erm, my mistake i think i didnt state clearly...
I mean if comparing it in terms of value when we're finding job out there...

I mean, does a Engineering degree comparing to a IT degree for example, both of the same class, have the same value... thats what i'm asking.

if anyone can give some opinion, thanks

Katsurou,

I will be the horrible person here.  I will be the tough guy.  You will be asked this question and you must be prepared to answer this kind of questions.

1) How the hell did you get such a bad result??

2) Are you a full-time students??

3) Did you worked while you are going through the colleges??

4) If you as a full-time student, you cannot even handle a normal class load with a reasonable result, why makes you think you can handle a normal full-time job??

5) If you say you can be hard working, why do you get such a bad result?? It is across 4 years. 

Unfortunately, you must be able to answer those questions with reasonable response. 

Dreamer

P.S.: A degree is NOT everything.  But, a degree with less that favorable result shows a bad track record.

Ok, this is from my buddy, who also has a Third Class Degree Honours. What he has told me over the years sounds very true.

1. Employers will usually shortlist those who are Second Class Lower and above. Third Class Degree or General Degree are often left out. Nevertheless, it does not mean you cannot get a job. Heck, they are people sweeping the streets and still make a living. Do not think of Third Class as nothing.

2. In life, if you want to make it big, you probably cant depend too much on career. Of course, hardworking is a very positive quality and many companies would pay one person who is really hardworking to multitask, then to pay an average two person to do the same amount of job.

3. My grandpa used to say in Hokkien "How much you wear, how much you eat, how much you earn is all fated." Do not be discouraged of poor results. Make sure you can perform.

4. MOST IMPORTANT POINT, SKILLZ - How many Degree holders has the proper skills? Heck, I have classmates who cant even install Windows XP Pro when he graduated with Second Upper Honours. What does the Degree teaches us? Database design? Software analysis? Programming? Tech support? Microsoft Word even? This is also one of the many reasons, majority females who graduated in IT end up working in other fields. However, they are also very good IT-women out there, quite a few I know who are better than men.

5. NEXT IMPORTANT POINT, INTERPERSONAL SKILLZ - Believe it or not, many organization still thinks that oversea-grads and First Class grads are snobs. The management also know how to utilise manpower. To think about hiring someone First Class and hard-headed. Why not hire someone lower class Degree and bully him. This part, you gotta live with it. Because you suck at your education, you gotta make it up with hardwork. Many First Class grads usually think they are better off than other people and have poor interpersonal and social skills. Not kidding but I'm not stereotyping.

6. Since you already know you screwed up your education, then you make it up with hardwork. Like others have written, working life is a new gateway, a new life. Just like how it was before you stepped into your first day in school. It's also your LAST stage in life before you retire, so dont screw up anymore. If there is ever a time you need to work hard and get up, it's NOW!

Am I sound too harsh? While posting in the serious sub-forums do I have to get this piece of bullcrap so in end of the day everyone knows you are an asscracka ?

My friend received a pass degree in BEng from Sheffield University, UK. He spent 3 years studying there. Oh yeah, he got 9A1 in SPM back in 1999. Did he received piece of shite compared to you ?

Based on the paper alone, a 3rd Class is equal to nothingness.

FYI I graduated from Staffordshire University

nothing i hate worse than self glorifying ******* in the engineering faculty of my uni who thinks they're very much smarter than the people in IT faculty. here's what: GET LOST.

Note Im refering to fresh graduates as a context, not to those who already have working experience etc....

yup, it is better to make a note because some forum-goers are cant read, including those graduated from UK. LMAO!

You get the piece of bullcrap because you posted crap in the first place. LOL!

Why dont you share this early in the post, so I cant make an ass out of you. The standard of UK Staffordshire's graduate. Sigh.. and please we are here generally refering to 3rd Class from local university. I repeat what I've posted earlier.
Read "based on the paper alone". I didnt refer graduates with 3rd Class are worth nothing.
Oh please, I beg you dont mention you are from Staffordshire University. Eww.. 

Actually when it comes to Research & Development (R&D) position , the employer will prefer 1st class academic results. We all know that, I think we should LOL. It doesn't mean when you got 3rd class or pass degree you cannot work right ? The bottomline is try to find a job that suit yourself eg: academic results, personality and etc. Not all jobs require 1st class degree holder 

apa laaa budak-budak ni... sigh...

i'm sharing with u what i know of the system, since i'm a lecturer myself. u see, there's a reason of having degree classification in the first place, but those reasons arent what most of us understand or use nowadays anymore. anyway, to say 3rd class is of equal value with 1st class is absurd. plain and simple.

HOWEVER...

3rd class holders have their place in the industry as well. i know lots of firms who take both 1st class and 3rd class graduates. u see, 1st class n 2nd class usually makes the same pay. only 1st class will have a better chance of securing the post than 2nd class. 3rd class, here's the catch, emit lower pay, hence cheaper labour work, yet still have basic knowledge in the field.

it doesnt sound promising does it? well, it wasnt supposed to. back in those days, 3rd class is quite common. but u have to see that more and more graduates with atleast 2nd class upper are popping out of universities like rabbits. in 5-10 years time, 3rd class may have no value at all, depending on the trend.

but degree is a degree, regardless of general or honours. u can say that degree is just a piece of paper. well, yeah, any ticket gets u in the stadium, but only 1st class tickets get to seat in the grandstand, catch my drift?

still better than no ticket at all...

but degree is a degree, regardless of general or honours. u can say that degree is just a piece of paper. well, yeah, any ticket gets u in the stadium, but only 1st class tickets get to seat in the grandstand, catch my drift?

still better than no ticket at all...

1) "Student cannot speak fluent English"

We have university with low standard.  Those people should not be allow to be graduated to begin with.
2) "Working is different from studying and etc..."

Do you know why I think you have BAD work ethic?? It is actually very simple.  You are arguing with me as opposed to take responsibility and face the fact that you had messed up.  That is a clear sign of the lack of maturity.

Being an adult means you takes responsibility of everything you had done: correctly or not.  Whining is not acceptable.

3) "those earning the most money are not the one study the hardest"

Yes.  You are correct.  But, we are talking about the "hardest" here.  You are not even at the level of studying hard here as you have admitted yourself.

You deserved your result.  So, just leave it as it is.

Dreamer

I think you've mistaken one thing I never even complaint about my result here. You're the one who did it. I'm not feeling ashamed of it and you're the one who's trying to discourage people. And one thing I've learned from my superior in my previous company. People like you will never be succeed in life. Negative-minded and absolutely not suitable to be a leader.

Look back at the way you commented about other people. You said people who can't speak fluent English shouldn't be graduated. I bet they're tons of people who are poor in English can earn much more than you. You're just some pathetic guy who like look down on people and think that you're always best.

You think I have BAD work ethic. But that is what you think only, you don't even have any evidence to prove it. However, as I told you I have a testimonial indicating I'm good employee. Therefore you don't even have the right to judge me like that without any prove. You're the one who's immature and think that only academic results can show everything.