Actually, i think it's stupid too. ...Proton always wanna follow European style...why change something that most people are familiar with for years? There's really NO REASON to change the signal from right to left. It's not like it's gonna save fuel or improve performance or have a better quality car or the power window will work longer. If it does all those, then i've no objections changing it from right to left or top or bottom. But it doesn't do anything other than being an annoyance.

It'll be ok if u r used to driving a mercz or volvo etc...but will people who used to drive such high-end European car buy a 40K cheap budget mini car???

Think harder ler, Ploton.

Savvy sales is ALREADY a problem before Viva.

Actually, it can still sell in it's own niche market, but unfortunately, Ploton has already lost the confidence and trust of most Malaysian. Nothing can save Ploton now short of a takeover or our $$$ (taxpayer money).

After 20 years baru change new vendor???

Anyway, power window is a must along with power side mirror. Savvy lite got power side mirror or not? This is neccesary as different drivers with different height using same car gotta adjust everytime.

btw, 2nd hand 05 Savvy around RM25K only....why so cheap ar?? Maybe i'll buy a 2nd hand Savvy instead...hhmmmm....

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Added on July 13, 2007, 11:16 amFor me, only the power window, hood insulator, alarm immobilizer and front fog lamp important...

Is that pricing accurate??

1000+2000+2000+200=RM5200!!!! If like that better buy full version....

This post has been edited by Matrix: Jul 13 2007, 11:17 AM

Hmm...test drive 2 Savvy MT STD version today.

Found a few things i dun like:
(1) Power steering freakishly heavy...heavier than my old Kia Sephia despite being a smaller car??? At least 2.5 times heavier than my Myvi. But at least it's better than no power steering like Viva 850/660.

(2) Clutch and gear stick so hard??? Is this normal??

The salesman explained to me it's the old version with 15" tyre and new version with 14" tyre has better power steering. I'm trying to arrange for a test drive with the new version.

Other things i found:
(1) Engine noise is acceptable, but not as queit as a Myvi.
(2) I don't feel it's dat powerful...Myvi 1.3 feels much more powerful and smoother.
(3) Handling is good, expected from the low profile design.
(4) Vibration level is low, better than 850/660 VIVA definitely.

btw, there's discount of RM3K for STD/HI-LINE version now, so STD version is only RM37K++...

right now, i'm looking for a 2nd car and is juggling between a 34K barebone almost naked Savvy, a VIVA 1.0 manual, a 2nd hand Kelisa or a 2nd hand Savvy.

What i can see i need for barebone Savvy are:
(1) Muffler (WTF!!! Muffler pun tadak!!!)....i wonder if they re-tune ECU for the naked version? Muffler affects performance right?
(2) Alarm - otherwise, naked Savvy will be car thieves hottest pick already.
(3) Immobilizer - can we implement third party ones??
(4) Reverse sensor - wife says it's compulsory. Cannot argue.
(5) Alloy rims will be much better than steel rims. Malaysia is potholes heaven.


How much will those things cost me if i install on my own?? If too expensive, than the RM37K discounted STD seems like a better option.
VIVA 1.0 manual is also RM37K...

A 2nd hand Savvy also seems like good deal as price quite low....only RM25k to RM27K for 05/06 model....so buying new Savvy also seems like money dissapearing very fast...

decisions....decisions...I spent whole day today test driving Savvys and 2nd hand Kelisas!!!

Yep, can feel the difference and frankly not very impressed with Savvy so far. Good handling and even performance is not that important for me as long as it's not like low cc auto car (VIVA 1.0 Auto simply no power, Kelisa 1.0 auto much, much more powerful, but then, Savvy didn't even dare to have auto..AMT don't count)...and so far the pick up isn't that impressive, i was expecting better.

High speed cruising not important also for me. All i need is a 2nd car for town driving, fuel efficient, reliable and cheap enuff. Furthermore, no point cruising highspeed on highway with Savvy since so small and can't fit in the rest of the family and stuff comfortably for a holiday, which my Myvi does nicely.
If it wasn't becoz of the promotion and price cut, i don't think i'll consider a Savvy at all (not to mentioned there's already 2 1.3cc Myvi in the family...getting another Myvi for my 2nd car is...weird!!! LOL).

