Will companies employ a third class degree holder.
Or it's a no value degree?

This is what happened to my friend who dont even have Degree at all. He only studied till Advanced Dip due to finance problems. He then worked for 2 years before going for his Degree.

He went to interview. He is confident and all my life I know he's a good talker, just poor and not much opportunity.

He said to the interviewer, sorta argued even I think cause I dont know how he say it exactly but he went on saying something like this.

"Degree wont even teach you how to trouble shoot Exchange server! If you give me an opportunity to work here, I will not disappoint you. If I do not perform to my expected pay, you dont have to pay me. I pack at the end of the month."

Because of guts, he was hired. No kidding man.

Well, I did not believe that high CGPA means high performance. But I do believe that we should treat every class as the same.

the type of statement that ur fren made will soon backfired. why u might ask? cos soon one day, ur fren will make a mistake, sooner or later..no1 is perfect...then the boss who hired him will then take to opportunity to use this statement against him...i dont think it will look nice if one gets fired...

and to say one cannot study cos financial problems and distractions, for me that are excuses...there are tons of education instutions in malaysia...and there is ptptn...and there is public universities...u might say that public uni need stpm...then why not sit for stpm? its the cheapest alternative...and then u might say cos spm not good...then one shud just look back in the past, and ask "why didnt i study and have a decent grade?"...

as for the discussion on whether or not third degree has value or not, well, its up to one's own viewpoint...well, i saved that for another time...

pls dont see this as a backlash...just my two cents...

Unless you are telling me that you were working while you are studying or you learn some IT stuff on your own why should you get a fair treatment??


Dreamer

Dreamer,
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  . I worked when I was studying because my family did not has the money for me to further my study. I studied at night till dawn. Please do understand that your viewpoint might be good enough to those typical people who did not face financial problems during their studies and their job is to study and study. You dont seems to understand that some people might have different situation there. Please do consider. We are not here to insult nor console. A person that scored high in CGPA, but she did not has good interpersonal skills, she is not sociable, she lives in her own life and a person that scored lower CGPA, which she is sociable, good interpersonal skill, expose more to the working world, have more contacts. Who would you prefer if you are a manager?

Jinyee

1) I got a third class degree because I failed a doublle module subject (one subject = two subjects). The reason I failed the subject because I spent too much time on doing one question. I'm a perfectionist. I can't jump into another question until I finish one. As I mentioned in my previous post my assignment score is very high in the class.

2) Full time

3) I worked only during semester breaks

4) Exam evaluation doesn't really applicabale to everyone. Working is different from studying. When I worked I know what I learn from work is useful for my job. However, what you study doesn't mean it's useful for your job. I believe for some courses you won't have the chance use up to 30-40% of what you've learned from the college or university. If you've studied so hard and don't know why are you studying for and how to use it then you're just a bookworm.

5) I can't say I'm hardworking in studying but when it comes to working I am. My previous manager (during my semester break) have a very good impression on me because of my performance.

Dreamer,

 
        3.0 is not a HIGH CGPA. Of course its not. The scenario I mentioned above is just a creativity of mine. No offence. In local universities, I believe if you get below 3.3, you are definately poor; but comparing with private colleges and universities, obtaining a 3.0 is consider good already. It differs from one to another.

        I got your point. Low CGPA is not due to ONE failure only, which its accumulated by various failures. Anyway, what's your rational in differing HIGH CGPA and LOW CGPA? High is 4.0 - 3.8 ? or ...?
Regards,
Jinyee

Dreamer,

   
    Obviously, you misunderstand. I mentioned CGPA in my previous post, but you kept on mentioning GPA repeatedly. What causes low CGPA? low GPA. What causes low GPA? Poor results with long credit hours. One can get  4.0 for GPA once, but 3.0 GPA for another, and if the latter one consumed more credit hours, the total CGPA will goes down, not 3.5.
Jinyee

in a world with so much graduates with degrees now, what is a simple diploma, my fren...2 exp with 3rd class diploma against a 1st class honours degree student with a cgpa of 3.75 with no exp? sorry dude...i will have to choose the latter one...with a good head and willingness to learn, im sure the 1st class honours student will try to learn as much as possible...and ur statement to say that all fresh grads do not have confidence, pls do not generalize lar...

why not give fresh grads a chance (esp those with damn good grades)...if no1 give chance to them, then how to get exp la...remember the old saying, catch 22, u cant job without exp BUT u cant get exp without job...remember that my fren...

as for the second part, my fren, yes...i did all my studies in a local public university in msia...all rite after stpm...all under ptptn...i have a part time job...to pay for my expenses inclu cellphone bills, books etc...a full 3 years IT course in public uni will cost around rm900 per semester, my fren...and i am going to pay off my ptptpn soon...

so, dude...not everyone in this world is a 2 Small Joe...there is still ppl who earn it the hard way...

FYI, my university only takes 7 final subjects to classify the degree. Failing one double module subject already can pull down my classification greatly.

As I understood from your statement, you mean people with good results are wiling to work with boring stuff. I have one question here. Why they're so many students who can't speak fluent english? Isn't it because they think english is boring or too difficult to learn? May be you can answer that for me.

As I told you in the previous post. Working is different from studying. What you learn from working is useful for your job but not necessary from your studies. Even if parts of the working process are boring but still I'm more motivated to learn them because I know I will need to use them. However, when it comes to studying, you're only memorizing things that you might not be even using or applying them in the future.

