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 How do I get a turbo system installation, On my KIA Forte?

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post Jul 22 2013, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Jul 22 2013, 05:59 AM)
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QUOTE(viosTRD @ Jul 22 2013, 09:00 AM)
I doubt that. BOT kia forte and tapao NA vios? Wanna try with BOT vios? Please go youtube see teebo vios before you sure that u can tapao vios tebooo. Secondly please la u, we suggest him to change car is a better option since he want turbo. Even a wira turbo is much faster than this kia forte on video.
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lag until 5krpm? no thank you, no one need that. LOL! laugh.gif

Nightstalker1993 i dont think he even dare to read your reply anymore hahaha
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QUOTE(viosTRD @ Jul 22 2013, 11:08 PM)
Want fast car sell away this car.

Fast car wont cheap
Cheap car wont fast
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How fast is the fast u mentioned?
How low price car is the cheap car u mentioned?
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post Jul 22 2013, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Jul 22 2013, 05:59 AM)
Seriously I'm speechless with all the negativity that surrounds when someone posts asking about bolting on turbo onto their car. Is it that bad? Maybe TS is serious about it and he just needs a point to start. Everybody have to start from somewhere.
1. many shops can do, depends on who you know
2. custom setup where got name bro, you think like japanese car can buy bolt on Greddy kit ka? That one also will cost you 5 figures
3. It's called a turbo KIT for a reason, there's definitely many things that needs to be installed.

1. Not really as long as done right the first time. Maybe just change the oil more often(instead of 7k, change at 5k)
2. depends on your foot. how much fuel you use depends on how much power you use from the engine. if you kaki binary keep boosting then your FC definitely will go down but if you just drive normal, your FC should remain the same or even better than stock.
3. 5k onwards to 5 figures depending on setup.
your concept about cars and how turbocharger system works is totally wrong. Technical experts you can refer to others who had already done it(as can be seen, there ARE turbo'd Forte's running around already), research online what others did overseas, research around BOT users from other cars as well.

- As mentioned previously, FC depends totally on your foot. You take a Golf GTi 2.0 and whack all out touge in genting and watch your fuel burnnnnn
- Usually overheating is not much of a problem, the problem about boosting high boost is whether your engine internals can take it or not. Pistons, conrods, crankshafts etc which is why you see people swapping out their pistons/conrods/crankshafts/gaskets with something stronger if they really go serious into their turbo setup. Intake manifold crack? HAHAHAHAHAHHA!! Exhaust manifold crack ada lah which is either due to shoddy welding during the fabrication of the manifold or your exhaust temps(tuning) is way too high which your pistons will melt first before your manifold will start cracking. And usually people engine blow is due to the head gasket giving way, pistons cracking, conrods or crankshaft snapping, but definitely not manifolds cracking.
- Air intake pipe cannot be straight? You gotta be kidding me. Explain why people go for ITB(Individual Throttle Bodies) then. It's basically sucking air direct from the atmosphere, no bends and whatnot. heres a video with ITB and standoff injectors.
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- A properly done up car can actually get a higher RV than a normal car as long as it's properly done up. If you want you can even remove the kit and demod the car and the car will be as good as stock, plus you can earn back a few grand from selling your turbo kit.
- you know alot of technical jargons like wastegate, twin scroll and VGT but seems like you have zero clue on what those are or even means. All petrol cars running turbos requires a wastegate, be it internal or external. VGT, twin scroll are technologies which improves turbo response and performance. Since all turbo's have wastegates, do explain the relationship between wastegate and turbo lag then and also i'm curious about carbon buildup if i release throttle at the 2000rpm spectrum.

I agree that newer cars comes with new technologies that reduces turbo lag and improves performance but things that comes out from the factory isn't exactly the best. They're designed so that they can be massed produced cheaply and effectively while still able to do it's basic job, albeit not the best. Many forced induction cars(4g93T GSR engine and Preve S4PH-T are good examples) have rubber hoses as their intercooler piping which expands under boost and this expansions robs about 500rpm before full boost comes in which is why many people replace it with stainless steel versions and Samco elbow bends which won't expand under boost. Stock exhaust manifolds are also cast iron. Swapping it out with a custom-made tuned-length 'banana' manifold will increase performance as it enhances exhaust gas flow to the turbo providing faster spool-up. Long story short, not all things that comes out from the factory, designed by 'engineers' are good, there's always space for improvement.
Agree with this statement, i suggest TS to study on how turbo system works first and all the parts needed, at least it will save you face by preventing you asking stupid questions to veterans who knows their shit.
the Forte in the video is an auto and the auto GB robs alot of HP from the car. A Polo TSi may win it, but hey, it's still faster than most NA cars on the road and can easily tapao a Vios.

