so many safety features sure impact RV here

look at lexus vs toyota here

no matter what i drive, i'm a well believer of when its your time to go, its your time. even if you are on obama's cadillac.

Persona is not recommended anyway. It is their oldest design, and probably very similar to the Gen2. The Gen2 was about as good as a Toyota Avanza, which means it's bad. The Australians also don't recommend it, even though theirs probably has more airbags.

@EP6CDTM: I think down the road RV of less safe cars will suffer.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Jul 25 2013, 05:03 PM

Let's hope it is not another 5-star safety, 1-star quality like how Preve did in Australia

There are new safety crash test conduct in US.
It is call small overlap test. You will be amazed "some" cars being praised so much in malaysia failed terribly in that test....

More info:
http://www.iihs.org/

http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=1751
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=1679&seriesid=560

This post has been edited by sunami: Jul 25 2013, 05:09 PM

Safety Lesson

In case you have not been shared this in Facebook



i can't translate Japanese too but you get the picture

2 star quality la.

Btw, the car that caradvice received was horrible. The dash was not fitted properly. It is still proton fault for not giving them the good car.

Lesson of the day, don't get electric power windows as they will not function when underwater. Better get manually wind windows !

This post has been edited by E34E36E46: Jul 25 2013, 05:22 PM

Asking a lame question here: Safety ratings for different categories of cars. If both a small car and a bigger car get 5 star ( or equivalent ), can we assume both are as safe? Or the bigger car is always safer?

I kinda doubt you can even get the windows winded down due to the pressure difference lol.

Same rating bigger car bigger car should be safer. Also same rating newer car newer car should be safer, cause they keep increasing the requirements.

Is it confirmed same rating bigger car is safer? It should be but sometimes it can be deceiving like those crash tests where those big solid cars do worse. Ford Fiesta is quite high rating. If bang against Honda Accord(also high rating), who will come out better? Guess nobody does such tests?

Yes they do have tests on small car against big car from the same manufacturer. Toyota Camry vs Toyota Yaris, Honda Accord vs Jazz and MB E-Class vs SmartForTwo. The test dummies in the bigger cars always come out the winners, pure physics. Bigger mass and longer crumble zone all in favour of the bigger cars (assuming all the other safety features are similar for big and small cars).

You can search in YouTube "Camry vs Yaris crash test"

This post has been edited by E34E36E46: Jul 25 2013, 10:05 PM

In the videos you can actually see the little cars being bounced off like toy cars !

The crash test ratings were based on all the cars traveling at the same speeds and hit against a TOTALLY UNMOVABLE CONCRETE BLOCK. Therefore the bigger cars were inevitably subjected to a much higher impact force (mass x velocity=momentum) when compare to the smaller cars (smaller mass x same[U] velocity = smaller momentum). The rating will be based on the damages inflicted on the test dummies during the crash under the same speed but NOT under the same impact force. Under this circumstances, the small car's damages may look acceptable, hence the 5 star rating. On the other hand, if the two cars (big & small) collided head on in real life, both will be subjected to the same impact force. Then the smaller car is going to take the beating for sure, if they have the same star ratings.

This post has been edited by E34E36E46: Jul 25 2013, 10:33 PM

77 people or so. Do you have any idea how many die in Spanish traffic and how many die in Malaysian traffic? In relation to the size of the population?

Countries that drive safer cars have fewer deaths on the road. That is a fact.

Also I find it a bit offensive that you are trying to use this incident for your case. I have a good friend in that region, and she was traveling at that time.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Jul 26 2013, 11:47 AM

Agreed, safety features are important, especially the active ones. I met with with an situation not long ago that i had to swerve my car unexpectedly and the esp was activated and my car was brought under control almost immediately. Should i have opted for a good RV car things could be different.

IMO control is the key of safe

I think a marauder would be a better choice for you

Cant get the roadtax approved