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post Aug 21 2013, 02:06 PM

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Any Crucial M500 user here? hmm.gif

Wanna ask how do you all find the SSD's performance
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post Aug 22 2013, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(jimmy.soo @ Aug 22 2013, 06:47 PM)
read speed is decent, but write is... hmm.gif

120GB version?
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post Aug 23 2013, 01:44 AM

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QUOTE(jimmy.soo @ Aug 23 2013, 12:59 AM)
yes 120GB only, the higher the capacity the faster the write speed. However as some mentioned 4K writes is much important which I have no clue at all which is which are more important sweat.gif
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ive no idea as well in picking SSDs

ive read their review by Anand and TomsHardware

seeing from benchmark, it isnt really the fastest nor the cheapest

but it does come with extra features that they didnt go deep into doh.gif
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post Aug 23 2013, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 23 2013, 10:08 AM)
Sequential Read/Write only important for those doing transcoding videos in massive amounts, other than that, 4K is for daily usage where smaller files Read/Write is much frequent than you reading couple hundreds of MBs.
The higher capacity provide better speed but that's all depends on each person wallet as well, if you can afford those high-end units, then you can enjoy those freaking high speed, but in the end, 4K read/write and access time is utmost important in any situation, be it massive workload, or daily usage.
Anyway, those doing massive transcoding will use RAID0 to compensate the sequential read/write speed, this is where normal users (over 95%) does not really needs.
I'm darn happy already after 2 weeks with my new SSD+HDD, no need to head for tea when booting up my laptop, no need to sweat while turning off my laptop, just click Shut down, close the lid, pack everything up, it's just that fast. cool2.gif Oh... few more, loading apps is just... so fast that I'm tapping the table using other users laptop. (Waiting can be frustrating... sweat.gif  doh.gif )
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Thanks for the info thumbup.gif

Im pretty interested in getting a 256 or 512GB SSD.. Make it somewhat like a gaming/OS/always being used programs. But the price sweat.gif
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post Sep 11 2013, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(jakuraz @ Sep 11 2013, 08:29 PM)
hi guys. im currently using crucial m4 256gb, bought last year. works very efficiently.
now i gonna buy another ssd for other laptop. now which ssd is the best? looking for best bang for buck (price to performance ratio)
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Crucial M500 perhaps?

the 960GB one best bang for buck whistling.gif
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post Sep 12 2013, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(Mr_47 @ Sep 12 2013, 02:52 PM)
wow cost a bomb! sweat.gif
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costs a bomb, but if counting price per GB, its the best wink.gif
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post Jan 19 2014, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(wengjoe @ Jan 19 2014, 09:10 PM)
at least there are still people buying Intel SSD.

everyone seem to be a Samsung fanatic.  biggrin.gif
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Samsung is highly rated for their SSDs afterall smile.gif

one of the best too
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post Jan 19 2014, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jan 19 2014, 10:54 PM)
Yap so far from what I used within samsung Evo, intel 530, the faster smooth like no other, the only samsung 840 Pro would given it feels.
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840 Evo only weakness is TLC atm, its not suitable for heavy users

for me, even though im not heavy user, i find it hard to dish out RM300+ for it due to the TLC NAND when other MLC NAND are priced similarly

but that speed from a TLC NAND.. comparable and even surpassing MLCs shocking.gif
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post Jan 19 2014, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(Chew Yongxian @ Jan 19 2014, 11:49 PM)
Aiks. So would you suggest I stick to the EVO 840 250GB, or is there a MLC based one around the same price range that you will recommend instead?
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its a good SSD nonetheless, but if youre the kind who requires SSD for work related softwares where you need to frequently write data then i say no. under light usage, AnandTech estimated 7 years of lifespan. if under heavy... cant say for sure but its lesser. MLCs can last longer even under heavy loads. bear in mind SSDs are not rated on years of lifespan but more on the amount of read and write cycles, so my previous analogy can be irrelevant

other choices (all MLCs)
Crucial M500 240GB RM569
Plextor M5S 256GB RM574
Kingston HyperX 3K 256GB RM599
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post Jan 20 2014, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(Chew Yongxian @ Jan 20 2014, 12:02 AM)
The only heavy work will PC will ever do is gaming. I'm planning to use the SSD as a base for all my programs while I store files like songs, movies and files in my HDD. So I'm not sure if that qualifies as heavy usage of read and write times. Hmmm.

Not so sure on the Crucial or Plextor M5S though. But I was also considering the Kingston as well. Of all the fours models here, which would you recommend for my kind of usage?
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well, read this to boost your knowledge on SSDs nod.gif
http://www.thessdreview.com/ssd-guides/opt...dows-8-edition/

not sure about Kingston but i have a friend with Crucial M500, he said so far pretty decently fast and no failures yet. as for Plextor, i have yet to see many LYN Plextor users complaining as well
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post Mar 24 2014, 04:44 PM

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man.. first day Intel 530 owner.. and already having problems with the AHCI config sweat.gif

went on boot loop when changed from IDE to AHCI

then attempt to install AHCI drivers from ASUS, platform not supported -.-
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post Mar 24 2014, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 24 2014, 05:11 PM)
i have 3 plextor m5m in laptops (almost a year; no issue so far) I think the warranty period is the same for both.
a better practice imo is change bios settings, install ssd, then reinstall OS.

did you try the drivers (chipset, RST) from intel? so far i have no issue with w7/8/8.1.
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i tried changing before installing the SSD
same endless boot looop

i suspected the drivers as i didnt install the Intel/ASUS RAID/AHCI drivers. but the driver setup keep saying 'this platform not supported' doh.gif

QUOTE(1024kbps @ Mar 24 2014, 05:55 PM)
If you dont want to reinstall your OS, here's the trick http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=313676
Another trick is changing SSD to other SATA port with different chipset, but i cant recall if whether if this one will work correctly or not sweat.gif
Never touched SSD and BIOS for decades already.
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oh saw that as well, tried but no msahci, so i use storahci

changed the value to 1 (default was 0) and nothing happened sad.gif
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post Mar 24 2014, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 24 2014, 07:30 PM)
that guy manually inserted his registry to the PC hmm.gif

come to think about it, i havent even update BIOS.. is it necessary?