My 2c to TS is to do your own research and what you do is totally up to you as it's your car anyway. But before you do anyhting, make sure you have enough knowledge on hand and don't regret whatever you have done(unless you've done something really really stupid) As you can see, many of the people here in this forum are just keyboard warriors who knows jackshit about the technical aspects on cars. Long gone is the time where this forum used to discuss technical stuff like cams and engine design, now it's just a place where people compare cars and ask what car to buy with a certain budget.

long post, bye bye

edit: btw, please do NOT get your kit from Xenon. just google up their name and you'll know what i mean.
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Since TS asking for advises whether to get Turbo, you are the devil while I am the angel. Ofcourse, 1 support 1 against. Those custom shops you mentioned, do they even know anything about pressure and air density in the first place? Do they know how to calculate the most optimum flow? Those piping are done with proper measurement or just copy and think got the style means ok. You can set air intake straight but it will not draw the highest volume of air with optimum density before pump into engine. You could draw lots of air but not highest density end up more fuel guzzling.

Excuse me, Forte 2.0 NA will get better FC than turbocharged 2.0L. This is fact. Also, the FC depends on how high the boost. If boosted to 2.4L engine strength professionally by Kia, it'll consume less fuel than 2.4L NA but still higher than 2.0L NA.

When comes to hands of Ah Chong or Ah Meng modify workshop, Lol!! Whatever they do, they are nothing close to what real carmakers could do in reality. Only end up with high FC and more horsepower but less torque. Vios is not made for performance and it is nothing more than a city car. Why take that for comparison?

Do you know what are the function of VGT & Twinscroll Turbochargers in the first place? Ever since these 2 types are introduced, those normal turbo we all know are now labelled as lower level wastegate turbocharger to differentiate clearly from the 2 new toys. What do you know about turbolag?

Pug508 1.6T
output 156ps@6000rpm
torque 240Nm@1400rpm

The turbo activates from 1400rpm onwards. If you think below 1400rpm without turbo assist is lag, that is wrong. Turbolag happens when the turbocharger activated and while operating at 3200rpm and there's sudden deceleration, the pressure from exhaust become low and to allow the turbocharger to continue spinning optimum, the VGT would retract the blades for low pressure mode continue to draw in air. Twinscroll type in BMW has 2 vents, 1 for low pressure and that allows the turbine to keep spinning under similar situation. The older normal wastegate type can't do this.

Talking about maintenance & reliability, do you know those who knows nothing about pressure would end up choking the engine. In long run, wear & tear faster and more often, requiring more cleaning.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jul 22 2013, 11:37 PM
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post Jul 22 2013, 11:40 PM

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Nightstalker1993 , nah kan.. Expert is in the air!!

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post Jul 22 2013, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(archonixm @ Jul 22 2013, 08:35 PM)
I think just prepare 15k for proper turbo setup

-management(Haltech SP500)
-intercooler piping 
-wastegate
-tonnka turbo manifold
-BOV
-good turbo
-bigger injector
-walbro fuel pump
-engine oil cooler
-Boost meter, engine oil pressure meter, engine oil temp meter, water temp meter.
-atf oil cooler
-double layer radiator
-get better brake.

this setup is kinda safe for 0.5 bar boost.

if u want higher BOT, u need to start to work on your internal.
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I'm curious on how much more horses Haltech SP500 can produce compare to Emanage?

By the way, with such moolah, getting a halfcut is even better tongue.gif

What?? Turbo lag will cause deceleration? No offence bro, i didnt encounter such thing leh..




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QUOTE(tungfunglaw @ Jul 22 2013, 11:42 PM)
I'm curious on how much more horses Haltech SP500 can produce compare to Emanage?

By the way, with such moolah, getting a halfcut is even better  tongue.gif
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Actually the management system dun make power
the tuning yes..
Some products can have larger map resolution where u can tune more .. More rpm range smaller interval.. Higher boost control and so on.

