Seriously I'm speechless with all the negativity that surrounds when someone posts asking about bolting on turbo onto their car. Is it that bad? Maybe TS is serious about it and he just needs a point to start. Everybody have to start from somewhere.
1. many shops can do, depends on who you know
2. custom setup where got name bro, you think like japanese car can buy bolt on Greddy kit ka? That one also will cost you 5 figures
3. It's called a turbo KIT for a reason, there's definitely many things that needs to be installed.

1. Not really as long as done right the first time. Maybe just change the oil more often(instead of 7k, change at 5k)
2. depends on your foot. how much fuel you use depends on how much power you use from the engine. if you kaki binary keep boosting then your FC definitely will go down but if you just drive normal, your FC should remain the same or even better than stock.
3. 5k onwards to 5 figures depending on setup.
your concept about cars and how turbocharger system works is totally wrong. Technical experts you can refer to others who had already done it(as can be seen, there ARE turbo'd Forte's running around already), research online what others did overseas, research around BOT users from other cars as well.

- As mentioned previously, FC depends totally on your foot. You take a Golf GTi 2.0 and whack all out touge in genting and watch your fuel burnnnnn
- Usually overheating is not much of a problem, the problem about boosting high boost is whether your engine internals can take it or not. Pistons, conrods, crankshafts etc which is why you see people swapping out their pistons/conrods/crankshafts/gaskets with something stronger if they really go serious into their turbo setup. Intake manifold crack? HAHAHAHAHAHHA!! Exhaust manifold crack ada lah which is either due to shoddy welding during the fabrication of the manifold or your exhaust temps(tuning) is way too high which your pistons will melt first before your manifold will start cracking. And usually people engine blow is due to the head gasket giving way, pistons cracking, conrods or crankshaft snapping, but definitely not manifolds cracking.
- Air intake pipe cannot be straight? You gotta be kidding me. Explain why people go for ITB(Individual Throttle Bodies) then. It's basically sucking air direct from the atmosphere, no bends and whatnot. heres a video with ITB and standoff injectors.

- A properly done up car can actually get a higher RV than a normal car as long as it's properly done up. If you want you can even remove the kit and demod the car and the car will be as good as stock, plus you can earn back a few grand from selling your turbo kit.
- you know alot of technical jargons like wastegate, twin scroll and VGT but seems like you have zero clue on what those are or even means. All petrol cars running turbos requires a wastegate, be it internal or external. VGT, twin scroll are technologies which improves turbo response and performance. Since all turbo's have wastegates, do explain the relationship between wastegate and turbo lag then and also i'm curious about carbon buildup if i release throttle at the 2000rpm spectrum.

I agree that newer cars comes with new technologies that reduces turbo lag and improves performance but things that comes out from the factory isn't exactly the best. They're designed so that they can be massed produced cheaply and effectively while still able to do it's basic job, albeit not the best. Many forced induction cars(4g93T GSR engine and Preve S4PH-T are good examples) have rubber hoses as their intercooler piping which expands under boost and this expansions robs about 500rpm before full boost comes in which is why many people replace it with stainless steel versions and Samco elbow bends which won't expand under boost. Stock exhaust manifolds are also cast iron. Swapping it out with a custom-made tuned-length 'banana' manifold will increase performance as it enhances exhaust gas flow to the turbo providing faster spool-up. Long story short, not all things that comes out from the factory, designed by 'engineers' are good, there's always space for improvement.
Agree with this statement, i suggest TS to study on how turbo system works first and all the parts needed, at least it will save you face by preventing you asking stupid questions to veterans who knows their shit.
the Forte in the video is an auto and the auto GB robs alot of HP from the car. A Polo TSi may win it, but hey, it's still faster than most NA cars on the road and can easily tapao a Vios.

My 2c to TS is to do your own research and what you do is totally up to you as it's your car anyway. But before you do anyhting, make sure you have enough knowledge on hand and don't regret whatever you have done(unless you've done something really really stupid) As you can see, many of the people here in this forum are just keyboard warriors who knows jackshit about the technical aspects on cars. Long gone is the time where this forum used to discuss technical stuff like cams and engine design, now it's just a place where people compare cars and ask what car to buy with a certain budget.

long post, bye bye

edit: btw, please do NOT get your kit from Xenon. just google up their name and you'll know what i mean.

JayRaptor knows SHIATss about BoT
(wat an IDIOT)

STFU jayCraptor

Where is my 50kg metal bar?

I doubt that. BOT kia forte and tapao NA vios? Wanna try with BOT vios? Please go youtube see teebo vios before you sure that u can tapao vios tebooo. Secondly please la u, we suggest him to change car is a better option since he want turbo. Even a wira turbo is much faster than this kia forte on video.

fella still haven't wake up yet kot
i sense sarcasm 
How fast a BOT'd car is depends heavily on turbo setup and boost level. I bet the vide you're talking about is this video



If you are talking about this particular car, the amount of money spent for this setup can buy you a brand new Myvi edi, cash. Full boost comes in at 5000rpm which means the turbo must be the size of your head already and highly un-drivable.

