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Frequently Asked Question on what kind of bikes to get:

1) Aluminum bike - 10 speed Tiagra (maybe mixed Tiagra - Sora), priced around RM3k up- this would be the absolute lowest point i would say to start from... any lower and you will land outside of 10speed equipment and any upgrades will certainly be more than the difference you saved not buying this bike.. shimano launched tiagra with 10speed beginning of this year making this a considerable choice... also, this grade of bike will have a more common grade of cockpit (handlebar, stem, seat post, saddle) and cheaper wheels

2) Aluminum bike - 10 speed 105 (maybe mixed 105 - Tiagra), priced around RM3.8k up- most likely the same frame above with a different paint livery, this would be an entry level into shimano's definition of competition components... tiagra would be what they called the top tier among the enthusiast group.. although both 10 speed... but materials and feel... tiagra has a shift indicator while the 105 does not hence giving you a pro feel (what the bike shop will tell you)...mostly.. tiagra has a bit more plasticky bits than 105... some slightly more expensive models might even start offering slightly better wheels like mavic aksiums along with better slightly better graded cockpit...

- i would not try and go past 105 on a aluminum bike... the best brands like specialized or bmc will be selling an aluminum bike equipped with 105 for a little over RM5k... going 1 notch up into ultegra will lead you to start looking into higher end bikes as those bikes will surely creep past RM6k and most likely a mismatch between frame and component grades... you will be practically trying to pair a set of RAYS CE28N onto a Perodua Myvi if you get what i mean in car terms...

3) Carbon bike - 10 speed 105 (possibly not full 105), priced around RM7k up- this would be a foray into performance bicycles... although a carbon frame... but this are not the best carbon has to offer for 2 reasons... carbon cloth grade (less modulus, less weave, lower grade binding agents) and the man power / time needed (less complex layup schedules) to layup the carbon layers into producing a frame... basically a mass produced frame with the lowest production cost possible... not all that bad... it should still be on par if not better with the best of the aluminum frames in terms of stiffness.. basically, component should be similar or slightly better than the aluminum 105 bike depending on the price you pay...

- here i would name one which shocked me quite a bit recently... saw this Look 566...this http://www.lookcycle.com/en/int/route/velo...-bike-2013.html , but i guess a previous year model...... carbon frame with Mavic Aksium wheels... not a complete 105 with some downgraded cranks and calipers... a carbon frame with comfort geometry retailing for RM7.1k if my memory serves me right...

- price is slightly high for some people... but if you look at it...maybe under 30% more if you are looking at a Apex or 105 equipped Specialize Allez

4) free for all - death - bankruptcy - you name it...
- step into this and there will be no return...

Beside on the modern roadbike, there's also classic roadbike that worth to consider, if you're classic roadbike lover.

at best, this is considered a classic remake...


with columbus tubing at least... if there is any chance that anyone still makes a bike with reynolds 531 tubing, even better...

it has to be small round tubes and lugged in order to qualify as classic...



"i guess that is the definition." by YB Butthead.


Credit: YB　Butthead


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1st to arrive

i was jus jokin about the 888 dude... no need to take it so seriously

This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 31 2013, 09:50 AM

Sofa for 3rd post.

i can sense, 2013 is going to be a great year!

your spidey sense?

elder sister schleck getting a one year ban and missing 2013 tour...

Schleck gets one-year sanction over Xipamide test

2013 is not going to be a great year for him at least....

so, let's plan wat we gonna do this year???

Objective

No.1) Get more chicks into this thread
No.2) Get morex2 chicks into this thread
No.3) Get morex3 chicks into this thread

Our 3C objective for 2013.. Chicks, Chicks and more Chicks...

and dun play semantics with me... by chicks... i dun mean this




This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 31 2013, 09:57 AM

reporting in

who is dare to take your 2 cents as joke? we see it very seriously... haha...

Ultra-man sense....

accurate 1 bo?

i dun take myself seriously... at least...

2013 ish gonna EPIC

ultraman, which one? got so many brothers and sisters


i on the other hand like mask rider... but i don't think he got any sense... fashion included...name even worse, baja hitam (fertilizer meh)


This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 31 2013, 10:03 AM

vin_ann... doraemon review...

Ride Report: Giant Propel Advanced SL

wanna challenge it???


