to me they are all equally bad...

Well, a 1.5L Honda City saves more fuel than the 1.0L Kia Picanto ...

Umm I don't think I got my answer yet ... coz I heard Honda City IDSI really save fuel, so I thought Jazz IDSI would too. Ok, one more time ... which has better FC?

This post has been edited by FlamingFox: Sep 11 2007, 01:37 PM

kancil...

There isn't any difference from bashing Japanese makes due to loosing the sales/popularity of their beloved Savvy - both are equally as bad.

i agree with you... but no-no to MyVi godlike comments lar, imo.

Ya ya, good or bad comment is okay but not to perfect praise.

iDSi should win...
It can cover 26.2KMs/L which is around 7.3 cents/KM @ RM1.92/L petrol...
Savvy covers only 23.7 KMs/L which is around 8.1 cents/KM @ RM1.92/L petrol...

This post has been edited by jVIPERs2: Sep 11 2007, 02:31 PM

Hey not me. I'm waiting for scapegoat to test out the Persona and might even buy one after 2 years...just like i did for Myvi and Savvy. LOL.
Anyway, we all know who's the champion fanboy in Fast and Furious...the one that can't speak properly and goes pufrtt all over the web like gigi sudah tercabut...LOL.

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Added on September 11, 2007, 3:34 pmMarketing lah.....where can go 23.7Km/l or 26.2km/l under normal city driving. Those are very optimised figure...they probably drive like that guy in the Digi or Maxis ad...stop car engine roll downhill...start car engine go uphill....LOL.

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Added on September 11, 2007, 3:47 pmThanks dude. And i haven't even start an actual review of the Savvy coz i don't think it's fair to make comments on things like FC becoz car is still new and haven't burn in properly.

Still waiting for 1 tank of BHP to finish up after 1st service. But can feel engine is smoother after 1st service.

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Added on September 11, 2007, 3:49 pmThank you!!

This post has been edited by Matrix: Sep 11 2007, 03:52 PM

@Matrix
U have already done your 1st service? How much did they charge you?

There should be no charge for complain on defects, if they charge screw them kaw-kaw and threaten to write to media or say your father is the Star editor...LOL. But if it's not to loud or not too scary, you might wanna wait coz sending ur car to SC is a waste of time. I'll rather spend time doing something else.

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Added on September 11, 2007, 4:02 pmAbout RM87.xx. Changed engine oil (Mach5), sealant ring, oil filter and viper washing liquid.

When u go for 1st service, tell them u want to use semi-synth oil and see what kinda response they give u, probably a different story from mine.

Btw, Proton-I-don't-give-a-fcuk still haven't reply to my enquiries regarding whether how semi-synth oil can void engine warranty. I'll give them one week before i take further actions...cannot let them go so easily.

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Added on September 11, 2007, 4:18 pmPersonally, i think you're decent person going by the heaps of info you contribute at savoc (unlike that OTHER guy who does nothing but PRRFFFT), but your attitude is all wrong. This is not about being treated like a King. This is about CONSUMER POWER. Cars don't come cheap for Malaysian and it's this "tidak apa attitude" that makes Malaysia such a sucky unforward moving country...no point having 1st world infra when we've 3rd world mentality.

An indian friend (from India) once told me someone there sues the soap company becoz the soap didn't meet the specs in weight...and won.

I would also like to share some experience with you about being really treated like kings....i was in Denmark, Copenhagen (the city frankly looks lau-yah and nothing compared to the mega structures in KL). The flight was delayed that night and we were promptly whisked away by the flight steward to get some traveller packs, taxi coupons and send us to a nice hotel for another free night stay at ZERO cost (and i even used the hotel facility to surf web and send e-mails from my room which is chargeable).. The next morning, after a nice hefty buffet breakfast, we're whisked away in cabs using the coupons given to send us to the airport. And i wasn't even flying business class. If i'm stuck at KLIA due to a flight delay, i really doubt i can expect the same such service from MAS.

So do you want to be treat like kings or treat like dirt?? So you want to take it all because "biasa-lah, Proton bang!!" or do you want to make a change to be treated like a king?? Your call.

btw, remember to vote for the Opposition and make a change!!!


This post has been edited by Matrix: Sep 11 2007, 04:18 PM

The City travelled from the Honda Malaysia office Petaling Jaya, Selangor. The route took them up Cameron Highlands situated about 1,660 metres above sea level, and then to Bukit Merah, driving at an average speed of 80 km/h in a normal manner, ie having the air-conditioning switched on during the drive, and luggage and spare tyre on board. The drive back to Honda Malaysia took place after a night's rest. Meant to simulate conditions similar to a vacation trip with friends or family, each car had four occupants besides a boot full of items. Honda Malaysia also took it a step further by filling the many interior utility spaces and holders with water bottles and tit-bits for the occupants. All four team members were required to drive pre-determined legs of the event to better reflect the different driving styles of car owners.

