your english is good...your problem might be the lack of self confidence.

aslong as u are not choosy.... u can get any job in the market now...
be confidence ....

totally agreed!

my friends always tell me that a 3rd class engineering cert is no value cuz u'll be competing with 1st class & 2nd class graduates!!! therefore, i think it's not that it's no value, just that a bit hard to find job lo.......

You my boy have got to take it easy....,it sure as hell was wrong for ya parents to act in the manner that they did but we've all got parents now don't we......,only thing is that you have to please yours in a field that was never of your choice in the first place....it's fantastic that you are looking forward and trying to make the best of ya coming days.....


I'm new to this topic and to answer the question of the threadstarter.....

Third class or first class?......no difference,simple as that( minimalism at it's very best...)
There are only 2 things that make a difference in the private sector(if this is the sector that you're referring to threadstarter) and those 2 things would unquestionably be the ability to speak in english(fluently) and connections/ropes/contacts(or whatever else you wanna refer to it as being)......Both of these elements require little or no futher explanation at all as we have basically been well informed of them from very young ages.....when i state the above i do not provide my 2 cents but i do infact state what is universally accepted as being of utmost/paramount importance when new employees are recruited.The man who is sitting at the opposite end of the table is like you(or should i say was...,some years back...) he has probably seen more than candidates than he can handle for the day and is(as you can imagine) tired as hell....,what do you need to do?.....,simple...,speak,blow him away with the complexities and depth of what you're saying(with refernce to the subject matter of course) and at the same time act humble......,smile,be smart but don't give him the impression of being egoistic.......You've got the job man......,Third class degree?......,do all of the above properly and he might not even look at the degree.....,only at the resume(and that too at the expected salary section so that the company doesn't go broke in an attempt to pay you..... )

This post has been edited by tatayoung: Dec 25 2006, 01:43 AM

I read through this post and found out that some of us still do not want to admit that without a good result of study can be a major stumbling block for you to secure a good chance to get an interview, especially for those who are newly graduated from colleges/universities.

Please admit the fact is that if you have bad result in your study, you will have less chances, as compared to those who obtain good result (CGPA), to be selected for an interview session. This is because, nowadays, the filtering system (recruitment application) is advanced, and your resume will be kicked out without a chance for the HR personnel to read it.

Yes, I read most of the post stating that the good result guys do not have proper social skill. Please remember this is statement is not 100% correct. Furthermore:

Good result guys have bad attitude/social skills <> Bad result guys have good attitude/social skills

Please try to re-read the above equation.

Now, for those who have third class/bad result/low CGPA/whatever ... you must think back what should be done to improve your "rewards of not putting true effort in your past".

Several ways can be done:

1) Try to find a job and build up your life [and this is a tough time for you to compete with other good result guys, and no choice for you because you are now tasting your "rewards of not putting true effort in your past"].

2) At the same time, upgrade yourself with certain courses, like changing your field by studying some of the profesisonal courses, like MBA, CFA, etc. Of course, this time you should be aware of that, due to your last time "good effort" in your study, you now need to upgrade/change your educational background to a better one.

3) If you do not want to further study, then what should you do is to gain more working experience/exposure and build up more network (human network), and please be reminded that you can build human network, others (first class guys) can do as well.

4) Save up money, and start up your own business

CONCLUSION:
Please admit and do not deny your failure anymore [failure in your study, third class], and this is the time for you to think of your future, look around what can be done to recover your injure/failure.


P/S: As you can read my post, I did not touch on the discussion of proficiency of english, social skills, etc ... This is because, most of the time, if you have a poor result, you are already not within the chances (shortlist) for an interviewer to call you for an interview. Please admit this, don't deny this anymore because of self-comfort.

If you have bad result, and you feel discouraged for reading my reply, then I feel very sorry to you, but I just want to tell you the truth of our society. Ask yourself, are you a member of our society?

This post has been edited by warezmel: Dec 26 2006, 01:47 AM

Totally agree with warezmel.
MNC managers....they are trying to hire result (academic result) oriented ppls rather than potential ppls. Wt*!~! they can get that high post with good pay but can't do a proper jobs. That why lots of MNC is losing money these day...Haha...thanks to their manager levels ppls.

This post has been edited by ahliang: Dec 25 2006, 04:09 PM

Thats not the case
MNC's receive bajillions of applications on certain post they offered, so they need to filter out the candidates for interview. they have other things to do rather interviewing all candidates so they filter out using 'results' and experiences

So, no matter how bad your pointers are, if you got what it takes, dont be shy and present yourself with a good cover letter for the job. However, the best chance are always the walk-in/open interviews, where they probably cant kick/filter you out coz of pointer (but they can filter you if you are not from an appropriate knowledge background for the job)

This post has been edited by e-jump: Dec 26 2006, 05:16 AM

Most MNCs received tons of application.

