JayRaptor knows SHIATss about BoT
(wat an IDIOT)

STFU jayCraptor

Where is my 50kg metal bar?

I doubt that. BOT kia forte and tapao NA vios? Wanna try with BOT vios? Please go youtube see teebo vios before you sure that u can tapao vios tebooo. Secondly please la u, we suggest him to change car is a better option since he want turbo. Even a wira turbo is much faster than this kia forte on video.

We know viostrd turbo can tarbao Nissan GTR. Dont need to remind us

yah lo, sumore said vios 0-60mph can run under how many sec ar? 5 or 2 sec ar? 

Seriously I'm speechless with all the negativity that surrounds when someone posts asking about bolting on turbo onto their car. Is it that bad? Maybe TS is serious about it and he just needs a point to start. Everybody have to start from somewhere.
1. many shops can do, depends on who you know
2. custom setup where got name bro, you think like japanese car can buy bolt on Greddy kit ka? That one also will cost you 5 figures
3. It's called a turbo KIT for a reason, there's definitely many things that needs to be installed.

1. Not really as long as done right the first time. Maybe just change the oil more often(instead of 7k, change at 5k)
2. depends on your foot. how much fuel you use depends on how much power you use from the engine. if you kaki binary keep boosting then your FC definitely will go down but if you just drive normal, your FC should remain the same or even better than stock.
3. 5k onwards to 5 figures depending on setup.
your concept about cars and how turbocharger system works is totally wrong. Technical experts you can refer to others who had already done it(as can be seen, there ARE turbo'd Forte's running around already), research online what others did overseas, research around BOT users from other cars as well.

- As mentioned previously, FC depends totally on your foot. You take a Golf GTi 2.0 and whack all out touge in genting and watch your fuel burnnnnn
- Usually overheating is not much of a problem, the problem about boosting high boost is whether your engine internals can take it or not. Pistons, conrods, crankshafts etc which is why you see people swapping out their pistons/conrods/crankshafts/gaskets with something stronger if they really go serious into their turbo setup. Intake manifold crack? HAHAHAHAHAHHA!! Exhaust manifold crack ada lah which is either due to shoddy welding during the fabrication of the manifold or your exhaust temps(tuning) is way too high which your pistons will melt first before your manifold will start cracking. And usually people engine blow is due to the head gasket giving way, pistons cracking, conrods or crankshaft snapping, but definitely not manifolds cracking.
- Air intake pipe cannot be straight? You gotta be kidding me. Explain why people go for ITB(Individual Throttle Bodies) then. It's basically sucking air direct from the atmosphere, no bends and whatnot. heres a video with ITB and standoff injectors.

- A properly done up car can actually get a higher RV than a normal car as long as it's properly done up. If you want you can even remove the kit and demod the car and the car will be as good as stock, plus you can earn back a few grand from selling your turbo kit.
- you know alot of technical jargons like wastegate, twin scroll and VGT but seems like you have zero clue on what those are or even means. All petrol cars running turbos requires a wastegate, be it internal or external. VGT, twin scroll are technologies which improves turbo response and performance. Since all turbo's have wastegates, do explain the relationship between wastegate and turbo lag then and also i'm curious about carbon buildup if i release throttle at the 2000rpm spectrum.

I agree that newer cars comes with new technologies that reduces turbo lag and improves performance but things that comes out from the factory isn't exactly the best. They're designed so that they can be massed produced cheaply and effectively while still able to do it's basic job, albeit not the best. Many forced induction cars(4g93T GSR engine and Preve S4PH-T are good examples) have rubber hoses as their intercooler piping which expands under boost and this expansions robs about 500rpm before full boost comes in which is why many people replace it with stainless steel versions and Samco elbow bends which won't expand under boost. Stock exhaust manifolds are also cast iron. Swapping it out with a custom-made tuned-length 'banana' manifold will increase performance as it enhances exhaust gas flow to the turbo providing faster spool-up. Long story short, not all things that comes out from the factory, designed by 'engineers' are good, there's always space for improvement.
Agree with this statement, i suggest TS to study on how turbo system works first and all the parts needed, at least it will save you face by preventing you asking stupid questions to veterans who knows their shit.
the Forte in the video is an auto and the auto GB robs alot of HP from the car. A Polo TSi may win it, but hey, it's still faster than most NA cars on the road and can easily tapao a Vios.

