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 How do I get a turbo system installation, On my KIA Forte?

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Vervain
post Jul 23 2013, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(unitron @ Jul 22 2013, 09:33 PM)
Dunno... I heard much much more was spent on that car...  One trailer full of Myvi is more like it..
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Spending is not a problem, how much premium parts did the owner killed. LOL

QUOTE(Alan @ Jul 22 2013, 09:45 PM)
From my limited knowledge, that bot is more likely to have higher fuel consumption under constant speed cruising, and it is different then using smaller turbo engine for the same car (e.g. 2.0 na vs 1.6 turbo trim). The old turbo system is generally running at richer fuel so that engine is not overly heated at high boost high rev, I'm not sure on the latest tech in map/tune the fuel mixture. And i think ultimately the sifu will tune the engine to customer's need, like high end power or better torque or...
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The function of turbo does not control your tuning. During cruise, your NA engine does not rely entirely on atmospheric pressure to suck in air. it's assisted from the turbo's recycled exhaust energy. FC increases when there's alot of air pushed in and the management needs to keep the AFR at a safe threshold. Well put it simple, when you push for power, your FC drops but your car goes faster. People always misunderstood thinking that you can get more HP while maintaining low FC. Good FC comes when you're light on your foot.

QUOTE(mxsteven @ Jul 23 2013, 12:41 AM)
Tonka or Tong sampah also the same... everything is depend on tuning and matching! What is Turbo and what does it do and why supercharger... well there is a long way to learn however it is interesting which is better than reading bible.

What i would say is efficiency! if you say NA runs more efficient than a Turbo charged engine well tomorrow i will be at the Church.
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QUOTE(mxsteven @ Jul 23 2013, 01:02 AM)
Yup with Vios u can get

1. Si hams
2. Lala
3. Ohhh Chen

Sometimes with bonus might get LP
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post Jul 23 2013, 09:42 AM

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Lols Hybrid lain cerita lah....... but highway also die for certain hybrid unless smart dual hybrid only works well....
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post Jul 23 2013, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(mxsteven @ Jul 23 2013, 09:42 AM)
Lols Hybrid lain cerita lah....... but highway also die for certain hybrid unless smart dual hybrid only works well....
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post Jul 23 2013, 10:05 AM

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post Jul 23 2013, 10:27 AM

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Actually after TS asked in the first post, he never made any more comments.

You guys are wasting your time in giving advice, so am I.
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post Jul 23 2013, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(amdxp @ Jul 23 2013, 10:27 AM)
Actually after TS asked in the first post, he never made any more comments.

You guys are wasting your time in giving advice, so am I.
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TS asked you guys to fill in the blank but all provide essays. How to digest? laugh.gif

Now is the battle of twinscroll/VGT snail & old-school snail.



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post Jul 23 2013, 11:33 AM

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lols others members here just enjoying bashing and trolling around helplessly hahahahaha
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post Jul 23 2013, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(mxsteven @ Jul 23 2013, 11:33 AM)
lols others members here just enjoying bashing and trolling around helplessly hahahahaha
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yup, eating metaphorical pop-corn while reading the thread biggrin.gif
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post Jul 23 2013, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(squalluz @ Jul 23 2013, 11:35 AM)
yup, eating metaphorical pop-corn while reading the thread  biggrin.gif
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post Jul 23 2013, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(mxsteven @ Jul 23 2013, 11:33 AM)
lols others members here just enjoying bashing and trolling around helplessly hahahahaha
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No choice.. kenot help it ..
tried to logic and reason with him .. but end up all sorts of nonsense came ..

If logic and reason dun work .. troll him better.. lolz

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post Jul 23 2013, 01:23 PM

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Emm... just hope that if someone, who is not very clear on something, please don't post statements like one knows everything.
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post Jul 23 2013, 01:29 PM

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Actually it would be a healthy topic but those half tong air ppl masuk hancur edi.....

BTW the xenon BOT forte is really slow freaking slow even my 1.3 satria BOT can makan him kaw kaw.... from the video i can predict, this car might be using piggyback and oversized turbo.
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post Jul 23 2013, 01:38 PM

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1. Regarding blowing your intake manifold. If your intake manifold can take one bar of vacuum, why cant it take one bar of boost?

2. Looks like a copy and paste. Turbos spooling at 1400rpm, exactly 1400... it's a copy/paste for sure.

3. Exhaust gas is heat, wasted energy. recycle energy via turbocharging, more power.

4. On cruise, turbo atomizes air thats going into the intake.

5. If you can retrofit a VGT without any hassles, goodluck.

6. God created turbolag, we created VGT, EFR, Twin Scroll, Plumb back BOV, ceramic wheels, ceramic bearings, ball bearings, billet wheels, ti-gamma wheels.

7. It all boils down to your personal preference, wether you want top end power or low end torque.

8. I did not read much of NS replies nor your rants.

9. Sizewise on pipes, what do YOU know? Can you tell me both results of having both a big and small intercooler pipe? Can you TEACH me on how and when to use a big or small intercooler? And what about exhaust sizing?

10. Can you read a compressor map? These are to aid tuners and hardware installers in picking and matching turbo to engines. I've seen starlets with kkk turbines boosting at 1.5bar, making less power than it did at 1.2bar.













And of course, I've snapped my turbo shaft before in the learning process.

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HAHAHAHAHAHA God created turbolag lolsssssss tak boley tahan lols
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post Jul 23 2013, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(ronzai89 @ Jul 23 2013, 10:05 AM)
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post Jul 23 2013, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Jul 23 2013, 05:19 AM)
Honestly I'm pretty lazy to reply this as this clearly shows your lack in technical knowledge. But since it is already 5am in the wee hours and I need to waste some energy in order for me to sleep, here's my post.