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 22 2013, 11:35 PM)
Since TS asking for advises whether to get Turbo, you are the devil while I am the angel. Ofcourse, 1 support 1 against. Those custom shops you mentioned, do they even know anything about pressure and air density in the first place? Do they know how to calculate the most optimum flow? Those piping are done with proper measurement or just copy and think got the style means ok. You can set air intake straight but it will not draw the highest volume of air with optimum density before pump into engine. You could draw lots of air but not highest density end up more fuel guzzling.

Excuse me, Forte 2.0 NA will get better FC than turbocharged 2.0L. This is fact. Also, the FC depends on how high the boost. If boosted to 2.4L engine strength professionally by Kia, it'll consume less fuel than 2.4L NA but still higher than 2.0L NA.

When comes to hands of Ah Chong or Ah Meng modify workshop, Lol!! Whatever they do, they are nothing close to what real carmakers could do in reality. Only end up with high FC and more horsepower but less torque. Vios is not made for performance and it is nothing more than a city car. Why take that for comparison?

Do you know what are the function of VGT & Twinscroll Turbochargers in the first place? Ever since these 2 types are introduced, those normal turbo we all know are now labelled as lower level wastegate turbocharger to differentiate clearly from the 2 new toys. What do you know about turbolag?

Pug508 1.6T
output 156ps@6000rpm
torque 240Nm@1400rpm

The turbo activates from 1400rpm onwards. If you think below 1400rpm without turbo assist is lag, that is wrong. Turbolag happens when the turbocharger activated and while operating at 3200rpm and there's sudden deceleration, the pressure from exhaust become low and to allow the turbocharger to continue spinning optimum, the VGT would retract the blades for low pressure mode continue to draw in air.  Twinscroll type in BMW has 2 vents, 1 for low pressure and that allows the turbine to keep spinning under similar situation. The older normal wastegate type can't do this.

Talking about maintenance & reliability, do you know those who knows nothing about pressure would end up choking the engine. In long run, wear & tear faster and more often, requiring more cleaning.
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hahahahahahahaha, pls stop making you more looking like a fool lah. i wonder have u ever own and maintain a turbo car your own. (dont tell me mere test drives) do you even ever mod a turbo car? do you ever understand how turbo works? omfg. LMAO! shocking.gif laugh.gif doh.gif

This post has been edited by Gouki: Jul 23 2013, 12:25 AM
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lolz, that craptor from AW forum, nvr failed to entertain use rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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Tonka or Tong sampah also the same... everything is depend on tuning and matching! What is Turbo and what does it do and why supercharger... well there is a long way to learn however it is interesting which is better than reading bible.

What i would say is efficiency! if you say NA runs more efficient than a Turbo charged engine well tomorrow i will be at the Church.
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QUOTE(viosTRD @ Jul 22 2013, 11:08 PM)
Want fast car sell away this car.

Fast car wont cheap
Cheap car wont fast
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I Agree.... Sell this ride buy a Vios and live a so called normal life
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post Jul 23 2013, 12:50 AM

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Or maybe after get a vios, u can pump in turbo which kick in at 5k rpm onwards.
The result, u get plenty of sihamz + godlike torque n horsepower with durable 4at + good fc + most important nice rv
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i dunno a thing from the previous page & not intend to read it.. but if ur interested on bot ur forte.. go google or yahoo it up.. from a fellow friend of mine who owns forte.. there are tons of information about it out there.. as people from europe & US bot their forte the first day the car being sold there~
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QUOTE(dreamsquall @ Jul 23 2013, 12:50 AM)
Or maybe after get a vios, u can pump in turbo which kick in at 5k rpm onwards.
The result, u get plenty of sihamz + godlike torque n horsepower with durable 4at  + good fc + most important nice rv
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Yup with Vios u can get

1. Si hams
2. Lala
3. Ohhh Chen

Sometimes with bonus might get LP
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QUOTE(viosTRD @ Jul 22 2013, 09:00 AM)
I doubt that. BOT kia forte and tapao NA vios? Wanna try with BOT vios? Please go youtube see teebo vios before you sure that u can tapao vios tebooo. Secondly please la u, we suggest him to change car is a better option since he want turbo. Even a wira turbo is much faster than this kia forte on video.
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btw.. my NA auto gearbox Waja fitted with a set of heavy 17" lowered down to the point the base of the car hit every speedbumps out there.. can tapao ur vios anyday~
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QUOTE(mxsteven @ Jul 23 2013, 01:02 AM)
Yup with Vios u can get

