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post Jul 25 2013, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(Martinis @ Jul 25 2013, 03:44 PM)
I wonder how effective side airbags are. I mean, in a frontal collision, the design can make the frontal portion absorb the impact and then the airbags "supplement" the absorption. But in a side impact, anything beyond mild impact is likely to penetrate deep into cabin. Are airbags useful in such cases?

Are there any studies indicating how effective are

1) safety belts
2) frontal airbags
3) side and/or curtain airbags

in minimising damage in terms of % of importance?
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The side and curtain airbags will come into play even in a frontal collision. This is because most frontal collision do not necessary collided at 90degree angle, so there will definitely be side forces. Furthermore, the diagonal seat belt restrain will also recoil the dummies and send them into all directions. You can see from the crash test videos on YouTube, the test dummy heads will lunge forward first, then bounced in random directions, hitting the B-pillar or window !

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post Jul 25 2013, 04:33 PM

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JPJ msia should create the law . every new car must be equip by atleast 2 air bag , abs etc safety feature . I guess msian wont mind pay extra few k to save thier family life .

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 25 2013, 04:27 PM)
You managed to book one? You Nissan manager manyak kuat  flex.gif
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Nissan all powderfool bro! Someone even booked and took delivery of their Inspira at Nissan showroom! (not me)
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post Jul 25 2013, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jul 25 2013, 04:28 PM)
The reason why the Espace won was because it is much more modern car. Again, this shows the difference between modern and old cars. I doubt the test says much more than that though. However pickups are usually designed as work horses. For employees, not for families. I wouldn't be surprised if there is less thought and money invested there to protect passengers than in a family car.

Btw.: Isn't it nice that whenever they try to show a car is safer than another car, they use a Renault? laugh.gif
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I kinda suspected that....

The rover looks ancient... no airbags... like something out of the 70s lol
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 25 2013, 04:33 PM)
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Nissan all powderfool bro! Someone even booked and took delivery of their Inspira at Nissan showroom! (not me)
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post Jul 25 2013, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(nagflar @ Jul 25 2013, 04:33 PM)
JPJ msia should create the law . every new car must be equip by atleast 2 air bag , abs etc safety feature . I guess msian wont mind pay extra few k to save thier family life .
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It is not necessary, because 99% if not all cars nowadays are fitted with the basic 2 airbags and ABS (not sure about pickups or vans). The JPJ should pass a new law requiring at least 4 airbags plus ESP.

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post Jul 25 2013, 04:43 PM

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stop ! lo & Behold, the world's safest car

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/next-gen...ideo-62662.html

http://cars.uk.msn.com/features/will-the-n...rlds-safest-car

http://www.foxcrawl.com/2013/01/18/video-v...sible-to-crash/

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post Jul 25 2013, 04:46 PM

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world record, no joke

http://www.worldrecordacademy.com/transpor...ord_113067.html
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post Jul 25 2013, 04:49 PM

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world record so what?

no RV keh

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QUOTE(nagflar @ Jul 25 2013, 04:33 PM)
JPJ msia should create the law . every new car must be equip by atleast 2 air bag , abs etc safety feature . I guess msian wont mind pay extra few k to save thier family life .
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There is. But it was put on hold because of cars manufacturer are not willing/or not ready.

But Proton EDAR urged the government to withdraw this exemption and enforce the rule. So, it shows that Proton cars are more comply than import cars for malaysian specs.

Some of the car listed in JPJ which been given exemption, but not comply with UN R94 and UN R95.

http://www.jpj.gov.my/c/document_library/g...5&groupId=10157

http://arminbaniaz.com/2013/02/peda-called...thdraw-all.html

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Jul 25 2013, 04:43 PM)
Awesome concepts.
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QUOTE(E34E36E46 @ Jul 25 2013, 04:43 PM)
It is not necessary, because 99% if not all cars nowadays are fitted with the basic 2 airbags and ABS (not sure about pickups or vans). The JPJ should pass a new law requiring at least 4 airbags plus ESP.
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like that how to have vios J?