OMG... i jus wet my pants looking at that rear end...

make up your mind la!

Lance Armstrong exclusive interview

another exclusive armstrong interview... why would they call it exclusive when oprah's interview was already exclusive???

exclusivity is invalid




game of beating around the bush... we get it... "it's not about the Dope, it's about yourself"...



i believe a physical death sentence is the only way to solve this problem




now "it's not about the bike, it's about everyone not competing clean"...

i am fickle minded... wat to do...

it's a bike that i would never buy in my life.... except

i kena toto
i kena 4D
i start saving starting from this second
i saving since small like our 1st Lady Rosmah

Sigh... poor still poor n worst getting poorer...

Rich get richer...

if you sacrifice going to ass watching i meant RPM class... you might reach there faster...

and it has the doraemon blue... how can you not be tempted???

how much is the RPM class?

it can't be RM2.50 per class rite... the membership to the gym would have at least cost close to RM1xx per month...

+ petrol
+ parking
+ time you lost making side income
+ time and chance you lost to take a good rest
+ additional money you need to spend taking supplements or protein shake at the gym bar
+ the emotional damage cause by thinking why you can never own that ass that you are staring the whole RPM session
+ psychiatrist fees which is not cheap, if you fall into depression over-thinking about that ass you longed for so long and yet you could not have it...

so... it's not cheap in short...

This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 31 2013, 10:45 AM

bloody hell...

it's a big un-escapable loop you see...

you pay to get in which in theory is the smallest of damages, and the asses in the RPM classes will bind you emotionally to the RPM class so much that you won't be able to leave it like it is a drug addiction and even if they increase price, you keep on returning and returning...so you get sucked deeper and deeper into the belly of the beast...

like vin_ann... now aiming to complete 32 classes so he can stare at those asses straight for 3 hours in a special class that needs qualification to get in... he is getting suckered into it...

what is the worst thing that can happen if i buy a doraemon??? buy another one???

just quit it and the extra money can be spent on funding upgrades or a new bike. no more envious stare at others' bikes or complaining of insufficient fund... no need to challenge others anymore... no more pressure...

just a friendly community service reminder

salesman of the year 2012 strikes again...

oh...

oh my god. You have shoot every items right for 1st 2 items... haha...

- what side income can do? you got kang tao?
- its just 45 mins, and i sleep by 10:30pm.
- im already taking supplement and protein for better endurance in ultra running and cycling...
- eh, fyi, i already have a nice ass that each every gay pipu want to get! wahaha...
- when fall into depression, running / cycling can help me to climb out from depression... so no spending on psychiatrist
now i'm regret on what i did...

its just part n parcel of my life...

now im stopped at 18th class. im was like awake from nightmare... no point chasing 32 sessions just to be in the 3 hours ass staring class... i better go running / cycling for 3 hours to get much better satisfaction !

other people are dam bloody free, they have completed 32 sessions and now they going for another 32 sessions!

btw, likes ur 8888 suggestion! each time have notification, can see 8888 HUAT ah!

again, bloody hell.... 3 hours on a stationary bike! that's mental!

3 hours surrounded by chicks if you lucky and with strong disco music to pace !

btw, dont you think mental is very important part in any sport?

3 hours on stationary bikes and 3 hours on the road are not the same kind of mental

he is talking about chick staring mentality lar... not your mental toughness...

chick staring / bird watching is now considered a sport, OK... i envision one day that it will be an olympic sport...

This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 31 2013, 11:52 AM

i got "kang tao" i would have spend my time earning side income rather than c0cking here rite... jual buntut consider kang tao or not???

i didn't mean your gay ass... i mean tapping the ass that you are staring at during RPM class...

that is not called a healing process, it's called a diversion / avoidance tactic...put your mind on something else... like you get hurt by the break-up with your GF... you heal by going on one night stands every night...or what they call a "night-night stand healing process"

dafuq is that kinda training? staring at asses for 3 hours. training for friendzone ah?

getting mentally prepared to get friendzoned...

speaking bout classics .. any idea/info about amelio bianchi bikes ? It's supposedly a columbus SLX and kitted out entirely with Dura Ace 7400. Backside itchy to try a classic/steel frame bike

it's a bianchi i think.... maybe an earlier variation of the name...



this is not a steel frame but, a damn famous one ridden by il pirata...most famous during the marco pantani era, an alloy custom hand built Reparto Corse...

hey hey yoyo ush ush ahhh....

careful of lorry ya ....lalalala

stop having sex with your bike before you get caught lar...

i am always careful of Lori...