My 2c to TS is to do your own research and what you do is totally up to you as it's your car anyway. But before you do anyhting, make sure you have enough knowledge on hand and don't regret whatever you have done(unless you've done something really really stupid) As you can see, many of the people here in this forum are just keyboard warriors who knows jackshit about the technical aspects on cars. Long gone is the time where this forum used to discuss technical stuff like cams and engine design, now it's just a place where people compare cars and ask what car to buy with a certain budget.

long post, bye bye

edit: btw, please do NOT get your kit from Xenon. just google up their name and you'll know what i mean.

edit: btw, please do NOT get your kit from Xenon. just google up their name and you'll know what i mean.

if yes to all above...welcome to the fun/frustrating world of modding

lets see how jayraptor reply you

Please la.. Waht do u know about turbo?
Jayraptor got fren working in automotive industrial. He knows more than u think... And all those jargon wastegate apa apa gate those info u guys have is all wrong.. Lets hear professional advice

I doubt that. BOT kia forte and tapao NA vios? Wanna try with BOT vios? Please go youtube see teebo vios before you sure that u can tapao vios tebooo. Secondly please la u, we suggest him to change car is a better option since he want turbo. Even a wira turbo is much faster than this kia forte on video.

ahhh, you beat me to it. i was about to reply that jayraptor till i read ur post. good reply.

What's up with Xenon? I googled 'xenon motorsport' and found nothing negative, at least for the first few pages.. didn't bother to look further..

I think just prepare 15k for proper turbo setup

-management(Haltech SP500)
-intercooler piping 
-wastegate
-tonnka turbo manifold
-BOV
-good turbo
-bigger injector
-walbro fuel pump
-engine oil cooler
-Boost meter, engine oil pressure meter, engine oil temp meter, water temp meter.
-atf oil cooler
-double layer radiator
-get better brake.

this setup is kinda safe for 0.5 bar boost.

if u want higher BOT, u need to start to work on your internal.

fella still haven't wake up yet kot
i sense sarcasm 
How fast a BOT'd car is depends heavily on turbo setup and boost level. I bet the vide you're talking about is this video



If you are talking about this particular car, the amount of money spent for this setup can buy you a brand new Myvi edi, cash. Full boost comes in at 5000rpm which means the turbo must be the size of your head already and highly un-drivable.

Even a simple BOT kit with a small RHF4 turbo at 0.5bar boost can increase the power by at LEAST 50+hp and that's easily faster than most NA cars on the road already. Which Wira turbo you're talking about? 4g93t gsr engine? 4g91 BOT? 4g92 BOT? 4G15 BOT? Or 4g13 BOT?

If you're saying it can't be done because the engine is weak, that is also bullcrap. Have a look at the Campro engine, famous for it's snapped crankshaft during the few first batches and also it's weak aluminium block and weaker than usual conrods and pistons. still not stopping hundreds of people from bolting on turbo's onto their ride and one even manage to squeeze 380hp out of it, though the money HE spent is also way into the 5 figure range...
tulan edi people coming in being a wannabe expert in the field.
looks like many of the posts got nuked already. Last time Xenon got their own forum and many people complained in their own forum where they cheated them money and stuff but it got deleted. Ask around s4ph-t group in FB and you can hear a few stories and also here in LYN as well some people kena from them already. It's not the problem with their kits, but with the salesman.
out of the 15k, the most expensive ones would be the management, tonnka manifold and a brand new good turbocharger.

If you are talking about this particular car, the amount of money spent for this setup can buy you a brand new Myvi edi, cash. Full boost comes in at 5000rpm which means the turbo must be the size of your head already and highly un-drivable.

Agree with this statement, i suggest TS to study on how turbo system works first and all the parts needed, at least it will save you face by preventing you asking stupid questions to veterans who knows their shit.

Long gone is the time where this forum used to discuss technical stuff like cams and engine design, now it's just a place where people compare cars and ask what car to buy with a certain budget.

fella still haven't wake up yet kot
i sense sarcasm 
How fast a BOT'd car is depends heavily on turbo setup and boost level. I bet the vide you're talking about is this video




out of the 15k, the most expensive ones would be the management, tonnka manifold and a brand new good turbocharger.

Dunno... I heard much much more was spent on that car...  One trailer full of Myvi is more like it..

you know, while i agree that one should do self study/research themselves instead of being lazy and just get spoonfed, i also think it is damn sad case when you have to "save face" on asking a question regardless how innocent/stupid they may be.

while the general direction of F&F has swayed away from the technicality discussion (especially when technical talk sub-forum was still around, i REALLY ENJOYED that forum a lot and never bothered with F&F main forum much because it's just spams of car clubs) however won't you agree that at least know F&F is much more appealing to the masses instead of just elitist (keyboard warriors or genuine know-hows alike) showing off how awesome they are at cars?

you know what i mean when i say that whatsapp group chat

From my limited knowledge, that bot is more likely to have higher fuel consumption under constant speed cruising, and it is different then using smaller turbo engine for the same car (e.g. 2.0 na vs 1.6 turbo trim). The old turbo system is generally running at richer fuel so that engine is not overly heated at high boost high rev, I'm not sure on the latest tech in map/tune the fuel mixture. And i think ultimately the sifu will tune the engine to customer's need, like high end power or better torque or...

Nightstalker1993dont need take your precious time to reply that joker, he wont accept it, what he will do is insult u .