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QUOTE(E34E36E46 @ Jul 25 2013, 04:32 PM)
The side and curtain airbags will come into play even in a frontal collision. This is because most frontal collision do not necessary collided at 90degree angle, so there will definitely be side forces. Furthermore, the diagonal seat belt restrain will also recoil the dummies and send it in all directions. You can see from the crash test videos on YouTube, the test dummy heads will lunge forward first, then bounced in random directions !
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Is it deployed though? In crash test videos it seems like only the frontal airbags are deployed... though sometimes they are. Weird.

Here's another video between a modern SUV and a modern C segment car. I have to apologize for the videos being in German... I couldn't find an English translation of them. The tests are usually conducted by the German version of the AAM.


Though the SUV was specially designed to be not to harsh on a smaller car. Both cars are driving at 50 km/h. The Golf did ok, but the interior was pushed in 23 cm.

The Kia Sorento wasn't as safe as the Volvo, which was actually good for the Golf cause the interior was only pushed in 8 cm.

Another one, this time worst case scenario:


Both cars are pretty safe, but one is a SUV, and the other one is A segment. Quite a difference...

@nagflar: There is no need for such a law (btw. 2 airbags are mandatory already). Proper education on safety and widely published comprehensive crash test results should do the trick. Some cars in Europe that are like the Kangoo were sold without ESP in the lowest spec. They did a moose test, showed them go turtle like the Myvi, that was shown on TV quite a few times, and quickly the manufacturers announced... oh yeah, ESP will be standard on all cars from now on. laugh.gif Same thing happened with the first A class... at that time ESP was only available in much bigger and more expensive cars. But due to the scandal... And even in Malaysia we have seen this: ASEAN NCAP tested the Saga with 1 airbag, it did awful. Proton quickly announced... soon all Sagas will have 2 airbags.

The media and customers are incredibly powerful, if they choose to make use of their power. The second round of ASEAN NCAP results should be published soon, on the 29th of August. They do intend to add side impacts sooner or later. I wouldn't be surprised if a year from now most cars will have at least 4 airbags (which of course means bad news for the RV of cars with only 2 airbags laugh.gif ).

Btw., the Citroen C6 had a pedestrian airbag long time ago. Volvo just copied them many years later... biggrin.gif (of course, a big limousine is something different from a C segment car).

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jul 25 2013, 04:49 PM)
There is. But it was put on hold because of cars manufacturer are not willing/or not ready.

But Proton EDAR urged the government to withdraw this exemption and enforce the rule.  So, it shows that Proton cars are more comply than import cars for malaysian specs.


Some of the car listed in JPJ which been given exemption, but not comply with UN R94 and UN R95.

http://www.jpj.gov.my/c/document_library/g...5&groupId=10157

http://arminbaniaz.com/2013/02/peda-called...thdraw-all.html
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Kinda ironic, since Proton is one of the few carmakers in the M'sia market that still sells single airbag cars (alongside Suzuki and Nissan)
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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 25 2013, 04:52 PM)
Kinda ironic, since Proton is one of the few carmakers in the M'sia market that still sells single airbag cars (alongside Suzuki and Nissan)
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Saga SV got 2 airbags, no?

In any case, I'd advise to look for a modern car. A 2008 car that was launched in 2007 will probably be safer than a 2013 car that was launched in 2002. Cars that were meant for Europeans are most likely to be safer too (cars meant for ASEAN countries are on the other side of the scale... so Avanza etc. are out). Safety features are of course a big plus. etc.