Deep V, wow

(was talking about velocity Deep V rims)....

Lori Loughlin... damn sexy even though no longer young... used to imagine things with her during the days of full house... (did i just typed my mind?) bwahahhahaha

This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 31 2013, 01:31 PM

u can park a hummer there. but yes i agree, WOW

are you talking bout the rims or the deep v?

for someone who is 48 years old... GODDAMMIT!!!


20 years ago... keanu would have gone...


This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 31 2013, 01:36 PM

that's what I thought as well but there's a cinelli logo at the bottom of the frame and the forks has AB on it

that's complicated....

cinelli and both bianchi was around way before you and i were born, 1885 for bianchi in fact...very hard to tell if it is related or if this is totally another brand...

This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 31 2013, 02:06 PM

wo ai ni babeh be beh,,,,,

What's the best current bike that has a traditional looking frame? By traditional or classic I mean the shape of the frame is in a classic form, non bulky and non weirdo shaping

I found supersix Evo to be perfect fit but it's damn expensive! Cinelli perhaps? I tried looking for Storck Scenario c1.1 but it's not available anymore in the market.

Any other brands?

none from my perspective, because everything is about asymetric and stiff and that is only achievable by overbuilding frames...

cannondale downtube is massive. don't trust the pics

yeah... anything that claims a stiff BB is gonna have a huge ass downtube because that is the only way to make a bike stiff and torsionally rigid...

logically... what is scientifically good for performance might not be artistically beautiful...

This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 31 2013, 04:37 PM

Yeah, it's like weight lifter needs thunder thighs!
... like sexy chicks must have well developed butt, ..no?

This post has been edited by Mac Wai: Jan 31 2013, 07:08 PM

This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 31 2013, 08:09 PM

Or is it "fat bottomed girls makes the cycling world go round"?- Queen.

proportional is more the word...

Today had a near crash experience, being squeezed out of road at a round-about by an oblivious driver. A silly mistake from a noob like me, next time, must give way to the Tai Kor busy bird watching at DPC. He was enjoying himself too much to notice my handle bar scraped his rear fender. So the lesson learned..for people out there.
1) never expect them to pay attention to a cyclist over some chicks.
2) Chicks plus x-factor, can be harmful to a cyclist or just about anything, if you happens to be at a wrong place at a wrong time.

any physical object is not good for cyclist... whether it is it hitting you or you hitting it because of another object hitting you...

eh..El Professory, you speak in cryptic mesgs..again!

lucky to make it out alive dude, I tend to steer clear of roundabouts. Otherwise (if the car is on my right) I will tilt the bike left and smash the car with my right hand. I would have died if I didnt do that then.

grade 7+ chick in a club, I dont mind lo ...important bit is that she is not soliciting


If not so he wouldnt be THE ONE (on the road la)


Tai lo Ah Head koh who is the cheapest distributor for American Classic rims ? and where can I get 700CX25 tyres in the klang valley cheaply again without being violated.

Bang Tofu, no pain
Tofu bang you, also no pain.

So, don't get banged or bang into or anything other than a piece or a truck load of tofu.

Simple as that.

cycling glasses with power, cheap cheap also need how much ah?

cheap fix is to buy safety glasses and use silicone adhesive (around the edges of the pres lens) to bond your prescription lens to it. There was a seller who sold goggles where you can fit your prescription lens to or goggles that wrap around your glasses (...looks uncomfortable to me)


MAL distro for American Classic wheels :

Huan Schen SDN. BDH.
No. 12, Jalan TIAJ 2/5,
Taman Industri Alam Jaya, Bukit Cherakah,
42300 Selangor
PHONE+603 6038 6788
FAX +603 6038 9788


I am still looking for cheaper (doesnt mean worst) tyres (700cX25) within the Klang Valley.

Currently I am nominating a few shops in Batu caves as my LBS (even though they are further away) since the others are not interested in my business around Melawati, Gombak, (especially) Sri Rampai , Setiawangsa. But I am not not discounting the shops near Jalan Ampang.

