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 V10 - Property Prices (Up, Down or .....), and the debate goes on and on and on ...

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Hello_kitty 89
post Mar 22 2013, 09:27 PM

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Cool down bro
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post Mar 22 2013, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 22 2013, 02:10 PM)
becos much of our cheap loans have been used on "good life", cars and prop speculation. even cows, condos and mercs!

do you see many real product and value creating projects like factories, farms and fisheries with new billions invested?

the below does seem right about mysians, incl this thread, just see how many posts made everyday for "buy"!

From a long-term growth perspective, they distort incentives to work, save and invest in value-creating activities in favor of rentier wealth or income from property “investments” (or speculation).
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Exactly!

Save > capital formation > invest in productive businesses > wealth creation, and this is called capitalism

Consume with borrowed money but not real income growth > bubble economy > mathematically inevitable collapse



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post Mar 22 2013, 10:16 PM

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I really dont understand why some people praying for others to die, crash and burn etc. Come on la guys. If the whole world thinks like this, i rather not be born...
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post Mar 22 2013, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Mar 22 2013, 01:25 AM)
Ya agree, you understand the fundamental, pessimistic guy. Keep on yr research, pls come to Puchong more, dun forget to check the Qaseh sale, big discount for you by I&P, only for you.
P/s : I hv waiting for mths to get yr clarification, if you choose to ignore it, I rest my case and I forgive you.

My advice to you, a single trip to a place won't make you an expert, I stay in Puchong for 15 yrs and I dare not to claim to know Puchong well, and you talk like an expert, you are Good. notworthy.gif
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Aiya, the only argument you have left is "pessimistic guy". rclxms.gif rclxms.gif Show us some substance, why you ignore the depressed secondary market? Why you never mentioned the official falling property prices? Why you don't bother to look at the huge volume of empty units listed for sale?

It is because you are a real estate agent who could not tell the truth, no?

Qaseh again? Go talk to I&P, and see how many units in the secondary markets waiting for the next greater fool. You should go suck up those empty units and make a handsome profit, walk the talk, will you?
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post Mar 22 2013, 11:35 PM

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Perhaps Governor Zeti has this chart too.

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post Mar 22 2013, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(agentdiary @ Mar 22 2013, 11:35 PM)
Perhaps Governor Zeti has this chart too.

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Malaysia always boleh one... rclxms.gif even for mortgage debt. I feel sorry for Malaysian.
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post Mar 23 2013, 12:00 AM

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haha...greater fool theory...i have been waiting for years to see if this theory is true.... oh well...still waiting...

QUOTE(debtismoney @ Mar 22 2013, 10:27 PM)
Aiya, the only argument you have left is "pessimistic guy".  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif Show us some substance, why you ignore the depressed secondary market? Why you never mentioned the official falling property prices? Why you don't bother to look at the huge volume of empty units listed for sale?

It is because you are a real estate agent who could not tell the truth, no?

Qaseh again? Go talk to I&P, and see how many units in the secondary markets waiting for the next greater fool. You should go suck up those empty units and make a handsome profit, walk the talk, will you?
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post Mar 23 2013, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(agentdiary @ Mar 22 2013, 11:35 PM)
Perhaps Governor Zeti has this chart too.

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Gov are damn afraid once the stop build, the GDP will shrump sharply, so need to build more, until we have highest office space..debt also damn high.
Another 100 storey on the way. Lol

The supply of office space in the Klang Valley has surpassed 100 million sq ft, making it the largest stock among the neighbouring South-East Asian metropolitan centres, according to property consultants at Jones Lang Wootton (JLW

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Hello_kitty 89
post Mar 23 2013, 12:09 AM

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The graph showing Japan 1988? What's mean? When the graft was plotted?
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post Mar 23 2013, 12:12 AM

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this is new chart. It use 1988 as it was the peak of Japan assets bubble. You seem not knowing much about it.

QUOTE(Hello_kitty 89 @ Mar 23 2013, 12:09 AM)
The graph showing Japan 1988? What's mean? When the graft was plotted?
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QUOTE(whitefong @ Mar 22 2013, 09:06 PM)
yeryer!!!!faster go buy and hope you bankcrupt as soon as possible, wish to see your daughter become prostitute, your son become slavery one day, you beg on corner of the street for money with half naked, keep this few word in your mind forever, remember and it will become reality FOR YOU flipper,

who wanna reply me said immature comment? then u will kena as well, if you are immoral at the beginning dont cry when ppl rob and kill you, people like you i will find you one day
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Wow! This's best comment of the year tongue.gif
What make u full of hate, no wonder crime rate keep increasing since last few years, people are indignant and feel hopeless, main reason of the gap between rich and poor are too big
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QUOTE(agentdiary @ Mar 22 2013, 11:35 PM)
Perhaps Governor Zeti has this chart too.

