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post Oct 30 2013, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(periuk_api1209 @ Oct 30 2013, 10:11 AM)
.huh?? yer ker?? aku guggel la balik..huhuhuhuh
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depends on who u ask. officially RSN says aster missiles without naming the model.

Jane's initially reported as aster-15 only based on photos of the launcher (sylver a43).
now they say it could be a different launcher (a50) that is aster-30 capable.

Defense Tech journal says its aster-30. (pg 45)
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post Oct 30 2013, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Oct 30 2013, 10:28 AM)
depends on who u ask. officially RSN says aster missiles without naming the model.

Jane's initially reported as aster-15 only based on photos of the launcher (sylver a43).
now they say it could be a different launcher (a50) that is aster-30 capable.

Defense Tech journal says its aster-30. (pg 45)
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yeap, no confirm said RSS Formidable using A43 or A50.....
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post Oct 30 2013, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(James831 @ Oct 30 2013, 01:05 AM)
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which version u guys think most likely choose by RMN?

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does this design consider is Auxiliary Ship or LPD?
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Most likely 8000 or at most 13000

Navy set requirement for 3 of such ships, and if given how limited the budget is chances the smaller one will be chosen. Though, i prefer open top deck. laugh.gif

Then again, no news on it watsoever. It been silent for almost 3 years, could be revived back when malaysia start their marine force as they need an amphibious capable ship to move around


second more of auxiliary ship. One of the requirements for ldp is it much be able to land two or more heli on top.
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post Oct 30 2013, 12:03 PM

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Vietnam to Get Russian ‘Black Hole’ Sub Next Month

© RIA Novosti. Vitaly Ankov
22:44 28/10/2013

MOSCOW, October 28 (RIA Novosti) – Vietnam will next month take delivery of a Russian submarine dubbed “a black hole in the ocean” by the US Navy for its undetectability when submerged, a military industry source told RIA Novosti on Monday.

Vietnam ordered a fleet of six Varshavyanka class diesel-electric submarines in 2009 in what has been seen as an effort to counterbalance China’s expanding maritime influence.

The contract, which also includes training for Vietnamese submarine crews in Russia, is reportedly worth $2 billion.

Project 636M submarines have very low noise emission and can hit targets at long distances without being detected by the enemy’s anti-submarine systems.

All total of six boats are being built for Vietnam at the Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg. They are due for delivery by 2016.

The vessels displace 3,100 tons, reach speeds of 20 knots, can dive to 300 meters and carry crews of 52 people.

The submarines feature 533-mm torpedo tubes and are armed with torpedoes, mines and Kalibr 3M54 (NATO SS-N-27 Sizzler) cruise missiles. They are mainly intended for anti-shipping and anti-submarine missions in relatively shallow waters.


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post Oct 30 2013, 12:06 PM

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this sgpv program i think is more crucial than the mrca, when come to think we are lacking in terms of quantity and ability with our most advance frgate only able to engage surface target approximately 72km and air target for abot 15km plus the lacking weaponary on board on the ngpv kedah class

for the airforce we have about 18 su30 mkm, 10 mig 29n, 8 f18 d where a total 36 modern aircraft not include the bae hawk and f5 tiger. While SU30 mkm are consider as one the best fighter jet around with i seriously doubt that any contender in mrca the like f18 super hornet, typhoon, rafale or gripen are superior than flanker in a dogfight unless the been given to the role anti-ship or ground attack. But the SU 30mkm and f18d have been equip anti-ship capable engaging target 50-70km away. Is essential for the sgpv to be able to engage air target 50 km away since all modern aircratf nowaday hv the ability to fire long range missile
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QUOTE(hafizushi @ Oct 30 2013, 12:06 PM)
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I hope the best on whatever the navy get on this sgpv deal, I just hope that the next big step is to acquire a proper guided missile vessel
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perghh CIWS is a serious biznes yo!
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QUOTE(thpace @ Oct 30 2013, 11:37 AM)
Most likely 8000 or at most 13000

Navy set requirement for 3 of such ships, and if given how limited the budget is chances the smaller one will be chosen. Though, i prefer open top deck. laugh.gif

Then again, no news on it watsoever. It been silent for almost 3 years, could be revived back when malaysia start their marine force as they need an amphibious capable ship to move around
second more of auxiliary ship. One of the requirements for ldp is it much be able to land two or more heli on top.
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If want to get fast and cheap LPD, can consider TNI KRI Banjarmasin LPD from markassar class, price around usd 50~60 Million depend configuration, just they not using military standard specification. but no problem used in 30 year.

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anyway Singapore ST also selling the Endurance LHD 140, maybe can consider.

if got budget Enforce 8000 or 13000t should be ok.