1. Si hams
2. Lala
3. Ohhh Chen

Sometimes with bonus might get LP
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i like si hams. drool.gif
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 22 2013, 11:35 PM)
Since TS asking for advises whether to get Turbo, you are the devil while I am the angel. Ofcourse, 1 support 1 against. Those custom shops you mentioned, do they even know anything about pressure and air density in the first place? Do they know how to calculate the most optimum flow? Those piping are done with proper measurement or just copy and think got the style means ok. You can set air intake straight but it will not draw the highest volume of air with optimum density before pump into engine. You could draw lots of air but not highest density end up more fuel guzzling.

Excuse me, Forte 2.0 NA will get better FC than turbocharged 2.0L. This is fact. Also, the FC depends on how high the boost. If boosted to 2.4L engine strength professionally by Kia, it'll consume less fuel than 2.4L NA but still higher than 2.0L NA.

When comes to hands of Ah Chong or Ah Meng modify workshop, Lol!! Whatever they do, they are nothing close to what real carmakers could do in reality. Only end up with high FC and more horsepower but less torque. Vios is not made for performance and it is nothing more than a city car. Why take that for comparison?

Do you know what are the function of VGT & Twinscroll Turbochargers in the first place? Ever since these 2 types are introduced, those normal turbo we all know are now labelled as lower level wastegate turbocharger to differentiate clearly from the 2 new toys. What do you know about turbolag?

Pug508 1.6T
output 156ps@6000rpm
torque 240Nm@1400rpm

The turbo activates from 1400rpm onwards. If you think below 1400rpm without turbo assist is lag, that is wrong. Turbolag happens when the turbocharger activated and while operating at 3200rpm and there's sudden deceleration, the pressure from exhaust become low and to allow the turbocharger to continue spinning optimum, the VGT would retract the blades for low pressure mode continue to draw in air.  Twinscroll type in BMW has 2 vents, 1 for low pressure and that allows the turbine to keep spinning under similar situation. The older normal wastegate type can't do this.

Talking about maintenance & reliability, do you know those who knows nothing about pressure would end up choking the engine. In long run, wear & tear faster and more often, requiring more cleaning.
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Dammit.... you are really STUPID! I tot they just joking around...
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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Jul 22 2013, 09:57 PM)
forum is a place to learn. those with lack of knowledge are encouraged to read through older posts or use the search feature before posting which is highly enforced in international forums(be it automotive ke, android modding ke, technical software stuff ke). the 'elites' are usually laid back and low profile, only coming in when situation calls and rarely do they 'show off how awesome they are'. Those who do are usually wannabe's anyway.
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eh you completely missed what i was trying to say, nvm la lol
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 22 2013, 11:35 PM)
Since TS asking for advises whether to get Turbo, you are the devil while I am the angel. Ofcourse, 1 support 1 against. Those custom shops you mentioned, do they even know anything about pressure and air density in the first place? Do they know how to calculate the most optimum flow? Those piping are done with proper measurement or just copy and think got the style means ok. You can set air intake straight but it will not draw the highest volume of air with optimum density before pump into engine. You could draw lots of air but not highest density end up more fuel guzzling.

Excuse me, Forte 2.0 NA will get better FC than turbocharged 2.0L. This is fact. Also, the FC depends on how high the boost. If boosted to 2.4L engine strength professionally by Kia, it'll consume less fuel than 2.4L NA but still higher than 2.0L NA.

When comes to hands of Ah Chong or Ah Meng modify workshop, Lol!! Whatever they do, they are nothing close to what real carmakers could do in reality. Only end up with high FC and more horsepower but less torque. Vios is not made for performance and it is nothing more than a city car. Why take that for comparison?

Do you know what are the function of VGT & Twinscroll Turbochargers in the first place? Ever since these 2 types are introduced, those normal turbo we all know are now labelled as lower level wastegate turbocharger to differentiate clearly from the 2 new toys. What do you know about turbolag?

