you have experience, 4th class also doesn't matter

some 1st class people can't even do anything

How true!

You may have the best scores in the world but if your attitude sucks, you won't go anywhere....

dudes, when i was fresh-grad engineer, I partied 3 mths then only started looking for jobs (no more allowance forced to)

anyway, out of 4 interviews within a mth, 3 awarded me the appointment letter. Funny thing is, none ask my results but im asking for 2.4k + allowance LOL

after i've worked for 3 mths, I went back to the U for proper 'square hat' ceremony n collecting the official bachelor cert... i asked my housemate, a bookworm w CGPA>3.5 n he whines he got no mroe than 1.6k, guess wat...... all these time he studied while i partied makes him a dull boy!

lifes unfair, so its how u deal w it not being arrogant but im proving a point here: results r jz figures, u play around it.. I talked about everything in interview but nothing bout my sults

p/s: my current employer still havnt seen my cert nor knows my results

This post has been edited by toda6866: Jun 26 2006, 04:05 PM

Why still want to see your cert if boss know you can do your job nicely?

I got a friend, 2nd class upper, IT degree, and she has been unemployed for more then 1 year. Most of her 3rd class friends all got their job but she just unable to look for any relevent job! Sometimes, life really sucks and your luck matters a lot.

Now she went to UK and work as a waitress and saving about 800 pound per month...

That what i said earlier....
Outside very seldom employee ask about your result....they dun wan a person who can only study, memorize and talk theory...they wan a person who can get the job DONE!
Earlier a forumer say if like that then what for all go for 1st class....i believe that the reason the thread starter open this thread is to give support and hope to higher up the spirit of those who cant get good degree grade and worried about their career future...
But i really must clarify one things....for those who get good grade...congrad...but dun higher up your nose and look down on those who got bad grade...as when you are still laughing and look down on those, they might have already over take you and make a step forward in their career goal...

cheers~
gd luck for all job seekers~

Just like my old independence highschool teacher told me,

Top students come back become colleague;
Worst students come back and become the school CEO...

As much as you hear these kind of stories, how many cases can you think of that this actually happens? The more people think this way, the more backward our country will be.

Some things cannot be hidden all the time.

This also shows that bookworms may not get all that they want by studying. Missing out on parties shows that the individual can't learn to manage his/her time well while missing out on opportunities to socialize and increase their communication skills.

Socializing is an important part of being a good worker because by building good relationships with the people you work with, the working environment becomes much more bearable and better.

I had plenty of ex-colleagues who have totally zero social skills as well as some of them who are totally asses. It hurts to see that because of their stupid attitudes that the morale of the entire department has been crumbled to mere dust causing about 10 people to leave.

let's put it this way....Bill Gates is a Uni drop-out and he is the #1 wealthiest man on earth. He probably drop-himself-out...but there are other people who are college/uni drop-outs but are still successful in life.

So what I believe is this, your 1st class/3rd class/20th class cert matters, but its what you learn during the process (with a little luck) matters more

lets not forget that how much money u earn now is not exactly an absolute measure of success.

i'm more of an experimentative guy when it comes to studying. i experiment with everything, including how to make ur lecturer so pissed off at u, and see whether he/she will fail u even if u score 100%. i graduated with 2nd class upper with several dean's list award and a best designer award under my belt.

i got an offer of RM2300 start in 2001, which is considered pretty high at the time for a fresh grad. i didnt take it. instead, i chose the academic path, becoming a lecturer fulltime and architect part time, which totals to RM2000 per month only. not much isnt it?

but that's what i wanted to do. my measure of success isnt graded on what i earn after i graduate, but rather, 15-20 years along the line. my friends are earning almost RM3k right now. but in 2009 when i graduate my phd, i'll be earning about RM5k, while they will probably be around RM4k.

so dont just measure ur success on what u earn compared to ur friends. also think about the future, prospects, how many kids u can afford to have (or how many wives!) and stuff like that. everybody's different.

if anyone feel offended by my post, pls accept my sincere apology....but, like i mentioned earlier in my post, my intention was not to flame, but to create simple awareness to those job seekers with low gradesl if u fear not, u fail not.....dun b too selective, jz go for mroe interviews, coz any job offered to u is nvr a bad thing, it will boost your confidence as well as your exp. to learn which interview u did welll or which did not (common sense anyway)