While the Savvy travelled all the 11 states in Peninsular Malaysia and included a stint along the East-West Highway up north as well as the winding and mountainous East Coast Highway. The final stretch of 400 kms was from Kuantan to Segamat in Johor, before cutting across into the North-South Highway to return to Proton's head office complex in Shah Alam. It's not stated by Proton what the cruising speed was though we believe that it would have been reasonable and that the driver did not switch off the air-conditioner. Anyway, the entire drive was followed by an independent witness (motoring journalist Albakry Salehuddin) who was satisfied with the manner in which it was done.

A point to note:
The Savvy used was a manual while the City's an auto...

Not you, but there are some others...

Also forgot to mention, CITY is what...40K more expensive??

Let's see, that means you save 1cents per km with City over Savvy( 7cents/km to 8 cents/km)...say u travel 25,000km a year..that makes..25,000 x 1 cents=RM250/year. So, say you use the car for 10 years...that saves you a grand total of RM2500...in 10 YEARS.

If you put 40k in bank at 3% interest per annum, by the end of 10 years, you get RM52,190.

Err...which option do you think is more $$$ saving?

Not that i'm saying Honda City is bad...but comparing this too is just way out of league. Of course, if you're going to buy a car in almost same price range as Honda City ( say a Waja at 6xk, or a VIOS around the same price), then the FC saving of the City will plays a very important factor.(btw, i do like the City very much....in fact, much more than a VIOS or all the Proton Sedans).

Anyway, unless you're a frequent highway traveller, the savings is also much less...I don't see any real Savvy owners can even achieve close to those figures. So far my Savvy is around 14km/l...which i consider quite good for city driving already....hopefully it'll improve after a few more thousand km as the car is still new.

Have to agree with this

the hill you mentioned is Bukit Tunku..

Savvy's handling is very very keng but still can't beat MyVi in terms of power + quietness

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Added on September 11, 2007, 9:20 pmI think i know where the noise came from..

Have you checked your gear knob?? My frens car always have this irritating noise so whenever i drive his car with a chick inside i have to hold the gear to prevent the noise..

but now i have fixed it edi..add some super glue..walaa

This post has been edited by Notoriez: Sep 11 2007, 09:20 PM

I don't think it's the knob...sounds more like plastic or maybe windows?? It doesn't always happen though, i think at low gears more like likely, after car is smooth and at maybe > 70km/h, i don't hear it. I think it happens more often when i accelerate and change gear at low speed (gear 1 to 3).

Still i'll just check out the knob just in case....knob looks sturdy and solid though...

My friend's Savvy also have this same kind of problem...

His car is already near to 2 years old..but only managed to clock 305++ kilometres..

Every morning when i wanted to start the car, it took me around 2-3 times turning the key till the engine starts..I have off everything (a/c, radio)..and it also jerks @ 2nd gear if speed below 20km/h..

And just now when i parked the car b4 playing football, i noticed that the a/c fan didn't stop even though i have off everything...it took almost 5-7 minutes for the fan to switch off..any reason why this happen??

fyi, the car has undergone a major 'surgery' bcoz the engine jammed..my friend seldom uses his car, only drives it on weekend..and he never warm the engine every morning so the engine oil become so thick...Went for repair @ his friend w/shop to replace the cable plug, spark plug and cam..cost him around RM700 The cable plug itself cost around RM450

Then the gear knob is not the source of the problem..maybe you should find someone with ultra sensitive ears to find the source of the noise then

Maybe find a dog...anyone wants to borrow me his dog??

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Added on September 11, 2007, 9:54 pmYeah...heard loads of this jerking crap issue. Mostly due to TB dirty...if not must be one of the sensors...TDC, O2, and a few other sensors. I sure hope i won;t have to face it...

I believe u refer to the ignition coil. That's a common problem with Savvy....should cost around RM380. But i got 5 years warranty...

I think u should warm up ur engine at least 30 seconds every morning before u move the car. Also, leaving a car long while without using is bad...your friend should change the oil even before it's interval because it should be 3 months or 5000km interval (or 6 months or 10000km interval)....since the car is not used much, must change the oil even if the mileage interval is not reached.

My myvi haven't use for 3 days (over 2 very cold rainy days) and i have problem starting it on 3rd day.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Sep 11 2007, 09:54 PM

Walao eh..RM380 for an ignition coil?? Will it do any further damages to the engine if i don't change it?? There's some1 told me it's the starter problem..

btw wat is TB? TDC? O2? Sorry for the noobiness

Me and my fren normally warm up the car more than 30 seconds..usually we waited until the temp to 2 bar before moving..

Wat's the cause for the ignition coil to damage easily?? Is it becoz we start the engine w/out switching off the a/c + radio first or wat??

heard the fan thing is normal, will still spin after the engine has stopped, some cooling function i believe ...

correct me if i am wrong ...

This post has been edited by earl-ku: Sep 11 2007, 10:46 PM