Even a simple BOT kit with a small RHF4 turbo at 0.5bar boost can increase the power by at LEAST 50+hp and that's easily faster than most NA cars on the road already. Which Wira turbo you're talking about? 4g93t gsr engine? 4g91 BOT? 4g92 BOT? 4G15 BOT? Or 4g13 BOT?

If you're saying it can't be done because the engine is weak, that is also bullcrap. Have a look at the Campro engine, famous for it's snapped crankshaft during the few first batches and also it's weak aluminium block and weaker than usual conrods and pistons. still not stopping hundreds of people from bolting on turbo's onto their ride and one even manage to squeeze 380hp out of it, though the money HE spent is also way into the 5 figure range...
tulan edi people coming in being a wannabe expert in the field.
looks like many of the posts got nuked already. Last time Xenon got their own forum and many people complained in their own forum where they cheated them money and stuff but it got deleted. Ask around s4ph-t group in FB and you can hear a few stories and also here in LYN as well some people kena from them already. It's not the problem with their kits, but with the salesman.
out of the 15k, the most expensive ones would be the management, tonnka manifold and a brand new good turbocharger.

I'm curious on how much more horses Haltech SP500 can produce compare to Emanage?

By the way, with such moolah, getting a halfcut is even better 

Honestly I'm pretty lazy to reply this as this clearly shows your lack in technical knowledge. But since it is already 5am in the wee hours and I need to waste some energy in order for me to sleep, here's my post.

What you need to know about pressure and density? Ideal Gas Law? Boyle's Law? Charle's Law? Seriously? And talking about intake, you say straight air intake won't draw in as much air as a 'bent' air intake? Those 4age's 1600cc are pushing more than 200hp with that setup and you're telling me it's not drawing enough air? Let's go to Jet engines then, direct ram air intake. Anything to say about that? It's still basically a 4 'process' engine as it still requires intake, compression, combustion and exhaust, just that it does it all at once. Air is sucked in direct from the atmosphere and it makes use of the ram effect at high speeds and altitudes.

You're saying the efficiency of a 2.0 NA will always be better than a Turbocharged 1.6L with the same power as a 2.0NA. Seems like you're missing the knowledge about volumetric efficiency here. Turbocharged cars will always be more efficient than NA engines as the turbocharger is harnessing energy from the exhaust which on an NA engine will be wasted, then using that energy and compressing air, forcing air into the cylinders, increasing it's volumetric efficiency. About FC, as long as you drive in vacuum during normal town drive your FC will remain the same or even better than when NA, and will definitely be better than one with a higher cubic capacity.

Reason we're comparing with a Vios is because the Vios is basically in the same category as a Forte, a basic everyday-drive point A-B car. If a Vios can be turbocharged, why not a Forte?

Yes I do know the function of a twin scroll and VGT, I'm just afraid that you don't. Seriously you're making a fool out of yourself saying 'wastegate-type' turbochargers are old school tech. ALL turbochargers used in petrol engines needs a wastegate else the boost level will just climb as the RPM increase until the engine kills itself from overboosting.

The way you're describing 'turbo lag' is as if you're describing a supercharger. Activates and deactivates? Bro, a turbocharger spins even when the engine is idling. When a turbocharger starts producing usable boost is a whole different thing, it doesn't 'activates' and 'deactivates'. Newer technologies can start producing usable boost at an earlier RPM than older turbo's with older technologies and hold that boost throughout a longer RPM range than an old-school turbo, but the way you describe it is totally wrong. What vents for low pressure and high pressure? All VGT does is changes the A/R ratio and exhaust flow in order to compensate for low-rpm and high-rpm driving thus creating boost at a lower RPM and then changing the nozzle angle to accomodate higher RPM operations. Some VGT Turbo's in Diesel applications do not require a wastegate as they don't rev that high anyways and does not produce that much gas flow but most petrol engines do. Volvo's VGT turbo's does have a wastegate built-in and a twin-scroll turbo definitely have a wastegate built in. They're taking technologies that had been long used in the aviation industry in jet engines and finally putting it to use in the automotive world.

For those who don't know what's VGT, HERE'S a simple description on what VGT is. For twin scroll, it divides the cylinder exhaust gas, thus seperating exhaust gas pulsations and improves the scavenging effect in a 4-stroke multi-cylinder engine. And yes there are also split to a small and large turbine for lower and higher engine rpm efficiency.

About your last paragraph, so basically a bolted-on turbo engine will die because it would choke the engine, eventhough with a turbo you're basically forcing air in? What a joke. I do agree that the wear and tear in a turbo engine would be slightly higher than an NA engine but with proper maintenance, both NA and turbo engines will last pretty damn long. What cleaning in specific are you talking about? Throttle body cleaning? top overhaul? Engine bay cleaning(LOL)?