This post has been edited by lot101: Feb 3 2013, 03:35 PM

I kinda get the picture of it now..

Why oh why ah Butthead koh /ignore lot101

apa mau saya reply...

hard to type on phone la... wait till i get back on a computer...

hate touch screen and auto correction wants to screw up everything i type

rodalink has some schwalbe, can't remember if it is lugano or durano... available in 700 x 25 for under 80 bucks i think..

else, like they say... go with contis...

wats with the american classic wheels? i've called them and mail them before in the past... no answer calls and never reply mails...

is it because you harassed them too many times without buying anything?

hitting... as in physically hurting whacking, slamming the bejesus out of you, physically torturing,


i, on the other hand choose to deploy emergency air bags... which means to find some 36DDs to land on

oh! you meant this post... sorry la i overlooked... on the verge of getting specs adi... anyway, you answered yourself...

what you looking to get??? i liked the sprint wheels... light and still having high spoke count... i think it costed RM1.5k years back.. not sure if they still have it now...

Finished reading The Secret Race book. It's a completely different feeling now that I finally know the true face of Armstrong and his personality. It's totally different from what I have always imagined what a person he is by reading his own book, 'It's not about the bike'.

So I was browsing through Tyler's video on 60 Minutes show and stumble upon the Lance and Paul Kimmage clips, and boy he was truly as a person that I read in Tyler's book. He's an effing doper and a bully..he's screwed now, and damned forever.

in a consensual non sexual way

Well I usually ask nicely stating my intent clearly, whether I am browsing, looking to buy now or looking to buy in the future. I dont see any reason for some of them to be rude in anyway, as if I robbed him of his precious time.

The refusal of service statement I cannot take, there is no excuse for it. Since you have opened a shop you should perform as such. I get so fed up with all this nonsense, plus its an offence to refuse service if you are a going concern here in Malaysia.

Yeah most champions or champion wannabe are in your face plus ppl forget he is a red neck Texan ,by nature he is as such

If you going into the subject of doping, who do you think in his period as champion is going to raise their hand and say 'I didnt dope or considered doping, I am and have been clean during that period'

Veer off topic......comparatively Lee Chong Wei does not have the stature to be a champion. I watched the games he lost to Lin Dan and have seen him drop his racquet hand on more then a few shots easy shots.

I rather watch some 2nd tier player giving his best on every shot then that guy.

I love MY COUNTRY, but we have no game because of this.

i guess it is the mentality of winning at all costs... would anyone say that Ayrton Senna isn't a blardy arsehole on the track based on his 1990 Japanese clash with prost??? would anyone say Michael Schumacher isn't ruthless on the track driving people off it and stuff??? yes, both off track they are great philanthropist and humanitarian... but they have the win at all costs mentality that always tarnishes their career..

in other more interesting twist.. would say Eddy raced clean in his career??? he did got caught doping in the giro and if i am not wrong 3 times over his career but was let off for 1 reason (1 of it was that he was framed) or another... and i also pointed that he was the one who introduced Lance to Ferrari and also he was consultant for Phonak during the 2006 Landis disqualification when his son Axel was the super domestique for Landis... it's just not enough proof can be found on him and he already has his legend status cast in stone by the time anyone wants to poke a finger on him...

so, in some way... you can pity Lance for having to put up guard on things that might threaten him and his career and i bet you it's no easy task to dodge and deny this allegations when everyone is envious and against his success... he did put on a fantastic show for us or those who did watch it... whether he did or did not did not do what he did, i guess i or some of us can at least thank him for the 7 years of entertainment...

and in a fair manner, during those years... it is very evidently that someone else is not racing clean as well... so it doesn't tell that Lance took the magic potion and did nothing to guarantee his performance... he trained as hard if not harder than some of the other guys who raced clean or dirty..

would other have stayed clean with the knowledge on how to dodge doping controls and organize a systematic doping system like Lance did??? i doubt it...it's the same thing as having an extramarital affair after you get married... 9 out of 10 men thinks of doing it, but it doesn't mean they have the guts to do it... the one who dares tempt his fate and gets success get envious looks from the other 9...

the Paul Kimmage clip is just an example of how someone got too close for his liking and got the full blown force of his defensive nature... whether Kimmage deserves what he took from the ATOC press conference is totally a question for another day...

so, trust none of this books including the ones from Lance... just read it as entertainment or a joke as this subsequent books inclusive of the L.A Confidential and 7 sins books by Walsh is just a whole load of bull spun by either vengeful people who envy Lance's success or just wants to sell the story for the $$$

at the end of the day.. no one is a saint... there is always an ulterior motive behind each person's action...

