haha yep

Not every day. But usually 4 times a year I do. Every day I drive 190 km... in the morning 85, in the evening after a long work day another 85.

I can drive properly without the safety features, and I don't drive differently. I have caught the car last minute before I had the safety tech. Maybe it's just me, but sometimes I nap away even though I'm fully awake just minutes earlier, and can't even sleep if I try to. I try not to rely on the safety tech, cause I know there can be a road section without markings, there can be dirt in front of the camera, or really heavy rain/fog can disturb the system too... . But so far this tech has worked almost always (there's also a little icon telling me when it sees road markings). Even if you only ever need it once, you'll be glad that you've had it when that time comes.

And what the reviewer is saying is what I am trying to say, too. I'd like to add that you never know when you may need it. You may be the best, safest, most attentive driver in the world. But at some point you may get distracted, you may be a bit tired and can't find a place to stop/don't realize you're getting tired. Something completely surprising and unexpected can happen... remember the poor cop that had something drop from a lorry in front of him? How can you predict that happening? The computer would slam the brakes much faster than a surprised human being can.

Btw., we do have reached the point where some self driving cars are safer drivers than humans. Tesla is there for example, and Google is years ahead of Tesla.

Oh, and I'd like to know: When you change lanes, do you turn your head to the side to see if there's a car in the blind spot?

kadajawi, you should get an auto transmission car. One less thing to worry about.


This post has been edited by Ginny88: Feb 8 2017, 10:47 AM

quite informative one. i watch also

u... u... u..... u.... speechless

Nice to have, but not an excuse to shirk from one's responsibility as a driver. You can't exactly tell the police...."I was distracted, but my auto city braking was suppose to stop the car!!" then you serve a Letter of Demand to the carmaker and the car in front for stopping too quickly

Yes, I do turn my head quickly and glance sideways to make sure there are no cars before I change lanes.

Yes I do turn my head a little bit so that the corner or my eye will see the blind spots. The way I set my mirrors is also very much angled out to cover as much blind spot as possible even though that means I can only see just a tiny edge of the side of my car. I also replace my inside mirror with much bigger and wider ones to cover more of the blind side especially on my left. I've been driving basic cars forever now and have never had any accidents nor contacts in the last 20 yrs or so even when driving in Jakarta which is way2 much tougher than driving anywhere in Malaysia! Yet I'm by no means a slow driver also, but to the contrary, on average I drive much faster than probably 95% of the population (I hate speed limits!). That's why I trust myself more than those electronic assistance. As for self driving cars, like I said before, I want to see those in action in Jakarta or Mumbai or other similarly chaotic places and see if they can really work as intended.

Let me throw you a question now. Which one do you think is safer: a Proton Suprima/Preve with VSC or a Lancer Evo VII/III without VSC but only AWD & AYC and bigger better tires? Both about the same price now.

frankly.... the supreemah.... given the scenario where you are definitely going to get hit....

Consider auto changing gear another electronic aid.

Ok due to more airbags I suppose? But let me rephrase my question then, which one has better capability to avoid accidents/getting hit in the first place?

I do think both car has quite similar capability to avoid accident provided the DRIVER is fully aware and possessed sufficient driving skill and no other car around.

But having said that, the Evo should have better agility and stability of AWD to avoid it

I also think in most condition the Evo will be better at avoiding accidents, not just due to the AWD but also the bigger/better tires, brakes, and suspension/chassis setup too.

Yes. Nice to have. It doesn't take any responsibility from the driver though.


Interesting question. For fun reasons I'd go with the Evo, for safety reasons with the Suprima/Preve (the structure is stronger, the airbags help too). Also the Proton, being new, should be more reliable/less problematic.

As for getting out of dangerous situations/handling... you may have picked a bad example, because Proton already handles relatively well, even without the electronic aids.

Are the brakes actually better? Plenty of modern family cars have stopping distances that would make Porsches from past decades green with envy.

Honest I have no idea which would be better at getting you out of bad situations, I suppose that also depends on the driver (normal drivers may be better with VSC, while more advanced drivers, perhaps with track experience, may be better in the Evo), on the situation, road condition, ... like on snow the AWD will help you more than VSC does. etc.

VII / VIII / IX is a beast to be driven. well depends on which type of vehicle u really want. if safety is your main concern, then sorry no Evo for u. not to say Evo is unsafe, but the urge of pushing the car to its limit is simply much more apparent in Evo than Suprima / Preve. if our own way of driving is dangerous and careless, we could lose our lives even in Volvo.

Why put the blame on the car when it is the driver that is committing the fault?

This post has been edited by andrekua2: Feb 11 2017, 03:13 PM

Haha. I like to shift gears. More fun. Sometimes auto would be nice, but getting auto means giving up fun. I can't use the stick anymore. But the lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control can be deactivated/overridden. Usually when driving with adaptive cruise control my foot is still on the pedal, so I can override it whenever I want. For example when it slows down even though I have the intention to overtake and just want to get closer to the car up front because someone else is overtaking me.

Ah finally those words come out, 'nice to have'! Now I agree with you!

Preve may handle well for normal cars but compared to an Evo, I'd say it's nowhere near!
Evo brakes is ABS equipped 4pot/2pot Brembos and bigger sizes too, plus it has bigger wider tires to give the better traction to stop, especially if you compare to std Preve tires which is usually crap level tires!

I have a suspicion that the Evo even without VSC in most situations may avoid accidents better than a Preve, especially in slippery surfaces. My point is yes car with VSC is good but cars without VSC doesn't mean they're totally unsafe. In the event of a crash, sure the Preve should be better but in order to avoid a crash in the first place, not so conclusive isn't it? Can be even the other way around. VSC is not GOD, and I've seen plenty of VSC equipped cars still got destroyed on their own, many still due to idiotic drivers. Not all VSC are the same either I think. So don't simply put down cars or owners of cars without VSC before thinking twice.

Well that's the driver problem, not the car's problem. The car itself yeah, a beast to drive, absolutely! The point I was trying to make with that question was stated in the above reply to bro Kadajawi.

Haha. I don't say it's a die die must have, but when you have the option to get it, because you're getting a new car anyway, and your budget includes options that have it, then do consider. Plus in combination with an automatic gearbox some adaptive cruise control systems also work in traffic jams. Let the car handle all that stop and go. (VW still requires you to push a button to get going again, so that you pay some attention).

The EVO is an exceptional car though. There are cars with VSC that still manage to topple over, but without it would be even worse. That's what VSC does. It makes things better, within limits. If the cars handling is crap and dangerous, it will make it less crap and less dangerous. It won't turn it into a Ferrari that's glued to the ground. But since every bit helps... Anyway, most people who buy non-VSC cars are not going for EVOs, they are going for some Myvi, or Vios, or even Camry. Those cars don't handle well. They should have VSC. When talking ordinary cars, VSC is useful. Even if you only trigger it once, that one time might make all the difference. Same thing with all the other assistants.

For the Golf, I rarely trigger the VSC. It once happened driving through what seems to have been a small puddle on the highway, at maybe 110 or 120, going straight. Not sure what would have happened without VSC. But otherwise I have to try to trigger it on snow or ice, never been able/daring enough to push the car so hard in normal conditions that it'd go to work. So I feel that limits despite only having 205/55 R16 on the car are pretty high. My previous car, on 195/55 R15 had significantly lower limits IMHO (still high enough IMHO, and it was more comfy). I'm suppose the EVO has even higher limits.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Feb 12 2017, 02:19 AM