What you need to know about pressure and density? Ideal Gas Law? Boyle's Law? Charle's Law? Seriously? And talking about intake, you say straight air intake won't draw in as much air as a 'bent' air intake? Those 4age's 1600cc are pushing more than 200hp with that setup and you're telling me it's not drawing enough air? Let's go to Jet engines then, direct ram air intake. Anything to say about that? It's still basically a 4 'process' engine as it still requires intake, compression, combustion and exhaust, just that it does it all at once. Air is sucked in direct from the atmosphere and it makes use of the ram effect at high speeds and altitudes.

You're saying the efficiency of a 2.0 NA will always be better than a Turbocharged 1.6L with the same power as a 2.0NA. Seems like you're missing the knowledge about volumetric efficiency here. Turbocharged cars will always be more efficient than NA engines as the turbocharger is harnessing energy from the exhaust which on an NA engine will be wasted, then using that energy and compressing air, forcing air into the cylinders, increasing it's volumetric efficiency. About FC, as long as you drive in vacuum during normal town drive your FC will remain the same or even better than when NA, and will definitely be better than one with a higher cubic capacity.

Reason we're comparing with a Vios is because the Vios is basically in the same category as a Forte, a basic everyday-drive point A-B car. If a Vios can be turbocharged, why not a Forte?

Yes I do know the function of a twin scroll and VGT, I'm just afraid that you don't. Seriously you're making a fool out of yourself saying 'wastegate-type' turbochargers are old school tech. ALL turbochargers used in petrol engines needs a wastegate else the boost level will just climb as the RPM increase until the engine kills itself from overboosting.

The way you're describing 'turbo lag' is as if you're describing a supercharger. Activates and deactivates? Bro, a turbocharger spins even when the engine is idling. When a turbocharger starts producing usable boost is a whole different thing, it doesn't 'activates' and 'deactivates'. Newer technologies can start producing usable boost at an earlier RPM than older turbo's with older technologies and hold that boost throughout a longer RPM range than an old-school turbo, but the way you describe it is totally wrong. What vents for low pressure and high pressure? All VGT does is changes the A/R ratio and exhaust flow in order to compensate for low-rpm and high-rpm driving thus creating boost at a lower RPM and then changing the nozzle angle to accomodate higher RPM operations. Some VGT Turbo's in Diesel applications do not require a wastegate as they don't rev that high anyways and does not produce that much gas flow but most petrol engines do. Volvo's VGT turbo's does have a wastegate built-in and a twin-scroll turbo definitely have a wastegate built in. They're taking technologies that had been long used in the aviation industry in jet engines and finally putting it to use in the automotive world.

For those who don't know what's VGT, HERE'S a simple description on what VGT is. For twin scroll, it divides the cylinder exhaust gas, thus seperating exhaust gas pulsations and improves the scavenging effect in a 4-stroke multi-cylinder engine. And yes there are also split to a small and large turbine for lower and higher engine rpm efficiency.

About your last paragraph, so basically a bolted-on turbo engine will die because it would choke the engine, eventhough with a turbo you're basically forcing air in? What a joke. I do agree that the wear and tear in a turbo engine would be slightly higher than an NA engine but with proper maintenance, both NA and turbo engines will last pretty damn long. What cleaning in specific are you talking about? Throttle body cleaning? top overhaul? Engine bay cleaning(LOL)?

Before you comment any further, do share what car are you driving and what car had you driven? Plus what had you modded on your car(or any cars) in that aspect? I see you have an atrocious reputation in AutoWorld forum i see rolleyes.gif

Anyways, good night.
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exactly what i had in mind. lol. to add on, VGT and twin scrolls turbos do not eliminate turbo lag, they only minimise it. there is still turbo lag no matter what. and when jayraptor said turbo "activates" after 1400rpm in his pug508 example, that's turbo lag before 1400rpm. and jayraptor, do u know this puny VGT turbos has it downside too? they tend to lose their breath earlier when approaching redline? laugh.gif
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Turbo, VGT, EFR..... bla bla bla... just learn how to see the island map... simple as that.

VGT not so suitable for gasoline engine because high temp! VGT normally survive below 500c. Diesel is cooler because the exhaust emitted gas temperature mostly are residual unlike gasoline engine which the temperature will climb up to 700c
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QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ Jul 23 2013, 01:38 PM)
6. God created turbolag, we created VGT, EFR, Twin Scroll, Plumb back BOV, ceramic wheels, ceramic bearings, ball bearings, billet wheels, ti-gamma wheels.
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 22 2013, 11:35 PM)
Do you know what are the function of VGT & Twinscroll Turbochargers in the first place? Ever since these 2 types are introduced, those normal turbo we all know are now labelled as lower level wastegate turbocharger to differentiate clearly from the 2 new toys. What do you know about turbolag?

Pug508 1.6T
output 156ps@6000rpm
torque 240Nm@1400rpm

The turbo activates from 1400rpm onwards. If you think below 1400rpm without turbo assist is lag, that is wrong. Turbolag happens when the turbocharger activated and while operating at 3200rpm and there's sudden deceleration, the pressure from exhaust become low and to allow the turbocharger to continue spinning optimum, the VGT would retract the blades for low pressure mode continue to draw in air.  Twinscroll type in BMW has 2 vents, 1 for low pressure and that allows the turbine to keep spinning under similar situation. The older normal wastegate type can't do this.
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How do you arrive to the conclusion that turbo start spoolling at 1.4k rpm & instantly generate peak torque?

I langsung cannot brain your definition of turbo lag.
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