And pleez ler, quit the bias rambling about P2 being sissy becoz ur savvy got hard cluth and gears!! Bias comments ain't gonna help. P1 salesman told me these are common complaints of Savvy that's why new version is suppose to fix it.
btw, Myvi 1.3 clutch and gears is not lembik as u claim at all, just nice. VIVA is lembik though. Have u even drive those cars??

So anyone know how much a muffler and alloy rims gonna cost me? I think that's the most expensive stuff left out in bare naked Savvy.

btw, anyone got problem with Savvy fusebox? Read in some forums users encountering wrong wiring problems and blown a couple of fuse box in older 05/06 batches.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Jul 15 2007, 07:48 AM

Yes, the power is adequate, but just not up to expectaction from all the hypes from Savvy fanboys....

To each his own, i think Myvi are more powerful than the Savvy anyday.

But that is not important in this case, I'm more interested in the cost of the parts that's left out in the naked Savvy.

Muffler, alarms, alloys rims and 3rd party immobilizer(if available)...will it set me back RM2K or more??

I think bare naked Savvy got steel rims...according to the datasheet provided by P1 salesman.

Steel rims ok or not? Will it dent easily compare to Alloy rims?

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Added on July 15, 2007, 12:34 pmYes, the LHS sucks. If it's cheap enuff though, i can overlook it. But that doesn't mean it doesn't suck. LOL.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Jul 15 2007, 12:34 PM

Yep, i drive manual mah. Myvi Auto of course lose to Savvy AMT/Manual. But i dare not touch AMT...3 years down the road and it kaputs...and nobody but Proton got the parts and knows how to fix it (hopefully, finger crossed)......and even if it's fixable...it might cost u a nuclear bomb....i'm sticking with manual.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Jul 16 2007, 09:07 AM

Yeh lor. I'm on a fact finding mission to make a car purchase decision, yet some fanboys seems all green eyes and wanna start a war when the negative points are highlighted...

Anyway, right now still haven't decide yet. Kepala pening already. Wife not very in favour of Savvy and i don't intend to spend too much on cars since money is better off put to work elsewhere.

Shopping for 2nd hand Kelisa also headache, have to go to used car dealers and check the cars...somemore scared the engine no good lah, flooded lah etc etc.

Now thinking of VIVA 660...maybe need to test drive this model. At least, it's a new car and not have to worry about things like repairs and buying a 2nd hand car lemon. Also heard some good fc reports on Viva 1.0 auto premium....can go 16.5km/l for an auto car city-driving!!! But there's still not enough statistic to make a conclusive result.

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Added on July 16, 2007, 9:13 amThanks for the tip that means the bare naked Savvy will ends up nearly 36K. Like that better off with Savvy STD version with discount at RM37K liao....which is comparable to a VIVA 1.0 SX price.

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Added on July 16, 2007, 9:27 amDunno ler.....at least get a different car mah...same car very boring liao...LOL. Already there's a MYvi in hometown...if i buy a 3rd Myvi, can start Myvi club liao...

Did u try Myvi 1.0 or Myvi 1.3?? Myvi 1.0 clutch is lembik like Viva, but Myvi 1.3 is nothing like that, just nice. Maybe because Myvi 1.0 and Viva use same 3 cyclinder engine explains it, while Myvi 1.3 is different engine.

Gen2 is a no-no. So many problems reported, even salesman ask me not to buy!! Low re-sale value, high fc and the cascrated CAM"PRO" engine without the Pro. No thanks.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Jul 16 2007, 09:27 AM

I also think the same initially, but if u install balik a few of those critical things, better off buy the STD version at RM37K.

No. Already asked P1 salesman the other day. With less accesories(especially NO POWER WINDOW), means less problem for Proton...