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This chart is wrong.

Public debt-to-GDP ratio is only at 53% in Malaysia.
Household debt-to-GDP ratio is only around 65%.

Although I'm not in up up up camp, I don't think I agree with this.
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Interesting Read:

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Household debt climbing into the danger zone. 80% is red zone.
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post Mar 23 2013, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(joeblows @ Mar 23 2013, 12:36 AM)
Interesting Read:

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Household debt climbing into the danger zone. 80% is red zone.
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Woaha, more interesting news are coming~
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if look carefully, this is really a big big serious problem.

our current property price is hugely in jeopardy once the credit expansion is slowed (I am not even dare to think if it turns negative). Because the boom we enjoy thus far is too much dependent on the massive credit growth especially 2009-2010.

Personally been monitor it since the announce of stimulus Package 1 by Abdullah. There is no improvement at all I should say, on curbing the assets price escalation (ironically, that's the goal) and the pop is very real. What the policy makers done so far like LTR limit or RPGT is kacang putih. When I read the BNM report days ago, saying the sharp property price hike recent years was caused by macro economics factors and stresses not by monetary policy. That's exactly why I feel quite hopeless because they are in denial modE still!!

Honestly, BNM is not only in dilemma (betting on credit growth to dodge financial aftermath from US crisis) but also has little choice left apart from praying everything is all right in E.U, US and China as our debts is high relatively to our smaller per capita GDP.

** Why credit expansion slow is deadly to property?
Because we need credit (in ever bigger dose) to continue the asset appreciation to carry on the boom. Imagine when the supply (the very bulk in fact) is put into the market in 2013 - 2015 amid of credit slow? It simply translates to lesser able buyer in the market which surely create supply glut that find too few buyers. Any antidote? Yes, unless we can find substitute fast enough like large foreigner buyers to fill the gap, else, what else we can think off? I don't know honestly. Be ready and prepared. Those with millions of liquid assets will be always safe **



QUOTE(Nikmon @ Mar 23 2013, 12:06 AM)
Gov are damn afraid once the stop build, the GDP will shrump sharply,  so need to build more, until we have highest office space..debt also damn high.
Another 100 storey on the way. Lol

The supply of office space in the Klang Valley has surpassed 100 million sq ft, making it the largest stock among the neighbouring South-East Asian metropolitan centres, according to property consultants at Jones Lang Wootton (JLW
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post Mar 23 2013, 12:47 AM

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obviously you're not familiar.

here is the chart of all debts combine: coprporate, public and household. pls google first and understand the terms before barking!

QUOTE(joeblows @ Mar 23 2013, 12:33 AM)
This chart is wrong.

Public debt-to-GDP ratio is only at 53% in Malaysia.
Household debt-to-GDP ratio is only around 65%.

Although I'm not in up up up camp, I don't think I agree with this.
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post Mar 23 2013, 01:21 AM

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QUOTE(agentdiary @ Mar 22 2013, 11:35 PM)
Perhaps Governor Zeti has this chart too.

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at 250% total debt/gdp, boland not far behind most of the world's 10 largest economies and euro-crisis ones. but gdp/capita so low compared to them, can't be in good shape.
http://www.gfmag.com/tools/global-database...l#axzz2OI0xKhDC

central banks probably do what they best - suck it up to the ruling gomen and not raise too many alarm bells. when it pops like in greece, ireland and spain, just let the politicans deal with it.
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post Mar 23 2013, 09:15 AM

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Let's just hope that if the bubble pops, the govt doesn't do a Cyprus plan A!!! Heheh...
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post Mar 23 2013, 09:34 AM

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the largest part of the debts is from corporate sector which is very prone/sensitive to economy.

it is always a gray area and blur line between private funding (major 'privatized' public works like LCCT2, MRT, Iskandar, whatever corridors....) vs. normal public funding.

chart below is almost 3 years old, and the figure for Malaysia has surely making another new milestone. Cannot resist to say it again here, Malaysia betul betul boleh!

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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Mar 23 2013, 01:25 AM)
Wow! This's best comment of the year tongue.gif
What make u full of hate, no wonder crime rate keep increasing since last few years, people are indignant and feel hopeless, main reason of the gap between rich and poor are too big
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wow again!

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