I havto agree how much getting paid is not really the point, but details i did not disclose was that my fren having a hard time working there OT n routine basically.... which i dunno y but i still hope the best for him n i did encourage him to look elsewhere.... so taht matches your point too when u talk bout career path, am I not right?

and also the fact I did not talk bout my results does not mean I hide it (logically, y would u wanna talk bout your weakness, not your strength?) since nobody got a chance to ask me my grades, so i naturallly jz put it aside n moreover, i know i can do the job as stated in the job scope of the newsppr cutting.....so grades aint matter after that...

but it does matter when u look for some companies like SHELL or SIEMENS they must b sure u hav good academic qualifications, then only other questions pop-in.

ehhh? if u feel that i'm offended, please feel free to feel that you're wrong. i have no problem whatsoever to those who feels that what they earn is a measure of success .

the reason i mentioned is bcoz for the past several pages we've been talking about "what u earn". before the next person starts to fanatically believe that it is the way of life, i think i should also mention that not everyone feels that way. thing is, most top scorers do not feel that money is everything, while most not-so-top scorers feel that when they earn more, they show that they're more successful than the top scorers.

cool eh?

haha dont worry laa toda, i'm not saying this about u

I agree. Most of the top scorers i've encountered are totally asses with/without social skills. Maybe they think too highly of themselves, I don't know.

That's quite true. Money is not the only measurement of success. There are other factors as well. By the way, are you sure all of your friends are earning almost 3k and not even more ? I have a colleague who is a senior engineer at my workplace, he is 29 years old and earning around RM4k. My boss who is a manager is earning around RM5k-6k and he is 32 years old. I don't know the payscale differences between engineer and architect, but i'm sure it's almost the same since both are professional course.

The statement may suit on certain people but I think it's quite unacceptable. Money is always important and forever be. You can say today you may not feel envy since you already achieved something in your life eg: academic achievement. But someday when we get old probably the feeling of jelousy or envy will come esspecially when some old friend is driving a flashy brand new merc, married again to a young beautiful lady and later he gave his business card with a title 'Datuk' written on it.

This post has been edited by i am sam: Jun 28 2006, 07:24 PM

that's why i used "most top scorers do not feel that money is everything" instead of "most top scorers do not feel that money is important".

Some just love to write off academically poor students, i admit myself is not a good student, i am going to retake 3 core subjects due to my laziness. Until yesterday i was still whining that i didnt even can choose my preferrable course to study , i was forced to study course i dont like. Now i realise i should look forward, there is no way for me to go back and stand firm on my decision. Not every people can choose their way of life, there are still a lot of old fashion minded parents who wouldnt allow their sons to have freedom over their choice, my brother was forced to work for my dad, my sister who won numerous prizes for her artworks was forced to study accounting, i was forced to take engineering even though he knew i was never good in math and science. Due to my low cgpa, poor proficiency of english, i have no expectation over my paper, i have received insults from people who only look on cgpa, if anyone here would like to insult me please feel free to do so. All i can do is look forward, to make the fullest of everyday from now on.

Feel free to delete my post if you found what i said is repetitive.

your grade difinitely will give a good first impression to your future employer..most employeer will just ignore for ppl with low grade.. but it doesnt mean you cant get a good job..its just you have to work a lot harder to proof that you are worth for the company..

i have a friend, whose grade isnt so good, but he is very good in technical skills..so what he does, he bring along all his universiti's project during the interview and the interviewer was very impress with his work..guess what? he was hired.

Just attend the National Career..some companies only will interview for those who had 3.0 above..

If you find the competition tough...and maybe with 3rd class degree you feel that no way you can match up to them (1st and 2nd class degree holders). No point competing in a market where competition so stiff that it's making hell for you. It shows that you're not in the line you should be.

So...you can always EXIT from that competition...and do something you feel that you can beat anyone to it until no competition comes close. Try to make money out of that skills.


I sympathise for blind&deaf....i feel you should do what you feel you are good at. The obstacle is how to convince your parents.

after reading few post from this thread..i totally support this thread..c'mon.. it really give a morale boost to whom with low pointer...

but a reminder...don't sit and satisfy with what u have now...

even i myself...i left with 1 semester to go b4 graduation in IT degree..now my CGPA is in the 3rd class range..so really motivated to do my best b4 graduation