This post has been edited by butthead: Feb 4 2013, 09:36 AM

like that ah... maybe it's your luck that you just went to the shop when the person serving you is co-incidentally having their period on that day...i don't know what to say other than that...

i think you meant "refusal to serve"... refuse service is meant for the client... like "refusing service from the lady on your staff"...

most of the time i go... they come and surround like a pack of wolves and i for once like some "refusal to be served" myself...and i do a lot of KKCC-ing at the shops...

there is no such thing as a "level playing field" one way or the other... period...

champions are held up by their supporters and as most people would have found out by now... can be as easily dropped as quickly as their rise to stature... this is the nature of us human beings...

Lance and Woods to name a few...

This post has been edited by butthead: Feb 4 2013, 09:46 AM

hi all masters and gurus of bicycle, may i know where to get belt driven bicyle in Klang Valley? instead of the oily and greasy metal chain, i prefer the belt type bicycle.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt-driven_bicycle

by choosing belt drive... you are limiting yourself to singlespeed and fixie bikes...

haven't seen em here before... only the fixie guys would know if they exist in KL...

replacement belt would be my primary concern even if i can get one...

use internal gear hub can what....

actually grease and oil is every where lar... as it is an essential thing in moving parts... eventually, it will ooze out from the freewheel mechanism from either a singlespeed or internal geared hub anyway unless you get a fixie...

internal gear also not cheap... saw those foldie buggers paying 4 figures for a complete set and you need their shifter some more...

hub only 4 figure? wahhhh.... bloody hell...

eh, i oso drooling over dt240 hubs... 4 figure also.... bloody hell myself

This post has been edited by miaopurr: Feb 4 2013, 12:54 PM

hub with shifter lar... not sure if it covers completely building the wheel up or not?

foldies got nothing to play mar... can't blame em...

This post has been edited by butthead: Feb 4 2013, 12:56 PM

miao...

can i know can i get the chain cleaner and the lub in most of the bicycle shop?
how much will they cost?..
normal chain cleaner and 2nd grade lub..
thanks:D

2nd grade lube? lube is lube... it is just brand preferential...

yes, most bike shop has it... for degreaser, you can use RP7 or WD40 to degrease if you are not willing to spend on those Pedros citrus degreaser or muck off products...

lube, as i say is preferential... but typically there is 2 types... wet and dry... wet for wet as in MTB type of mud and grimy wet which is usually stated or just riding in rain and stuff... dry is for dusty conditions and stuff like that...

try 2 or 3 brands and see which one you like and then stick to that...

i wanna have one of those at home.

take out your





or


and your wish is granted...

ok valid until 2014. but that amex already expired. can order from wiggle ah?

you, blardy eagle eye...

i dunno if wiggle has em... but money solves every problem... if can't buy online... MAS is your good friend.. just buy some paper that will get you into some plane of some sort and fly like a free bird to where rolf prima is sold on dry land...

MEN-strual cycle ?

I have not seen any ladies on the bikie staff that is worth a second look (granted I have not been to all......hehehe)

Till today I would buy Lance a cuppa if he is willing and not our 'champion' badminton player.

He may have the legs of a Keirin rider....SS (sounds nazi like) all the way for you man. You may be able to get a similar one locally...heavy emphasis on the word 'may'. It is after all a toothed drive belt.

Alfine 11 speed Di2

I heart citrus degreasers.....there are locally made ones that come in commercial packaging.......no $$$ method is to use hot water and mix your cheapest laundry detergent.....use with an old tooth brush or old sink brush. cost next to nothing. If you want to dress it up...put it all in an old squirt bottle

WD40/RP7 can penetrate bearings and chain links. Be careful with the stuff.

Never have I known wet is for wet and dry is for ummm dry.....I always used dry since it does not make a mess, both for the cup-cai and bicycles.