Before you comment any further, do share what car are you driving and what car had you driven? Plus what had you modded on your car(or any cars) in that aspect? I see you have an atrocious reputation in AutoWorld forum i see

Anyways, good night.

Lols Hybrid lain cerita lah....... but highway also die for certain hybrid unless smart dual hybrid only works well....

lols others members here just enjoying bashing and trolling around helplessly hahahahaha

lol. you and your "pressure" theory. my god. i dont know anything? its funny for you to ask a person with degree holder major in engineering that question. and since when i influence anyone to install bolt-on turbo in their ride in this thread? do not put words into my mouth you idiot. stop acting like you are some pro with your theory jargons based on engineers in those automotive companies. i have workshop owners and friends that are graduates in automotive engineering, ex-professional mechanics in various carmaker companies and trained professionals in car modding and tuning from overseas. stop acting smart but making a fool out of you here. 

Jason @ sleepwalker, if you reading this bro, pls look thru all his posts. deserve a holiday.

again i repeat, do not put words into my mouth moron! i never trap or influence anyone to mod or tune up their cars without worries!

yea, they have degree, no confidence in their workmanship? dont send your brand new rides to their official service centres then. their workmanship sux too. send your bloody rides oversea back to their HQ in their country to service lar. confirm good workmanship.

oh really? according to what i found in AW, seems like you drive a Forte and is a Forte fanboy

My engine is a stock waja bolt on turbo, FC is nearly identical provided i maintain the same driving style, wiring up a piggyback is so easy even I can do it, it's just tapping 5 wires and splicing 2 wires from the ECU. If you can mess that up, you're worse than a secondary student since in Form 3 we learn Kemahiran Hidup. Usually people who mess up wirings are those who do non-plug and play engine swaps requiring severe rewiring which is when people start to screw up. But saying screwing up the wiring for a bolt-on turbo car is unheard of, even for a standalone installation. Resale value would be no different as the turbo kit can be removed and sold seperately and the car will be as good as stock standard.

If you say Ah Beng with trial and error background can't make good shit, have a look at Titan Suspensions. Home-grown here in Malaysia and that person used to play RC cars. From experimenting with RC cars, he finally experimented with real car suspensions and now his custom suspension solutions are widely used in motorsports and also beats most off-the-shelf suspension in the market.

My car is turbocharged and fast, but I don't have any large or noise polluting exhaust. All I have is tiny twin tips to troll people like you on the road. Talk so much, but you still haven't mentioned anything about your qualifications, background experience and history of cars which you've personally owned

hahaha, he only sworn by stock parts lar. stock parts are almighty lah. 

haha, kinda expected. play by the rules eh?

No. Ignore craps and attention seeker will go away. Reply with craps would just be taking the bait. Just get the topic owner to report that their topic is being disturbed and I will remove the replies. Next reply would earn a warning and the next will get a holiday from the forum. If there is no response from the topic owner, I will close the topic since it no longer holds the attention of the owner. That is playing by the rules.

If that photo in your avatar is you, I can say your muscle is crappy. You are just too skinny and too small. I won't post that humiliating photo if I were you.

Fact is I am not sellman, nothing to sell. You want to sell something? Go Mudah.com and not LYF and pick fight with genuine forumners. You do crappy building, careful, might get you stroke or heart attack for training wrongly. Advise from oldman.

at the end of the day, just drive what you have for now. slowly venture into NA modding path to know more about how your car actually works. you want turbo power? advisable to get a turbo car to start with. unless you have the money, time and passion with commitment to BOT your forte and visit your workshop frequently for the first one two months at least to troubleshoot possible minor problems from the BOT and tuning and other parts that indirectly work with your BOT forte. if yes, by all means go ahead with your BOT project. you may call up ppl like Nightstalker1993 to meet up and intro you some trusted workshop to discuss and have a rough idea on your BOT project before proceed. do some homework your own and with some proper ppl to know where you should be heading. 

Ok guys and TS pls control the thread and dont feed the fuel to this Dinosaur.....  anyway i found something in wiki

i cannot brain him....
i'm currently in aerostucture manufacturing industry and i believe i can get the so called limited tools   
materials play a part but "Dimension" is more important

FYI, im also in manufacturing RnD design engineer.... there is lotsa things that I could have design better if my factory allow just a little more budget... it is simple as that... everything had a budget in OEM manufacturing designs except aftermarket parts....however after market parts also had been infected with a lot of scam products such as surbo, magnet fuel saver, e-power and etc etc therefore if you opt to mod aftermarket products i would suggest to learn from the pro or experience people..

last time there used to be a healthy debate such as turbocharger vs supercharger....... i would love Jay to comment on this topic since my Astro suda kena cut off so i would need some entertainment...

i m not gd at monitoring but i try my best. i go for the popularity vote as i would like modders here to get the best advice out of the sifus. btw love the healthy banter guys. as long as healthy debate more we can learn to better our cars in future.