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The Zumwalt-class guided-missile destroyer DDG 1000 is floated out of dry dock at the General Dynamics Bath Iron Works shipyard. The ship, the first of three Zumwalt-class destroyers, will provide independent forward presence and deterrence, support special operations forces and operate as part of joint and combined expeditionary forces. Photo: General Dynamics

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QUOTE(hafizushi @ Oct 30 2013, 12:06 PM)
this sgpv program i think is more crucial than the mrca, when come to  think we are lacking in terms of quantity and ability with our most advance frgate only able to engage surface target approximately 72km and air target for abot 15km plus the lacking weaponary on board on the ngpv kedah class

for the airforce we have about 18 su30 mkm, 10 mig 29n, 8 f18 d where a total 36 modern aircraft not include the bae hawk and f5 tiger. While SU30 mkm are consider as one the best fighter jet around with i seriously doubt that any contender in mrca the like f18 super hornet, typhoon, rafale or gripen are superior than flanker in a dogfight unless the been given to the role anti-ship or ground attack. But the SU 30mkm and f18d have been equip anti-ship capable engaging target 50-70km away. Is essential for the sgpv to be able to engage air target 50 km away since all modern aircratf nowaday hv the ability to fire long range missile
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ithink both also importance, 10 MIG going to retirement in 2015. bae hawk mostly on training. so we depend 18 Su-30mkm and 8 F18 from 2015, this is increase Utilization of Su-30mkm and f-18. we need of about 36~48 aircraft for airforce.

if Gowind & Kedah class use ESSM, all issue solved.
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 30 2013, 01:07 PM)
perghh CIWS is a serious biznes yo!
kat mymil tgh dok hangat nih!
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Searams ftw.

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post Oct 30 2013, 02:23 PM

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If MICA VL so good why is it that none of the French Navy ships use them nor planned to be used in their new ships of ALL Classes and Dimensions? French Air Force and Navy use the air launch version 1 - 80 km !

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Oct 30 2013, 01:08 PM)
If want to get fast and cheap LPD, can consider TNI KRI Banjarmasin LPD from markassar class, price around usd 50~60 Million depend configuration,  just they not using military standard specification. but no problem used in 30 year.

user posted image

anyway Singapore ST also selling the Endurance LHD 140, maybe can consider. 

if got budget Enforce 8000 or 13000t should be ok.
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Most likely I would say rmn will not consider markassar class. 1st) it not up to military spec and most rmn navy commander does not feel safe in using civilian spec ships. Bunga mas 5 is an exception because it too high cost to run a military ship for non so crucial mission like pirate patrol.

2nd) malaysia kiasu dont like purchase stuffs others already have. New and not used by others in the region is malaysia interest

3rd) malaysia like foreign equipments and training included. Any deal must include Tot and etc etc. I dont think ST will agree to TOT

4rd) personally I dont like stuff from indon. Does not give me the sense of quality. hahaha
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post Oct 30 2013, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(Phillip_x @ Oct 30 2013, 02:23 PM)
If MICA VL so good why is it that none of the French Navy ships use them nor planned to be used in their new ships of ALL Classes and Dimensions? French Air Force and Navy  use the air launch version 1 - 80 km !
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because of the short range, it used as point defence.

in france, their point defence is using ciws while their longer range area defence is provided by aster 30 missile or shorte range aster 15. Diff configuration, so there no point for them to install mica since there already an existing system which they can use

our case however, no ciws, that dsm30 can shoot sulu boat but I highly doubt it can send enough rounds like in ciws to destroy incoming missile. So the only point defence is to use mica. This is what I think la

other than that, , ESSM and a ciws would have been the better option than mica or dsm30.
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QUOTE(thpace @ Oct 30 2013, 02:39 PM)
because of the short range, it used as point defence. 

in france, their point defence is using ciws while their longer range area defence is provided by aster 30 missile or shorte range aster 15. Diff configuration,  so there no point for them to install mica since there already an existing system which they can use

our case however,  no ciws, that dsm30 can shoot sulu boat but I highly doubt it can send enough rounds like in ciws to destroy incoming missile.  So the only point defence is to use mica. This is what I think la

other than that, , ESSM and a ciws would have been the better option than mica or dsm30.
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probably those in power thinks rather than having area defence missiles, better put some skinnies on the deck armed with rpg7s..
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QUOTE(Phillip_x @ Oct 30 2013, 02:23 PM)
If MICA VL so good why is it that none of the French Navy ships use them nor planned to be used in their new ships of ALL Classes and Dimensions? French Air Force and Navy  use the air launch version 1 - 80 km !
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iianm the mica vl launcher can also fire the aster 15.

QUOTE(thpace @ Oct 30 2013, 02:32 PM)
3rd) malaysia like foreign equipments and training included. Any deal must include Tot and etc etc.  I dont think ST will agree to TOT
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they won't buy from ST because... it's singapore. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 30 2013, 01:07 PM)
perghh CIWS is a serious biznes yo!
kat mymil tgh dok hangat nih!
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tbf vl mica or aster or any anti air missile is able to engage incoming missile and bofors 57 also can engage incoming missile but need to use different ammo

but still i agree with yinchet we does need a proper ciws like searam

my opinion ds30 are been using to engage small boat not as ciws which for me not necessary since it defeat the purpose as being the ship of size 3000 tons we might as well just go for fast boat if to counter small boat. Ship like ngpv and sgpv shud only provide surveillance eventhough sgpv can fire missile to small boat and use their bofors
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[quote=cks2k2,Oct 30 2013, 02:47 PM]
iianm the mica vl launcher can also fire the aster 15.

Sylver launcher A43 is able to support both Miica Vl and Aster 15 ..from what little open source info available ...but not not the Sylver A35 launcher. Mica VL can use the Seawolf launcher.

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QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Oct 30 2013, 02:47 PM)
iianm the mica vl launcher can also fire the aster 15.
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MICA-VL M don't need launcher. it can be launch direct from storage canister. that's why it cheap (AAM system). It's another story if we acquire Sylver Launcher.

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