Yep. I've also considered 2nd hand Toyota SEG 96/97...very hard to find also. But i've seen old Toyota corolla last time, even after 7 years..damn powerful and comfortable. But usually old car will makan minyak rite?

Few question to Savvy owners:
(1) Do you follow the 10,000km maintenance schedule or do u do earlier? It seems like most if not all Renault engine cars recommended for 10,000km intervals....however, as some of u might know, in Bolehland we use imported cheap plak petrol while Petronas dig all the high-grade good stuff and sell it overseas. The P1 salesman even share with me story of a certain Benz model which use diesel but fails in our market as too much problem due to cheap dirty diesel that don't meet standards. It's more likely ur oil filter, engine and everything else will get dirty faster due to low grade petrol (regardless of which petrol station). So in that sense, can we trust the 10,000km interval recommended which is base on good petrol in the west...?

(2) The salesman also tell me it uses "normal" engine oil. So what is normal? Mineral or Semi-synth?? What engine oil does P1 gives for ur service?

btw, just to share some funny story:

The other day i was test driving a Savvy at one showroom...u know what, the gear knob is missing. So i ask salesman what happened....it seems like a lot of potential "customers" are actually petty thieves who took off small-small item from the car....so they simpan all the small removable items from the car.... ...Just what the heck does anyone want to steal a gear knob for?? Replacement for a joystick to play video games???

There's also a 3K discount for STD version...meaning RM37K for Manual version...but i think offer ends this month...next month will become permanent price...LOL.

Anyway, it's only 3K+ than bare naked 33K+Savvy. Still considerable especially if u want alloy rims, alarm, spoiler and power windows. The other stuff are quite cheap me thinks. At least if u buy STD u get warranty for those above items. If u passang ur own alarm, reverse sensor, power window blah-blah...later got problem, no warranty...worst if some other problem, then they said u modified ur car and screwed up their wiring...no warranty.....quite risky.


This post has been edited by Matrix: Jul 20 2007, 03:54 PM

Yeah...fugly spoiler...Urrghh...The stock spoiler is enuff and nice looking already.

Top range(highline) is still around RM42 to RM43K with the 3K discount.

Std range drops to 36/37K from 39/40K.

But the promotion ends this month...supposely lar...maybe next month that'll be the standard price for STD and Hi-Line.

I can see Proton quote "Due to overwhelming response to the Savvy Hi-line and STD last month, Proton is now making this price permanent to pass the benefits to all our loyal customers!! Plus you'll get vouchers to drink coffee at our Service Centres!!! ".....hee..hee.

No ler friend. Hi range is still 42/43K (already discounted price). Before discount is 45/46k. Sorry if i didn't state too clearly.

Anyway, if u bought Myvi 1.3 okay mah. If 1st car, the extra space will become handy. If i only buy one car, i won't consider Savvy at all coz just too small. For 2nd car can consider lor.

It's either i'm gonna book a Savvy or a Viva by end of this month....

This post has been edited by Matrix: Jul 25 2007, 04:17 PM

I think you'll get bash very soon from hypermount and azuma, our local proton fanboyz....


Anyway, I do believe the AMT is 5 speed...after all, it's just a ROBOT inside doing the clutching for ya. It's still very much a manual car. It's also written in the specs...try download their brochure.

And lastly, i think Proton made a mistake in their website....website also no QC wan....

Buy savvy now! Offer ends this month for 3k discount!

Anyway, i don't like the AMT...fake auto car...later got problems 3 years down the road...cry!!

One less oddball technology=one less potential problem. Remember, the AMT robot box is still french ...means expensive in the event it kong!!

I'm leaning more towards the Savvy now as i really dun like the Viva 3 cylinder engine....space is not an issue since 2nd car...only use it for going to work.

Hypermount: Auto cars are not for lazy drivers. What fun is there is changing gears with cluth in a traffic jam!!!
Auto cars are great, imo, if it isn't petrol sucking that is. If auto car can give same fc as manual, i think i'll take auto anyday, especially for city driving.

R u referring to my post?

I said "fake auto". Which is what it is.