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post Mar 24 2014, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Mar 24 2014, 10:52 PM)
i see hmm.gif

impressive speeds indeed, 8GB/s read. but ill stick to SSD atm

dont think 8GB RAM is sufficient
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well nevermind. ssd alone is not bad already. i have plenty of ram so allocating some for disk caching is fine.
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post Mar 27 2014, 01:32 PM

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120gb used ssd how much can get
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post Mar 28 2014, 07:50 AM

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May be in the range of RM200-RM250 depending on model...some could be higher
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post Mar 30 2014, 12:09 PM

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what model will be reliable in ssd.
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post Mar 30 2014, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(imrance @ Mar 30 2014, 12:09 PM)
what model will be reliable in ssd.
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from what i know, these models are extremely reliable

1. Intel
2. Crucial
3. Plextor
4. Samsung
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post Mar 30 2014, 02:45 PM

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reliable wise i'll go with intel 530
~rm30 extra price tag with extra 2 years of warranty....
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post Mar 30 2014, 11:51 PM

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I see lyn quite popukar with m5s ..some how the write is very low around 200mbps...
his read is around 500+ mbps..
Other model like samsung evo has higher write speed with jusr rm50 different ..
Why?
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post Mar 31 2014, 10:26 AM

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go for m6s if you think writes is a concern. for boot time and app/game loading, read speed is more significant imo.

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post Mar 31 2014, 01:32 PM

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will go for Intel 530 series ssd too, at least can get 5yrs warranty
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post Mar 31 2014, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Mar 30 2014, 11:51 PM)
I see lyn quite popukar with m5s ..some how the write is very low around 200mbps...
his read is around 500+ mbps..
Other model like samsung evo has higher write speed with jusr rm50 different ..
Why?
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usually write speed isnt that important for normal consumers as most of the time its based on the read speed that impressed us (faster boot up, faster apps loading etc)

higher write speeds is usually required when youre doing write intensive tasks which most of us dont really perform often as well. i mean, do you even perform much write as a casual consumer?

Samsung Evo have a higher write speed to compensate that they have lower endurance as the Evo is a TLC NAND which have a lower PE cycle compared to MLC NANDs like Intel, Plextor, Crucial etc etc

its to balance the SSD. i mean would you buy SSD with lower endurance if it isnt faster than MLC?

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Mar 31 2014, 02:21 PM)
usually write speed isnt that important for normal consumers as most of the time its based on the read speed that impressed us (faster boot up, faster apps loading etc)

higher write speeds is usually required when youre doing write intensive tasks which most of us dont really perform often as well. i mean, do you even perform much write as a casual consumer?

Samsung Evo have a higher write speed to compensate that they have lower endurance as the Evo is a TLC NAND which have a lower PE cycle compared to MLC NANDs like Intel, Plextor, Crucial etc etc

its to balance the SSD. i mean would you buy SSD with lower endurance if it isnt faster than MLC?
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but my supplier say TLC endurance is not proven yet as this still new in market..
more supplier will go for TLC due to price is cheaper compare to MLC.

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post Mar 31 2014, 03:15 PM

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helo guys, new to this section, planning to grab a ssd sooner or later, currently stalking kingston v300(l don think this one is good) & samsung evo840 120gb, any professional opinion can enlight me? thanks! laugh.gif
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Mar 31 2014, 03:10 PM)
but my supplier say TLC endurance is not proven yet as this still new in market..
more supplier will go for TLC due to price is cheaper compare to MLC.
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the only TLC i know in market is Samsung 840 Evo and the old 840 only. the PE cycle ranking are as follows

1. SLC - 100k PE cycle
2. MLC - 5-10k cycles
3. TLC - 1k cycle

its already proven that TLC already have the lowest PE cycle and degrades faster than the other two types of NAND. ofc thats all under load work with SSD, if youre not doing any heavy work, TLC NAND can last as long as MLC
AnandTech wrote a damn good article about it as well, read it Understanding TLC NAND

going TLC is certainly a good way for mainstream consumers, as most of them are turned off by the price of the more pricier MLC NAND SSDs. however, the price of TLC NAND (Samsung 840 Evo) is not exactly on the cheap side. Samsung is still pricing it at RM359 which is equivalent to what most standard MLCs cost anyway. given the pricing is an arse, going TLC when other MLC are available at the same price is a pretty silly move

that being said, Samsung Evo is still one of the best and fastest SSDs out there. just that i wouldnt recommend Samsung Evo for heavy users due to TLC and the price range. youll gonna need to swap SSD soon if you keep performing heavy write loads on it. itll reach the PE cycle limit way faster than MLCs