No $$$method is to use cheap engine oil (heaviest grade you can find, but when I was broke I used 2nd hand motorcycle oil) soaked in a rag and run the chain through it.....messy

O_O''''''''' no it doesnt. hmmm I thought Amex did a tie in with Maybank ? I heard it was a bumpy relationship for them somewhere.

MAS...reminds of a time when I had business class all to myself and there was these two stewardess ......... I think that was my 4th or 5th last flight for work......ohhhh sorry what was it again.....

If money is no object, I would go for a set of wheels from Dash Cycles..and promptly destroy it by using them under my full body weight at 245lbs..gained 5 lbs post CNY

ohhhh selamat malam ...early day tomorrow and one meeting tonight.....toodles.

i meant, i want that wheel building machine....

Miao, I will support you by ordering a pair of wheels from you, with DT 240 of course. Also cx ray spokes. First in Malaysia and boleh!

oh i see,actually my 2nd grade lube mean,more cheap one..hee ..
will try few brands ..
Thanks

each time my bike is serviced, i feel the love to Morgan Blue lubricants...!

but, due to off season in cycling, my 2 wet Finishline lube and 1 dry Finishline lube are not utilised... my morgan blue dream have to further postpone......

zzz...

Well, Lance is who he is... we wanted a champion's champion and he gave us that from an entertainment perspective...whether his actions are morally or ethically correct??? that is not for us to judge... we didn't race against him and we definitely did not fund his team or pay for his salaries... neither did we donate to livestrong....

Alfine 11 speed... might as well buy a motorbike lar.... how much would the bike cost at that point... heard it's not a cheap set...and furthermore, not yet available...

laundry detergent, the powder type is bad news... can cause your chain connecting plates to rust if you don't dry it nicely... not sure why... maybe due to the soda bicarbonate or something like that...

no one asked you to shoot WD40 into your bearings mar... your freehub bearings is already hidden behind the lock ring which is hard to get to... so getting WD40 there must be very intentional...

any automotive oil is too thick to properly lube the chain links lah... even 0-20 viscosity... stick back to bicycle chain lube and be more diligent in cleaning and relubing is the best...

play, re-arrange the sentences...

you are one ballsy dude... destroyed 2 air stewardess and have no repent for it...

also money can solve...

he is not a wheelbuilder lar... jus go wheelbuilder.com and sumbat your card...

cheap lube is singer oil... not great unless you like dirty oil dripping over your chainstays...

This post has been edited by butthead: Feb 5 2013, 09:38 AM

tats like saying everytime you have sexy time, you feel the love of




they do have expiry dates you know... i meant,

Im still learning how to put optimum wet lube on my chains. Previously always over dropped my lube to chain, each rides came back with really wet dark chains.....

i think it's how your lube is lar... nothing to do with over lubing...

it just gets dirty damn fast or you didn't wash your chains cleanly enough...

ah! how to clean chains very clean enough?

guess my method is not clean enough....

i use lots of rp7 and scrub it with those "abalone brush"...

RP7, soak, scrub, rinse,
dish washing detergent, scrub, rinse again,
RP7 again, scrub, rinse final time

scrubbing has to run the brush through the top of chain, bottom and also the both sides of the lingkage plates (1 time against cassette, 1 time against small chain ring)

the 2nd time you spray the RP7 should be very clear, not blackish liquid dripping from your chain... it's a lot of wastage... slightly oily to touch after wash, but quite clean for me...

this definitely works .. sure clean kow kow

i stay inside condo, limited space for me to do so inside condo....

clean wat? my eyes?

i thought condo got space to wash car in parking area??? tak boleh guna itu?

i want baywatch sexy babes wash my bike, slow-mo. without using sponge or brush.

This post has been edited by miaopurr: Feb 5 2013, 12:40 PM

do you need them to put a sponge in their cleavage and then clamp onto your chain to wash it?

but problem is... all the baywatch babes is now damn auntie already... like pamela anderson li tat... i bet it's already sagging to their knees already...

you sure you still interested or not?

without sponge or brush... ok la, baywatch babes or equivalent... age-wise can be negligible if hot like lori loughlin

This post has been edited by miaopurr: Feb 5 2013, 12:43 PM