Pug508 1.6T
output 156ps@6000rpm
torque 240Nm@1400rpm

The turbo activates from 1400rpm onwards. If you think below 1400rpm without turbo assist is lag, that is wrong. Turbolag happens when the turbocharger activated and while operating at 3200rpm and there's sudden deceleration, the pressure from exhaust become low and to allow the turbocharger to continue spinning optimum, the VGT would retract the blades for low pressure mode continue to draw in air.  Twinscroll type in BMW has 2 vents, 1 for low pressure and that allows the turbine to keep spinning under similar situation. The older normal wastegate type can't do this.

Talking about maintenance & reliability, do you know those who knows nothing about pressure would end up choking the engine. In long run, wear & tear faster and more often, requiring more cleaning.
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Honestly I'm pretty lazy to reply this as this clearly shows your lack in technical knowledge. But since it is already 5am in the wee hours and I need to waste some energy in order for me to sleep, here's my post.

What you need to know about pressure and density? Ideal Gas Law? Boyle's Law? Charle's Law? Seriously? And talking about intake, you say straight air intake won't draw in as much air as a 'bent' air intake? Those 4age's 1600cc are pushing more than 200hp with that setup and you're telling me it's not drawing enough air? Let's go to Jet engines then, direct ram air intake. Anything to say about that? It's still basically a 4 'process' engine as it still requires intake, compression, combustion and exhaust, just that it does it all at once. Air is sucked in direct from the atmosphere and it makes use of the ram effect at high speeds and altitudes.

You're saying the efficiency of a 2.0 NA will always be better than a Turbocharged 1.6L with the same power as a 2.0NA. Seems like you're missing the knowledge about volumetric efficiency here. Turbocharged cars will always be more efficient than NA engines as the turbocharger is harnessing energy from the exhaust which on an NA engine will be wasted, then using that energy and compressing air, forcing air into the cylinders, increasing it's volumetric efficiency. About FC, as long as you drive in vacuum during normal town drive your FC will remain the same or even better than when NA, and will definitely be better than one with a higher cubic capacity.

Reason we're comparing with a Vios is because the Vios is basically in the same category as a Forte, a basic everyday-drive point A-B car. If a Vios can be turbocharged, why not a Forte?

Yes I do know the function of a twin scroll and VGT, I'm just afraid that you don't. Seriously you're making a fool out of yourself saying 'wastegate-type' turbochargers are old school tech. ALL turbochargers used in petrol engines needs a wastegate else the boost level will just climb as the RPM increase until the engine kills itself from overboosting.

The way you're describing 'turbo lag' is as if you're describing a supercharger. Activates and deactivates? Bro, a turbocharger spins even when the engine is idling. When a turbocharger starts producing usable boost is a whole different thing, it doesn't 'activates' and 'deactivates'. Newer technologies can start producing usable boost at an earlier RPM than older turbo's with older technologies and hold that boost throughout a longer RPM range than an old-school turbo, but the way you describe it is totally wrong. What vents for low pressure and high pressure? All VGT does is changes the A/R ratio and exhaust flow in order to compensate for low-rpm and high-rpm driving thus creating boost at a lower RPM and then changing the nozzle angle to accomodate higher RPM operations. Some VGT Turbo's in Diesel applications do not require a wastegate as they don't rev that high anyways and does not produce that much gas flow but most petrol engines do. Volvo's VGT turbo's does have a wastegate built-in and a twin-scroll turbo definitely have a wastegate built in. They're taking technologies that had been long used in the aviation industry in jet engines and finally putting it to use in the automotive world.

For those who don't know what's VGT, HERE'S a simple description on what VGT is. For twin scroll, it divides the cylinder exhaust gas, thus seperating exhaust gas pulsations and improves the scavenging effect in a 4-stroke multi-cylinder engine. And yes there are also split to a small and large turbine for lower and higher engine rpm efficiency.

About your last paragraph, so basically a bolted-on turbo engine will die because it would choke the engine, eventhough with a turbo you're basically forcing air in? What a joke. I do agree that the wear and tear in a turbo engine would be slightly higher than an NA engine but with proper maintenance, both NA and turbo engines will last pretty damn long. What cleaning in specific are you talking about? Throttle body cleaning? top overhaul? Engine bay cleaning(LOL)?