It's impossible to precisely measure the full capabilities of each candidates, which is why they have system in place to try and pick the best candidates.

All these people do is follow the hiring guidelines derived set out by the company.

Oh people, If third class doesn't have its value so where does general degree stand ? If you were following UK education forum, there are people who are dissappointed with their 2nd class lower degree to some even wanted to commit suicide.

When you are in employment, they dont look at your cert but if you did your degree from overseas. you are likely to be hired.
nevertheless, experience is what counted.

so what makes you think that a person with a third class can do a better job? Bs alot during interviews like: i have passion, i am a workaholic ...without any results backing it up doesnt impress the interviewer either.

my fren got 3rd class. he become branch asst manager just after working 3 month.

well...i think u cant take ur fren's case as a general case..maybe ur fren is the exceptional case...like wat my fren used to tell me.."scare wat...u dun have education also can rich wat..u see loh boon siew...millionaire eh..he didn have any degree rite?"

how can he take this exceptional case to compare with general case?
.we shud be more realistic..i cant deny 3rd class is lil hard to find job because of the companies filtering system...but still just apply as many jobs as possible..send out as many resume as possible..trust me..for my industrial training...i sent my resume to 33 companies(counted in my mail outbox)...both MNC and not MNC...and guess wat??after 1 month....i got replies from 2 companies only..1 MNC and 1 not MNC..and wat they said in the email?? the MNC ask me to send my resume to another department..another companies ask me to go interview....the rest of the 31 companies...i think they just laughed and throw my resume into dustbin..tat's sad and unfair rite?

but at least i got 1 interview to present myself..

when we got 3rd class degree...we gotta go for any option...cant be choosy anymore like those 1st class student..

make sure u get to go for interview 1st..then only think how to present urself....

u can say some 1st class student cant communicate properly..but they get to go for interview..so no interview..no chance to present urself no matter how good u are in presenting urself...

btw..am not 3rd class..am 2nd class lower..cis...all i can say f**k the company filtering system....but hell....life is unfair..i know...

I don't know why people have the perception that 1st class degree holders have poor communications skills and mere memorisers in their college days.

I believe most of them have GOOD communication skills.

u r judging a book by its cover.... u r jz like those ppl with perception

i would say nobody is perfect, everyone has their own skills irregardless of their academic achievements.

Sometimes it depend on the personality of the person.

Some are very good in everything, but are too arrogant.

I have a friend who has a third class degree, works at shell and makes 4k+ per month... So what did you guys say about third class again? You think MNC all hire first class is it?

An interview, a job is more than just what you can do in your education days. Big deal, so you can read, memorize, and pass exams. A job is more like your family, you get along with everyone, teamwork, understanding, learning... Most of the time, interview evaluate ppl more on their interpersonal skills rather than education background.

1st or 2nd class is just a bonus, nothing more.

3rd class means u sux at learning. and company don't want ppl who can't learn. but it could also mean u're slacking when u're young and naive, which actually means nothing to ur personality and ability in the career.

if u has a bad academic result, u need something BEYOND the education to prove that u're capable -- career skills & experience.

ppl who has bad result often having difficulty looking after his first few job, but after that it doesn't matter anymore.

I see most of the replies / asnwers in this thread is not relevant or just, based on my humble opinion, as of below quality as what should be expected.

Yes, the title/subject of this post is Third Class = No value? ... I think answer should not the one who promoting that 3rd class is useful, or degrade the effort for those who already put much efforts on his/her study in university.

Please be reminded that, we here, I hope, most of us, are to help others and share our experiences / opinions to others or new comers. Hence,

Our reply should:

1) Tell the truth to 3rd class that they will face difficulties in our society or thier job finding and this is the fact that they must face in thier career path.
2) Suggest a way for them to improve themselves in future, so that they themselves, and not others, can help thier future. These actions must be started now.
3) Do not be subjective and deny the effort for those who worked hard in their university. This is unfair to them, don't you agree with me?
4) Do not use a special case to promote one of two 3rd class (minority percentage only) that can succeed in thier job finding/career path. Yes, this can be said you try to motivate the 3rd class to bravely face the fact of our society, but don't you think that by telling / informing to them the potential difficulities, which is the fact, that will be faced by them in their interview / career is better?

I think the most important thing is to direct them (3rd class) to correct path and do not make them fall into the situation of inferiority complex.

This post has been edited by cyberlearner: Dec 29 2006, 01:56 PM