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post Jul 25 2013, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jul 25 2013, 04:55 PM)
Saga SV got 2 airbags, no?
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Not the Saga....the Persona.
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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 25 2013, 04:52 PM)
Kinda ironic, since Proton is one of the few carmakers in the M'sia market that still sells single airbag cars (alongside Suzuki and Nissan)
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jul 25 2013, 04:55 PM)
Saga SV got 2 airbags, no?
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SV 2 airbags but there is one variant of Saga (executive i think) with driver's airbag only.
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hahaha look! what i have found!
http://www.qt.com.au/news/used-car-safety-...r-safe/1955490/

INEXPERIENCED drivers opting for pint-sized used cars are putting themselves at risk of death or injury due to poor safety ratings.

Popular first cars like the Ford Festiva, Holden Barina, Nissan Micra and Toyota Echo which are more than 10 years old have the poorest protection if involved in an accident.

The information has been revealed by the RACQ as part of the Vehicle Safety Research Group's Used Car Safety Ratings (passenger vehicles built between 1996-2011), which uses real-world data from accidents in Australia and New Zealand.

Only one car within the "light" segment gets four out of a possible five stars - the Mazda2 made between 2007 and 2011.

But there is plenty of good news in larger segments.

Rapid safety standard improvements in the latest cars are having a flow-on effect in the used car scene.

"Regardless of your vehicle needs you can find a safe vehicle option," the RACQ's Steve Spalding said.

"But there is a significant difference in the risk of death or serious injury between the better and the worst performers. It's a nine-fold difference between the best and worst performer as of 1996.

"By any measure a nine-fold difference is a major risk difference."

Australia's fastest growing segments, small cars and SUVs, offer a strong line-up of safe transport.

Vehicles such as the Holden Cruze (2009-11), Mazda3 (2009-11), VW Golf (1999-2011), Mitsubishi Outlander (2007-11), Holden Captiva (2006-11), Honda CR-V (2007-11) and the Ford Territory (2004-11) all have the maximum safety rating.

But Mr Spalding said the ratings highlighted major concern for new drivers hitting the road.

"Crash risk for young divers is high because of their lack of experience and also the vehicles they tend to choose," he said.

"Parents can make a difference. They can help guide the younger drivers towards a safer choice.

"Check the ratings, pick the safest car you can afford that meets your needs - ideally pick a 'safe pick' one cause they are also rates as being less harmful to other road users."

The best safety features to look for when buying a car:

Stability control - automatically applies the brakes to individual wheels to help steer the vehicle where the driver intends to go if a loss of traction is detected.
Anti-lock brakes - stops the wheels from locking up and skidding, maintaining traction when you need it most. When used can be felt by a pulsing through the pedal.
Traction control - works with anti-lock brakes to maintain grip and improve driver control under duress.
Brake assist - increases braking pressure in an emergency.
Russell White of driversafety.com.au said if possible the minimum should be anti-lock brakes and stability control to help minimise the accident risk.

But he said one of the greatest features is within the driver, and being prepared for the unexpected.

"If you are going to buy a car look at some additional driver training skills," he said.

"It's like having a lifeboat…hopefully you never need to use them."

New cars are rated via ANCAP in simulated crashes, but the Used Car Safety Ratings data incorporates records from more than 6 million vehicles in police-reported road crashes between 1987 and 2011.

See the full list here.

See more information on the Used Car Safety Ratings.

Visit the RACQ for more information.

KEY FINDINGS

37 out of the 51 very poor performing cars were small or light cars and 18 out of 25 light cars scored very poor.
Many of the very poor performing vehicles are often driven by novice drivers. Novice female drivers have high exposure to very poor performing small cars.
The average risk of death or serious injury to the driver in a crash in a 2011 car is over 30% less than in a 1996 car (and over 70% less compared to pre 1970 vehicles).
It is however not the case that all new vehicles are safer - there are still exceptions such as the 2004-2011 Proton Gen 2, 2002-20011 Hyundai Getz.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jul 25 2013, 04:57 PM)
SV 2 airbags but there is one variant of Saga (executive i think) with driver's airbag only.
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Nah....all Saga variants comes with 2 airbags now.

Only left the Persona that only have driver airbag.
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Proton GSC will follow strict latest Euro NCAP requirement. brows.gif

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