Stock 660 Kancil can do 140.. I dont see why a 1.2 new car cannot do better. Vibrating also depends on the tyres (balancing and stones stuck in the threads).

top speed
Hyundai Atos Prima 1.1L : 146 km/h
Daihatsu Sirion 1.3 (MYVI) : 171km/h
Mazda 2 1.4 : 162km/h
Suzuki Swift 1.5L: 185km/h

what is so bad about savvy 1.2L that can do 170km/h?

Unfortunately, while we want to believe that savvy did not sell because of Proton's reputation, you have to remember one Proton's self created problem - reliability. Myvi had toyota behind it. What does Savvy has? As I've said, quality sells more cars than a tricked up suspension and hard chassis. Proton's reputation does it no good as well - the Waja, Gen2 and Savvy are all cars that are hyped with great handling, but then even so proton's market share dropped significantly since the introduction of Waja and beyond. What does this mean? All those praises, great reviews about handling, and so on, DOES NOT MEET the market demands. The rakyat want a quality car for the money we pay for, who freaking cares about handling when your door handle drops off after one week? And power window self destructs after first service?

I drive a Proton myself, and I'm not happy with it because the whole existence of Proton denies us the abiltiy to buy better cars like Honda City and Vios. We have no freaking choice - and all we ask for, is a focus on quality, a car that will get us from A to B safely and doesn't forces us to fix it up so much. And what do we get? The complete opposite.

By the time you're singing in the rain with ur power window spoilt and the outside raining heavily, I would love to see your car's handling come to the rescue.

We all hope that Proton will improve. That's the whole point why we are bashing it in the first place. If everybody sugar coat their words and support blindly in the pretense of patriotism or plain ignorance, as these Proton supporters are, then tell me, how is proton going to improve?

I'm a basher, but I don't think you even know why I am bashing Proton.

Again I ask, so what if savvy can do 170 km/h? It can go up to March 10 for all I care, but if it cannot sell, and cannot meet the market demand, its just a failed car.

Well, the term "Gearbox" is an auto car refers to the whole Autogearbox. The term "gearbox" in the AMT, involves the manual gearbox AND the robotic clutch thingy. That's one extra thing that will potentially breakdown. How does that makes it cheaper to maintain?

I suggest you get a course in simple economics. The higher the demand, the slower the depreciation. Savvy doesn't have much demand last time I checked. Remember, its the demand, not the numbers.

Unfortunately, renault clio did not win the award because of the engine alone. The clio is a good car overall, with good quality and build. That does not exist in our Savvy, and I don't see how that makes Savvy a better car. All along Proton has very good engines from Mitsubishi. Notice the main complaints DO NOT come from the engine compartment, but from INSIDE the car or on its chassis. Get your priorities right.

Yep, no souls. Ferrari and Alfa Romeo has lots of soul, but no sales. And guess what keeps a company alive?

i'm pretty sure that people will come and tell you that the quantity of Savvy on the road is increasing.

IMO Savvy sale is doing better now is due to the nicer looking AMT models, green and silver. however IMO many of Savvy's buyers could probably be people who are in dire need of a car and can't wait for Myvi's ridiculous wait time.

i think the wait time explains a lot about the demand.........

Savvy in first place was meant to replace the Tiara and to capture the small compact car monopolized by P2 and also a poor man car for not getting the Swift, JAzz, Getz etc. Blame it on tax, please that Gov just doing their job, even if P2 and P1 gone, the Gov will not let go one of the important revenue to the nation. Malaysia is the highest selling car market in Asean region. Even with high taxation, it will not stop people to buy Honda, Toyota, Merc, BM. The point is that, accept the reality of the car market in Malaysia. We have to live with it, or you can make a change in 5 years chance. So raise your voice and concern through proper channel.
But as it fully developed and manage to have its slice of market by stand true to its sportiness which is a niche market in Malaysia where everyone concern is the creature compfort of the car.
Its a bold step by Proton to introduce car differently from what market wanted. The sales figure speaks that Myvi overcome the sales of Savvy. But its not the indication of the car is bad or low quality since the car's owner not complaining about the car's problem. And while we waiting for two to three years to bash about the car's power window or other rattle dashboard, proton will come out with another new model. So does other car maker and we will busy rave and rants about new car.
Savvy for the price, fit the budget for someone who love compactness, ride and handling but don't have deep pocket for other Japs or Conti. P1 just give the alternative for the market. Not like it or the name Proton itself bring some bad memories, they are plentiful of choices. Just that your budget permit or not.

I used to drive a 10 years old iswara and it dont even tremble at 170 km/h..
only think is that the wind noise is loud...
other then that it din even tremble...
and its stock..

guess that maybe your fren din take care of the car properly ?

tyres, balancing and so on is taken into effect....