How can you tell a person has good work ethic where he has no working experience before? People who has received a first class but never work before can you confirm to say that he/she has a very good working ethic? Compared to me who has been worked in a MNC before during my semester break and was awarded a testimonial saying that I'm a good-natured and hardworking employee.

Once again you think that studying reflects working attidude but why those earning the most money are not the ones who study the hardest in schools or colleges?

I think you've mistaken one thing I never even complaint about my result here. You're the one who did it. I'm not feeling ashamed of it and you're the one who's trying to discourage people. And one thing I've learned from my superior in my previous company. People like you will never be succeed in life. Negative-minded and absolutely not suitable to be a leader.

Look back at the way you commented about other people. You said people who can't speak fluent English shouldn't be graduated. I bet they're tons of people who are poor in English can earn much more than you. You're just some pathetic guy who like look down on people and think that you're always best.

You think I have BAD work ethic. But that is what you think only, you don't even have any evidence to prove it. However, as I told you I have a testimonial indicating I'm good employee. Therefore you don't even have the right to judge me like that without any prove. You're the one who's immature and think that only academic results can show everything.

Why? With a first class degree, the potential employers will perceive the candidates who gain it will have better attitude in learning, which contribute to their excellent result. But, some might not be REALLY hardworking. I observed some friends of mine focus on the tips that the lecturers gave and manage to obtain good result. They played all time and perhaps these bunch of people are those who did not really dedicate in their studies but they were hardworking too, they contacted their friends everywhere to gain MORE tips when the exam is near. They hardwork in digging tips.

hmm, u right there, there's certainly a hope.

i got 1 more question to ask, i right now in 3rd year Engineering degree, my CGPA is just 2.40 onli, left 1 more year to go only...time too short edi, spend too much time playing games and no study.
Should i extend 1 extra year(after 4th year) to repair some certain subjects?mean spending 5 yrs. what do you guys advice?

Dreamer,
  Yes, the reality is that you are in the game when you know how to play the game, otherwise you will be put aside or waste your effort. Would the statement be ' the smartest person is ones who do the less thing but being rewarded the most?'

Jinyee

It's just numbers. But an important numbers. I could simply put it this way, based on malay proverbs,

1st class/top scorer = bersusah-susah dahulu, bersenang-senang kemudian

3rd class/Lazy bump = bersenang-senang dahulu, bersusah susah susah susah kemudian.

I'm a recent graduate in mechanical engineering, and in this profession what i see the most important is passion. I believe that it applies to every profession and if you have this, no matter what class you are, you could sell your self better than any other competitors.

Let me give an example. I got friend in college who is definitely smart, have good interpersonal skills, communication skills and a first class degree. The whole package but she's a girl (i know i'm sexist). She's a mechanical engineer like my self, but frankly speaking she couldn't even differentiate between a radiator and carburetor. The reason why this happens is because it is not being taught in the course. The reason guys know it because of their passion.

I am in the third class club, but one thing that i have in me that i can see as a helping factor in my career is my passion. Most of the knowledge i gain throughout the learning process is not in lecture halls or books. It is from exposure to the real world of engineering by working and handling pressures.

I've asked several friends while in college, yes there are what we call the genius or memorizer and whatever you may call them, about what is the reason they put to sort of fins at the side of the BMW M3 where normal 3 series have none. First answers, answered with a question, what is M3? Second anwer, probably decorations? You don't even have to go to school to know the anwers but apparently this sort of anwser are no way to be found in books or never mentioned by lecturers.

What is this gotta to do with being an engineer? Nothing, with passion in a certain aspects will let you know that fins could improve airflow to the piping hot engine revving up to more than 7000 rpm and definitely improve performance. Take Proton for example, took only 3.0 and above engineers to work with them. But do this excellent engineers produce the best car in the market? Take Orange County Choppers for the next example, I'm pretty sure most of those guys don't have even have a degree don't even mention a 3rd class, but with their passion they design and build their choppers from scratch and it is one the best in business.

I sell my self this way during the interview by telling them i may not be a good student, but i'm sure im a good engineer.

Unless you are a chancellor, dean, registrar or anybody that has relation with the education system, i don't think you have the proper authority to deny anybody their right to get a degree. Please let me know if you're one of those listed above.

I'm willing to give my school name as long as you're willing to give your company name or the place that you currently working. So that we all here don't have to waste our time applying there. 

The first impression that you have showed me, shows that you are definitely someone who thinks highly of himself. Can't admit your mistakes nor can't anwer any questions properly. 

With powerful force than the people in the education system...this sure send shivers down our spines  

I assume this powerful force of yours is this forum. Seen you've been quite active in writing in forums. What school by the way? I guess you can't use this power and soon Malaysia will be crawling with cheap degree holder.

What makes you think that you can judge whether a degree is cheap or not? The only person that i think capable of judging this kind of matter is our employers. Judging based of whether we perform to the expected job scope.

The court judge can only judge the alleged offender after the act of crime has happen not before. The same applies here and this is the system whether you accept it or not.

How about you learn engineering few more year and later we can discuss this matter properly. If we even had that chance... I just happen to have a good life outside this forum and don't intend to be a forum addict like you

Yeah..I know it's hard but it all thanks to those ppl here who encourage the rest. I'm wondering which company should I look into it and the possibility to be employed is high as well? Mind giving me some guide??

ps: Chemical Engineering Graduates.....