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Fiona Chin
post Oct 1 2013, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(crazy25kid @ Sep 30 2013, 09:52 AM)
appreciate your input on the house buying...but still, your example is seriously ridiculous.
you say that when foreigner (us) come at first, we cannot buy HDB as we are not PR straight away
true...then how do you even expect one to have CPF for the initial payment or afford payment for installments using CPF?
most will be unable afford the initial 30% payment required...most of us are already having problems with initial payment for HDB and you come suggesting a 1.6m condo?
and the car...as all have mentioned, is an even more absurd example.
maybe your true intent is to help...but it kinda feels like you trying to show off
seriously your examples are just plain trolling pretty much like the over sensitive long eared animal.
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The property price is seriously ridiculous, not my example. Small private properties already cross the 1 mil mark in the current market. Larger HDB also closing to 700-800k to 1 mil if you go shopping around.

I mentioned in my first post regarding this, the cost given in the 1st post is more to single fresh graduates. There are also people in the 30s 40s with family who want to move here. And by that they most likely have some saving already for their initial down payment, want a similar lifestyle for their family here to justify the move.

Not all are "fortunate" to be eligible to buy a HDB, here are some example again,
1) Single PR, spouse not PR
2) New PRs couple but need wait for 3 years due to recent change
3) PRs with overseas properties, family related properties you might not want to sell

The 3 group above have CPF, but only can buy private properties.

I personally think real numbers are good reference to make your decision for the move. Properties and car are the real cost that you will one day need. Noted most people here are not revealing real figures, what they do, how much they earn. Human nature I don't blame them, even myself. Main purpose of this thread is for those who want to come to SG for work, if all fake figures, might as well move to the coffee shop.

Also another thing, numbers are relative. The 1.5k expenses posted seems humble to most, but its luxury for lower income group. I can think of cutting down by staying with dorm bunny, cooking at home, and riding a bicycle to work. So 1.5k showing off or not? When the only choice is go private, that is the numbers you will be paying.
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post Oct 1 2013, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ Sep 30 2013, 11:32 PM)
Any type of permit or pass needs to be renewed. PRs have no renewal requirement (REP Reentry Permit is a related but separate matter). And more and more, you will see the permit and pass holders bearing the brunt of any govt pandering to the misguided sentiments of their citizens. As a PR, you are relatively more shielded from such short sighted measures.
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Sep 30 2013, 11:56 PM)
To avoid things like this?

http://www.onenewspage.com/n/Asia-Pacific/...t-Singapore.htm

"When Filipino Edwin Macaraig tried switching jobs this year, he did not expect his application for a new Employment Pass (EP) to be rejected by Singapore's Ministry of Manpower (MOM) - twice."

And to be (officially, at least) considered for any job positions first before any foreigner?

http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/...sionals-2013092
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Don't know when they will start indirectly targeting PR by refusing renewal of REP.
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post Oct 1 2013, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ Oct 1 2013, 12:57 PM)
I personally think real numbers are good reference to make your decision for the move.

I think the main problem here is that you prefaced your post with "A guide for young couples etc etc," without qualifying it - hence it's was supposed to apply for many/most/the average young couple.
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post Oct 1 2013, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ Oct 1 2013, 12:57 PM)
The property price is seriously ridiculous, not my example.  Small private properties already cross the 1 mil mark in the current market. Larger HDB also closing to 700-800k to 1 mil if you go shopping around.

I mentioned in my first post regarding this, the cost given in the 1st post is more to single fresh graduates. There are also people in the 30s 40s with family who want to move here. And by that they most likely have some saving already for their initial down payment, want a similar lifestyle for their family here to justify the move.

Not all are "fortunate" to be eligible to buy a HDB, here are some example again,
1) Single PR, spouse not PR
2) New PRs couple but need wait for 3 years due to recent change
3) PRs with overseas properties, family related properties you might not want to sell

The 3 group above have CPF, but only can buy private properties.

I personally think real numbers are good reference to make your decision for the move. Properties and car are the real cost that you will one day need. Noted most people here are not revealing real figures, what they do, how much they earn. Human nature I don't blame them, even myself. Main purpose of this thread is for those who want to come to SG for work, if all fake figures, might as well move to the coffee shop.

Also another thing, numbers are relative. The 1.5k expenses posted seems humble to most, but its luxury for lower income group. I can think of cutting down by staying with dorm bunny, cooking at home, and riding a bicycle to work. So 1.5k showing off or not? When the only choice is go private, that is the numbers you will be paying.
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i agree with property price it will easily go over 1mil for private but to go all the way to 1.6...like u said is over
even for people in their 30s and 40s who have savings...can u imagine all your savings being divided by 2.5 (since a lot of ppl here are saying u are 2nd gen so i dun think u have this experience where your life savings get divided 2.5)
for a normal 1mil private property, with abt 30% for initial payment would be 300k...if u were to bring your savings in RM over sweat.gif sweat.gif
with that amt of money in their savings...ppl may be more reclined to stay in the comfort zone in my opinion.