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iswara (sedan) is a good car if proton improve on it and make it better...
can sit 5 adult no problem... big storage space for its class...
it will sell even better then savvy if only proton improve on it...

no, proton decided to make savvy....
and i have seen a savvy packed to the brim during the recent long weekend...
pity the family, 2 kids and no storage space.... pity that family...

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P.S -> how long is the waiting time for kelisa and kancil ? about the same as myvi ?

no sweat, but i am one of the proton owner that walked away from Myvi after i've seen numerous issues regarding the brakes, immobilizers, starter, air bag & air cond, and i ignored my deposits for myvi andget a proton cars.

and guess what? i never forget the fun that my Proton gavesme while I drive it everyday!

Proton is not like the old proton anymore. however, this does not apply to Wiras & Iswaras as they're built on obsoleted technology and do not comply to today's safety & emmission standard. and proton agreed to phase them out within this year.

This post has been edited by navigator: May 13 2006, 10:58 AM

no bashing of Proton intended..... My first car was an Iswara, then 1.6Auto Waja, then 1.3 Waja. Every single one of them had the power window problem. The last one, the powered window wasn't even working the day I collected the new car! (don't they test the car at all?)
The dashboard sound...... biasa lah. "Tarak bunyi, bukan Proton lah, boss" - quote from Proton when I went to complain.Sigh.....

Is time to change my 1.3Wira now........ after long thought about MyV, I decided to bite the bullet and go for a Japanese car to save my all the headache and heartache. Thrice bitten, forever shy !

Really?
This year?

I don need to understand y, as urself already said it "I'm a basher". What's the point of talking to a basher that can predict the future by saying "this proton savvy is not goin to be a good stuff, see la" Have u driven the Savvy (it is what this topic about)? So do tell me after u tried it or bought it.

N another thing...if u know well about econ n marketing, u should know the selling is not only the depends on the product itself, it oso need timing, advertising, marketing strategy n etc.

So what? i mean, i dont care if savvy can go up to 170 dude! its good enough for a 1.2L car. im replying the guy above me about his statement that his stock kancil 660 go up to 140km/h. if 660cc can go up to 140, then he assume that 1.2L should go up to 260km/h? do you even understand his statement? and 3L car suppose to speed up til 500km/h?

Hi Proton Basher

Savvy is also good car overall, with good and build. What are you complaining?

The gov will not let go of tax eventhough P1 and P2 is gone? hello, are you okay? do u know why the tax even existed in the first place? If P1 and P2 does not exist, there is absolutely no reason the gov would impose 100-300% import duty on foreign cars. The NAP announced by the gov is rather pathetic due to the increase of interest rate. It seems that the gov will continue to support Protong to suck blood out of average Malaysians. That's not fine with me.

Bold step from Protong to introduce car differs than the market? I wonder if its bold or stupid. Every players in the auto-industry needs to meet market demands/requirements. That where they sell their cars, if's not like market demand A type and I build type B hoping it will sell. It's true that savvy is not bad or low quality as for matter infact it does not show savvy is a good car package for Malaysian either.

Agreed with the bold statement. The hatch is priced at 40k plus and ffs, dont come here and brag savvy's sportiness since you cant afford a better one.

hahah.. numerous issue on myvi? I dont remember anyone having serious problem with myvi. That depends on luck though. Care to explain the issue you can observe on myvi? Oh, some issue with brake and airbag? any proof? explain further or else I will deem you as raving moron.

We are talking about 2nd hand value here. Wtf with all these marketing strategy and advertising crap? you want to participate in an argument at least you DO SOME reading.

1.3 Waja????? You mod the engine yourself is it
I myself driving Waja 1.6M and my power window works perfectly fine. No sounds from dashboard also I like to drive with it, but not for long travel because I kinda feel cramp on my leg when drive it long,maybe I need to adjust the seat

Anyway, my mom is driving a honda city and I found it is a great car also, nice seat(higher) compared to waja. But I don't know why the dashboard got sound coming out since the 1st day she gets the car. Same thing happen after the 1st service. Going to repair it at Honda Service center later

I wanted to test the savy, but none of my friends own it...sigh....

1.3 waja ?
wow.... this is pure basher without facts....

then he say its time to change his 1.3 wira ?

blind basher ?

lite'en up guys. some bashers are not wrong either, there are senseless bashers who bash for no reason at all while there are bashers who actually bash with facts.

learn to view more openly, the bashers DO have their points if you're actually WILLING to see.


heh...... that's the thing they missed with Savvy. IMO it was a good car spoiled by bad timing, advertising and perhaps pricing (yeah, marketing strategy)

good to see the AMT versions are populating the roads. love them silver / green colored ones.


he DID post his facts, which is his bad experience with Proton cars. and about that 1.3 Waja..... can't you just wait for him to clarify? could be a typo.

he said he changed to Myvi cos he's fed up of Proton's power-window problem(s) and the attitude given when complain about dashboard noise. simple as that.

it's like that la. you use a certain make and if every time it gives problem, you'll eventually settle for something else.