EDIT: got it working right, it seems i missed the second registry edit sweat.gif

thanks for the help! smile.gif

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post Mar 24 2014, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(OC4/3 @ Mar 24 2014, 09:07 PM)
Simple
Boot with IDE
Modified registry to enable AHCI
Reboot and go bios change to AHCI
That's it
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yep already fixed it dee, the link given above solved everything nod.gif

gonna see if im willing to post benchmarks
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post Mar 24 2014, 09:31 PM

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here goes the benchie, seems decent hmm.gif

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post Mar 24 2014, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 24 2014, 10:32 PM)
yeah everything is fine now.

if you have more ram, you might wanna try primocache. it's really making things more snappy:

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i don't care about writes i just boost the reads.
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wait, this is already using ramdisk? or still SSD? hmm.gif

i dont quite catch what you mean by if i have more ram
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post Mar 24 2014, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 24 2014, 10:49 PM)
it's not ramdisk. it's ssd with primocache enabled, a ram-based caching for disks. usually i do this to my hdd's.

since it's ram-based, you need some spare ram space.
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i see hmm.gif

impressive speeds indeed, 8GB/s read. but ill stick to SSD atm

dont think 8GB RAM is sufficient
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post Mar 30 2014, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(imrance @ Mar 30 2014, 12:09 PM)
what model will be reliable in ssd.
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from what i know, these models are extremely reliable

1. Intel
2. Crucial
3. Plextor
4. Samsung
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post Mar 31 2014, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Mar 30 2014, 11:51 PM)
I see lyn quite popukar with m5s ..some how the write is very low around 200mbps...
his read is around 500+ mbps..
Other model like samsung evo has higher write speed with jusr rm50 different ..
Why?
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usually write speed isnt that important for normal consumers as most of the time its based on the read speed that impressed us (faster boot up, faster apps loading etc)

higher write speeds is usually required when youre doing write intensive tasks which most of us dont really perform often as well. i mean, do you even perform much write as a casual consumer?

Samsung Evo have a higher write speed to compensate that they have lower endurance as the Evo is a TLC NAND which have a lower PE cycle compared to MLC NANDs like Intel, Plextor, Crucial etc etc

its to balance the SSD. i mean would you buy SSD with lower endurance if it isnt faster than MLC?

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post Mar 31 2014, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Mar 31 2014, 03:10 PM)
but my supplier say TLC endurance is not proven yet as this still new in market..
more supplier will go for TLC due to price is cheaper compare to MLC.
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the only TLC i know in market is Samsung 840 Evo and the old 840 only. the PE cycle ranking are as follows

1. SLC - 100k PE cycle
2. MLC - 5-10k cycles
3. TLC - 1k cycle

its already proven that TLC already have the lowest PE cycle and degrades faster than the other two types of NAND. ofc thats all under load work with SSD, if youre not doing any heavy work, TLC NAND can last as long as MLC
AnandTech wrote a damn good article about it as well, read it Understanding TLC NAND

going TLC is certainly a good way for mainstream consumers, as most of them are turned off by the price of the more pricier MLC NAND SSDs. however, the price of TLC NAND (Samsung 840 Evo) is not exactly on the cheap side. Samsung is still pricing it at RM359 which is equivalent to what most standard MLCs cost anyway. given the pricing is an arse, going TLC when other MLC are available at the same price is a pretty silly move

that being said, Samsung Evo is still one of the best and fastest SSDs out there. just that i wouldnt recommend Samsung Evo for heavy users due to TLC and the price range. youll gonna need to swap SSD soon if you keep performing heavy write loads on it. itll reach the PE cycle limit way faster than MLCs

QUOTE(ReverseDark @ Mar 31 2014, 03:15 PM)
helo guys, new to this section, planning to grab a ssd sooner or later, currently stalking kingston v300(l don think this one is good) & samsung evo840 120gb, any professional opinion can enlight me? thanks! laugh.gif
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V300 is a decent SSD, but do avoid new batches. AnandTech mentioned that the new batches currently have issues in reliability and consistency (Kingston changed manufacturer from Taiwan to China). So if you notice the V300 batch youre interested in is made in China instead of Taiwan, i suggest getting a different choice as per below

Crucial M500 - reliable in terms of speed and quality, may not be the fastest SSD but still fast enough, have good built in encryption method, power loss protection (for those who have twitchy home power)
Plextor M5S - slightly faster than the M500, cheapest of all at RM289 as per this date, consistent performer as well
Kingston HyperX 3K - fast and reliable, Sandforce controller, top of the line for Kingston SSDs
Intel 530 - fast and reliable, best among all the ones mentioned above, 5 year warranty compared to the 3 above, comes with Intel's superb SSD softwares
Samsung 840 Pro - fastest among all SSDs above, comes with great software support as well, but extremely pricey, 5yr warranty

as per above reasons, i wouldnt recommend Samsung 840 Evo.

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