Bro, dun waste your energy to explain to him.

This post has been edited by dares: Jul 27 2013, 10:39 AM

Good one

One more thing to do, we can start driving without safety belt

This post has been edited by E34E36E46: Jul 27 2013, 12:32 PM

What about this?

Japanese head2head with Deutch? R.I.P


Info:http://www.nst.com.my/latest/three-people-including-a-dentist-killed-in-crash-1.327181

Doesn't look like a head on collision to me. The Vios was hit in the front it seems, the Golf was hit in the side. Or perhaps a small overlap crash at high speed. Quite weird. We don't get to see the other side of the Vios btw.

They say it happened while overtaking, the Golf couldn't make it back on it's lane in time. That suggest small overlap, but also a crash that should have occured on the right side of the car. Look at the Vios, it is limping, the right side looks like it is completely gone, while the front left wheel is still attached. The door is dented, perhaps from the attempt to open the door. It looks much more like the Golf U-turning and the Vios crashing into it sideways, because the car is dented in a way that suggest the impact was on the right side of the car, and you can also see the left side of the front end of the Golf looking rather intact.

Doesn't match the description though, but how about the Vios and the Golf colliding, then the Golf spun out of control and into the pole you can see in the background (or another one we can't see). That's what has brought the car totally out of shape. That would also explain why the left front end of the Golf is relatively ok, where it should be completely crumpled.

The damage inflicted on the Golf is typical of hitting a pole or tree trunk on the side, just like a karate chop on a curry puff. The possible scenario: the Golf hit the Vios in a slight overlap frontal collision and the Golf spun n skidded (due to high speed during a failed overtaking and avoidance maneuver) and hit a lamp post or telephone pole on the left side and literally folded and break into two.

Golf is supposedly a much safer car (active & passive wise) than a Vios, but under certain circumstances, it still cannot save the occupants. The motto is to drive safely, even you are driving a perceived to be much safer Conti car.

This post has been edited by E34E36E46: Jul 27 2013, 09:03 PM

Phew, what a horrific crash!

why your stupidity overcome your common sense?

it's so funny to see these kind of reply like retard.

A bit difficult to accept king of conti common car get such a damages which unsafe Vios still look OK.

Lots of made up story base on a single photo shot isn't it, some support article would make ur story more believable.

How about mine, despite equipped with full passive safety features & pass Euro NCAP crash test, the Golf crumble like a Streuselkuchen when it meet an accident with a less safe little Asians Toyota Vios, no wonder Toyota r so confidence to only fit in 2 air bags in it without esp.

Motto of the story don't fully believe in conti tech...lol...or conti man.

This post has been edited by jolokia: Jul 27 2013, 10:20 PM

It's the other way round. Driving a safe car (within budget) is common sense.

@jolokia: Very doubtful that an impact on the front right side of the car would make the car collapse on the LEFT side around the B pillar, leaving the FRONT of the car more or less intact. Or rather that is impossible.


http://miros-road-safety.blogspot.com/2008...ta-vios-at.html

The damage to the Golf looks very much like the damage to this Vios. What happened? The Vios crashed into a tree, sideways. I'm fairly sure that that is what happened to the Golf. You can also see how the side airbags were deployed in the Golf, again, something that wouldn't happen if the impact had been on the right side of the Golf where it should have happened according to the description and according to the damage to the Vios.

http://digital.nstp.com.my/nst/books/13072.../index.html#/7/
There is another photo of the Golf. Sadly it sits behind a stupid paywall that blocks after having seen the page for a few seconds... maybe someone can get a direct link to the image in the meantime (for example with adblock plus). In any case, there was only one impact, and it was on the left side of the Golf. No clue how that could have happened, but side impacts are more serious than frontal impacts. Apparently in this case the protection wasn't good enough. What does surprise me is how POOR the Vios did. For the Vios it was a frontal impact, for which the Vios should have decent protection. It also doesn't look that damaged. Yet the driver died?!

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Jul 27 2013, 11:28 PM

The two guys in the Golf have no chance of survival are to be expected.

But what puzzled me was how come the dentist in the Vios was killed in the accident, when the external damage to the Vios looks minimal ?
Did he forgot to put on his seat belt or during impact he hit his head on the A-pillar/B-pillar or window(no curtain airbags) ? Well, only the coroner and police will know. The dentist had such a promising future.