Before you comment any further, do share what car are you driving and what car had you driven? Plus what had you modded on your car(or any cars) in that aspect? I see you have an atrocious reputation in AutoWorld forum i see rolleyes.gif

Anyways, good night.

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Get the car first, drive it for a few months and then think about whether it suits you. If it doesn't, then beli lah siput.
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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Jul 23 2013, 05:19 AM)
Honestly I'm pretty lazy to reply this as this clearly shows your lack in technical knowledge. But since it is already 5am in the wee hours and I need to waste some energy in order for me to sleep, here's my post.

What you need to know about pressure and density? Ideal Gas Law? Boyle's Law? Charle's Law? Seriously? And talking about intake, you say straight air intake won't draw in as much air as a 'bent' air intake? Those 4age's 1600cc are pushing more than 200hp with that setup and you're telling me it's not drawing enough air? Let's go to Jet engines then, direct ram air intake. Anything to say about that? It's still basically a 4 'process' engine as it still requires intake, compression, combustion and exhaust, just that it does it all at once. Air is sucked in direct from the atmosphere and it makes use of the ram effect at high speeds and altitudes.

You're saying the efficiency of a 2.0 NA will always be better than a Turbocharged 1.6L with the same power as a 2.0NA. Seems like you're missing the knowledge about volumetric efficiency here. Turbocharged cars will always be more efficient than NA engines as the turbocharger is harnessing energy from the exhaust which on an NA engine will be wasted, then using that energy and compressing air, forcing air into the cylinders, increasing it's volumetric efficiency. About FC, as long as you drive in vacuum during normal town drive your FC will remain the same or even better than when NA, and will definitely be better than one with a higher cubic capacity.

Reason we're comparing with a Vios is because the Vios is basically in the same category as a Forte, a basic everyday-drive point A-B car. If a Vios can be turbocharged, why not a Forte?

Yes I do know the function of a twin scroll and VGT, I'm just afraid that you don't. Seriously you're making a fool out of yourself saying 'wastegate-type' turbochargers are old school tech. ALL turbochargers used in petrol engines needs a wastegate else the boost level will just climb as the RPM increase until the engine kills itself from overboosting.

The way you're describing 'turbo lag' is as if you're describing a supercharger. Activates and deactivates? Bro, a turbocharger spins even when the engine is idling. When a turbocharger starts producing usable boost is a whole different thing, it doesn't 'activates' and 'deactivates'. Newer technologies can start producing usable boost at an earlier RPM than older turbo's with older technologies and hold that boost throughout a longer RPM range than an old-school turbo, but the way you describe it is totally wrong. What vents for low pressure and high pressure? All VGT does is changes the A/R ratio and exhaust flow in order to compensate for low-rpm and high-rpm driving thus creating boost at a lower RPM and then changing the nozzle angle to accomodate higher RPM operations. Some VGT Turbo's in Diesel applications do not require a wastegate as they don't rev that high anyways and does not produce that much gas flow but most petrol engines do. Volvo's VGT turbo's does have a wastegate built-in and a twin-scroll turbo definitely have a wastegate built in. They're taking technologies that had been long used in the aviation industry in jet engines and finally putting it to use in the automotive world.

For those who don't know what's VGT, HERE'S a simple description on what VGT is. For twin scroll, it divides the cylinder exhaust gas, thus seperating exhaust gas pulsations and improves the scavenging effect in a 4-stroke multi-cylinder engine. And yes there are also split to a small and large turbine for lower and higher engine rpm efficiency.

About your last paragraph, so basically a bolted-on turbo engine will die because it would choke the engine, eventhough with a turbo you're basically forcing air in? What a joke. I do agree that the wear and tear in a turbo engine would be slightly higher than an NA engine but with proper maintenance, both NA and turbo engines will last pretty damn long. What cleaning in specific are you talking about? Throttle body cleaning? top overhaul? Engine bay cleaning(LOL)?

Before you comment any further, do share what car are you driving and what car had you driven? Plus what had you modded on your car(or any cars) in that aspect? I see you have an atrocious reputation in AutoWorld forum i see rolleyes.gif

Anyways, good night.
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I seriously doubt he can understand..

Drive in vacuum.. He tot u saying vacuum cleaner later tongue.gif

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