QUOTE(ReverseDark @ Mar 31 2014, 03:15 PM)
helo guys, new to this section, planning to grab a ssd sooner or later, currently stalking kingston v300(l don think this one is good) & samsung evo840 120gb, any professional opinion can enlight me? thanks! laugh.gif
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V300 is a decent SSD, but do avoid new batches. AnandTech mentioned that the new batches currently have issues in reliability and consistency (Kingston changed manufacturer from Taiwan to China). So if you notice the V300 batch youre interested in is made in China instead of Taiwan, i suggest getting a different choice as per below

Crucial M500 - reliable in terms of speed and quality, may not be the fastest SSD but still fast enough, have good built in encryption method, power loss protection (for those who have twitchy home power)
Plextor M5S - slightly faster than the M500, cheapest of all at RM289 as per this date, consistent performer as well
Kingston HyperX 3K - fast and reliable, Sandforce controller, top of the line for Kingston SSDs
Intel 530 - fast and reliable, best among all the ones mentioned above, 5 year warranty compared to the 3 above, comes with Intel's superb SSD softwares
Samsung 840 Pro - fastest among all SSDs above, comes with great software support as well, but extremely pricey, 5yr warranty

as per above reasons, i wouldnt recommend Samsung 840 Evo.
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Mar 31 2014, 03:37 PM)
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l got quote samsung evo840 rm290, while kingston v300 rm250 after discount, both are 120gb, haven looked into intel one icon_question.gif
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post Mar 31 2014, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(ReverseDark @ Mar 31 2014, 03:55 PM)
l got quote samsung evo840 rm290, while kingston v300 rm250 after discount, both are 120gb, haven looked into intel one  icon_question.gif
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in terms of speed between the two you mentioned, Samsung Evo even without RAPID mode beats it flat nod.gif

but V300 have more endurance than TLC based Samsung 840 Evo

extremely good pricing you got there, mind sharing the 240GB pricing? brows.gif
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Mar 31 2014, 04:51 PM)
in terms of speed between the two you mentioned, Samsung Evo even without RAPID mode beats it flat nod.gif

but V300 have more endurance than TLC based Samsung 840 Evo

extremely good pricing you got there, mind sharing the 240GB pricing? brows.gif
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Here you go storm88 aka tech armory are having promotion now, oh well saves me the trouble for going pc fair nod.gif 240gb priced @rm545
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QUOTE(ReverseDark @ Mar 31 2014, 04:59 PM)
Here you go storm88 aka tech armory are having promotion now, oh well saves me the trouble for going pc fair  nod.gif 240gb priced @rm545
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sweet pricing, you can go for 240GB as well brows.gif

but alas i already bought mine couple of days back
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Mar 31 2014, 05:02 PM)
sweet pricing, you can go for 240GB as well brows.gif

but alas i already bought mine couple of days back
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l suppose 120gb is enough for me, sry gonna ask some silly question, why 240gb? laugh.gif l mean any significant difference from getting a 240gb instead of 120gb one?
*besides space gb icon_question.gif

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post Mar 31 2014, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(ReverseDark @ Mar 31 2014, 05:15 PM)
l suppose 120gb is enough for me, sry gonna ask some silly question, why 240gb?  laugh.gif l mean any significant difference from getting a 240gb instead of 120gb one?
*besides space gb  icon_question.gif
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it's not a silly question. the larger the space, the more apps/games you can store. this way you do not need to uninstall old games to fit new games so frequently (i.e. help reduce writes/erase cycles). for instance, bf4 with the two dlc's are now 34.7GB. when you delete it to fit new games, your ssd is 34.7GB shorter in lifespan. furthermore, you can allocate some space for over-provisioning purpose (for performance). imo 120gb is just good for OS drive, plus some apps. to store games, it will quickly run out of space.
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 31 2014, 05:34 PM)
it's not a silly question. the larger the space, the more apps/games you can store. this way you do not need to uninstall old games to fit new games so frequently (i.e. help reduce writes/erase cycles). for instance, bf4 with the two dlc's are now 34.7GB. when you delete it to fit new games, your ssd is 34.7GB shorter in lifespan. furthermore, you can allocate some space for over-provisioning purpose (for performance). imo 120gb is just good for OS drive, plus some apps. to store games, it will quickly run out of space.
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l see, guess gonna pain my wallet for 240gb doh.gif cant buy ram after this sweat.gif

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