This post has been edited by E34E36E46: Jul 28 2013, 12:57 AM

Not even a Myvi/Saga would crumple on the side like that if it is just a solely full-frontal impact.

My take on it: The Golf tried to evade the Vios by swerving to the right (into the grass), and the dugong T-boned it at an angle. Of course, I'm just making up stories based on the picture.

Anyway, can see in the pic that the driver's airbag in the Vios was deployed.

You need a wedge-like object (tree trunk or lamp post) to create that kind of damage to the Golf. The front end of a Vios is too wide and blunt(don't want to use "soft crumple zone", lest I get bash for bashing Vios) to have such a penetrating damage inflicted. Sometime the car was being sliced into two pieces (seen a picture of a "Potong" suffered this fate).

It's late and I can't sleep, so here's a little illustration of my take of the accident.

disclaimer: uneducated guess base on the NST picture



This post has been edited by dares: Jul 28 2013, 01:52 AM

+1 for illustration

but I think its more angled(Tboned+ few more degrees). Probably the Golf was already spinning since the golf ended at its right of way side of the road(right of illustration)

I tot the Golf is on the opposite side (as in, the angle of the photo was taken from the top of my illustration looking downwards....the Vios ended up facing the wrong direction of his lane.)

Great illustration. I think dares angle makes sense, however I think the right of the Vios should have been the point of impact, but that wouldn't work. The Metro pic doesn't show any damage apart from the side impact, so that is where the Vios had hooked in.

I doubt the Golf was out of control, it should have ESP and handle well enough. Getting it to go completely sideways isn't easy.

While the damage does look a bit odd, I suppose it could be possible. The Vios isn't per se a weak car, it just lacks in side protection and skid protection.

I've had an accident at such an angle before (but from back to the front), the damage to my Citroen was relatively big (bad angle I suppose...) compared to the damage to the other car that hid my side (Focus). Both cars are from the early 00s. The speed was low so not much happened, even the side airbags didn't have to deploy, neither did the front airbag of the Focus. That the Vios didn't suffer so much damage doesn't surprise me, that the driver died does. The speeds must have been rather high... probably the Vios going around the speed limit perhaps, the VW since it was trying to overtake more? I can imagine that due to the angle the Vios was redirected, and the driver must have hit the airbag at a suboptimal angle and moved on into the A pillar or something like that.

The Golf position really confuses me. I can see how the Vios was redirected a bit towards the center of the road, but the Golf? The Vios must really have hooked into the Golf and sent it backwards, but it is a lighter car...

If the Golf driver had gone for a straight head on collision, with as much overlap as possible, perhaps everyone could have survived (well, at least those in the Golf, due to it being the bigger car).

Keep in mind the smaller the overlap, the more serious the accident, because it is much tougher on the car/crumple zone. Unless you drive that Suzuki D segment car or a Volvo (or an ancient Citroen DS). Those cars have systems to redirect the car in a small overlap crash.

My guess why casualty of Vios driver.
Malaysia is a Right hand drive country, driver seat at Right side.

This post has been edited by jolokia: Jul 28 2013, 08:47 AM

In the picture, the right side, which is the driver's compartment still looked intact and not crushed. Even the damage on the driver's door looked minimal, only slightly out of shape on the window frame. That's why I am puzzled.

This post has been edited by E34E36E46: Jul 28 2013, 09:44 AM

But the Golf was damaged only on the left side, which would indicate that unless the Golf had done a 180 (which is pretty unlikely, unless they pulled the handbrake perhaps) the Vios would have to have hit the Golf with it's left side too. And even so, a frontal collision should be fine for a Vios. It is a bit softer than the Fiesta, but it's still okayish. I could imagine that the driver missed the airbag, or not have worn seatbelts. Or the crash happened at a too high speed, but then we should be seeing more damage to the Vios.

Come to think of it why few adults like us wasting time to think how the accident occurred base on single photo, what ever it is, it's water under the bridge, take it as a lesson that no car is perfectly safe, drive carefully, have patient, don't speed, never drink & drive, avoid using cellphone in car unless u r passenger.
Cheer up its a Sunday, let's enjoy it with friends & family, again drive carefully.