well, with your group of PR, yes, they will be forcedreclined to go for private unless they wait (group 1 and 2) or do not declare (group 3) laugh.gif laugh.gif
currently stuck in group 2 but no money for private either. sad.gif sad.gif

the main point for flak u get is as wat rexona said...
numbers sure make a lot more sense when deciding instead of plucking from the air, but it would be better if the numbers were, say in the more realistic range instead of the higher end (car example...LOL).
and with the numbers being thrown around here abt their pay and spending...i would say that one is complete idiot if u fully trust those trolls and a**es
i certainly do not think giving out ridiculous numbers to cover up is human nature either...especially in a place where some are looking for guidance and information

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post Oct 1 2013, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(JohnJon82 @ Oct 1 2013, 01:04 PM)
Don't know when they will start indirectly targeting PR by refusing renewal of REP.
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nah. They will have more than a handful with ft on work pass to tweak first.
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post Oct 1 2013, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(crazy25kid @ Oct 1 2013, 01:24 PM)
the main point for flak u get is as wat rexona said...
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rexona or deodorant? hmm.gif
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post Oct 2 2013, 12:37 AM

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any one stay in jb and travel daily to sg to work?
Intend to buy house jb and work in sg.
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post Oct 2 2013, 01:06 AM

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how do fresh grads get jobs in sg mnc? i see most jobs are only for pr and sg residents.

btw, if have degree, do i apply for accounts exec or assistant?

This post has been edited by quinieleong: Oct 2 2013, 01:14 AM
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post Oct 2 2013, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(smon80 @ Oct 2 2013, 12:37 AM)
any one stay in jb and travel daily to sg to work?
Intend to buy house jb and work in sg.

Summoning Johor Kingdom royalty yeahs4.1 Lester1987 reign226 chanti-sama
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post Oct 2 2013, 08:34 AM

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QUOTE(quinieleong @ Oct 2 2013, 01:06 AM)
how do fresh grads get jobs in sg mnc? i see most jobs are only for pr and sg residents.

btw, if have degree, do i apply for accounts exec or assistant?
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It depend on ur luck. Most of the mnc they only want to hire experience candidate. Thats why u need to hv more related experience. Im currently working in germany mnc engineering company. I got this job is because I hv japanese mnc experience. So gain some experience 1st
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post Oct 2 2013, 10:24 AM

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Wanna check with all sifus here..do u guys know any IT security company famous in singapore ? I m a fresh grad looking for a IT security job in singapore..
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post Oct 2 2013, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(wadelucy1987 @ Oct 2 2013, 10:24 AM)
Wanna check with all sifus here..do u guys know any IT security company famous in singapore ? I m a fresh grad looking for a IT security job in singapore..
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Does the company famous or not will affect you in singapore? hmm.gif
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post Oct 2 2013, 11:17 AM

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Hey guys, i'm currently getting SGD 2800 as a project engineer in US MNC. Am i underpaid? I was a fresh grad before starting the job.
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post Oct 2 2013, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(imlakia @ Oct 2 2013, 11:17 AM)
Hey guys, i'm currently getting SGD 2800 as a project engineer in US MNC. Am i underpaid? I was a fresh grad before starting the job.
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That's a good pay job? at least for me it is.. =)

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post Oct 2 2013, 11:21 AM

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Hmm..sorry, what i means is big company doing IT security stuff.. Sorry for the grammer..
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post Oct 2 2013, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(Metatron90 @ Oct 2 2013, 11:21 AM)
That's a good pay job? at least for me it is.. =)
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is this the standard pay for fresh grad mechanical engineer? for me i think the starting pay for engineers shud be at 3k above.
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post Oct 2 2013, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(samual8833 @ Oct 2 2013, 08:34 AM)
It depend on ur luck. Most of the mnc they only want to hire experience candidate. Thats why u need to hv more related experience.  Im currently working in germany mnc engineering company. I got this job is because I hv japanese mnc experience.  So gain some experience 1st
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QUOTE(imlakia @ Oct 2 2013, 11:25 AM)
is this the standard pay for fresh grad mechanical engineer? for me i think the starting pay for engineers shud be at 3k above.
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post Oct 2 2013, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(samual8833 @ Oct 2 2013, 08:34 AM)
It depend on ur luck. Most of the mnc they only want to hire experience candidate. Thats why u need to hv more related experience.  Im currently working in germany mnc engineering company. I got this job is because I hv japanese mnc experience.  So gain some experience 1st
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Gain experience in MY first? They would accept non PR?
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post Oct 2 2013, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(JohnJon82 @ Oct 2 2013, 11:50 AM)
Stand in one row doing chain smoking after lunch?
jitshiong This one is our ME in charge here.
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i'm kuli only....
SGD 2.8k for freshie is ok la.around there
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post Oct 2 2013, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(wadelucy1987 @ Oct 2 2013, 11:21 AM)
Hmm..sorry, what i means is big company doing IT security stuff.. Sorry for the grammer..
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what you want is to get a job in MNC doing IT security? but i still dont get it why must get yourself into a MNC when you cant even secure a job in SG?
if in the end, there is no big company doing IT security stuff, then you will not come to SG? flex.gif

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