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 Lenovo IdeaPad Y Series Thread v2, When Y480/580 meet Y400/500

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post Jan 19 2013, 08:14 AM

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i really dont understand what all this sequential read and write things mean. but it confuses me cuz normal SSD the write speed is somewhere around 500 and msata is 175. but the price is the same. now just by looking at the umber you feel oh.. the msata is lamer.. and maybe it is.. but in the real world does that number difference make much difference say for things like boot up time, or copying files? how much difference would there be between the two if copying a 1gb file or say files equalling 1gb from one location to the other and also booting up the PC? and would both of them still be substantially better than an HDD? or is upgrading to an msata to keep the HDD inside the laptop not worth the price as it would be to upgrade to normal 2.5 SSD?
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post Jan 19 2013, 02:13 PM

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The guys in Lowyat is really pushing y580 yesterday when I went. with a blueray drive asking rm3400++. At that price I would rather get the y500. Just wondering if there is any msata ports in the y500 and if yes can we use it when buying local set? Original reboot times are not very attractive so it either msata or change to SSD.
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QUOTE(slimfox @ Jan 19 2013, 02:13 PM)
The guys in Lowyat is really pushing y580 yesterday when I went. with a blueray drive asking rm3400++. At that price I would rather get the y500. Just wondering if there is any msata ports in the y500 and if yes can we use it when buying local set? Original reboot times are not very attractive so it either msata or change to SSD.
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wah... that one is the old set....
should be 1 msata port in y500.. unsure.gif unsure.gif
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post Jan 19 2013, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(kuroneko0509 @ Jan 19 2013, 02:33 PM)
wah... that one is the old set....
should be 1 msata port in y500..  unsure.gif  unsure.gif
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That was my question as there any msata ports in the y500. Seems it does not come with any msata card. I intended to add one when I purchase it.

Overall the y500 is a handsome looking notebook. Feels very solid.
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QUOTE(maggot05 @ Jan 19 2013, 08:14 AM)
i really dont understand what all this sequential read and write things mean. but it confuses me cuz normal SSD the write speed is somewhere around 500 and msata is 175. but the price is the same. now just by looking at the umber you feel oh.. the msata is lamer.. and maybe it is.. but in the real world does that number difference make much difference say for things like boot up time, or copying files? how much difference would there be between the two if copying a 1gb file or say files equalling 1gb from one location to the other and also booting up the PC? and would both of them still be substantially better than an HDD? or is upgrading to an msata to keep the HDD inside the laptop not worth the price as it would be to upgrade to normal 2.5 SSD?
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the reason why mSATA & SSD price is almost the same bcos of the usability of mSATA... there's no need to replace the current HDD when installing mSATA compared to SSD... besides, mSATA can be used as a cache drive, means no need to reinstall/migrate OS into the mSATA...
there's should be noticable speed difference between mSATA & SSD, but if you look clearly, there's different type of sequential read/write. the normal one that you mention (500 vs 175) is usually applies for large file.. instead, there's another sequential (4K) that is used for smaller files, which usually applies for os stuff that actually affect the normal daily usage... unsure.gif
and yes, both mSATA & SSD are better than hdd in term of speed, temp etc.. except price laugh.gif
as for whether the price is worth or not, it is usually depends on the user and the machine itself... for example, y480/580 can use both method, either mSATA/HDD + ODD combo or SSD + HDD combo but for y400/500 they better go for mSATA/HDD bcos the standard caddy isn't appliable to both laptop. so, if they wanna use SSD, they have to remove the HDD & probably change them into external drive. besides, i dun think that y500 user wanna sacrifice their SLI configuration just for SSD/HDD combo brows.gif
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QUOTE(slimfox @ Jan 19 2013, 02:40 PM)
That was my question as there any msata ports in the y500. Seems it does not come with any msata card. I intended to add one when I purchase it.

Overall the y500 is a handsome looking notebook. Feels very solid.
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well yeah.. official malaysia set doesn't come with one... you have to get it separately
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QUOTE(kuroneko0509 @ Jan 19 2013, 02:46 PM)
well yeah.. official malaysia set doesn't come with one... you have to get it separately
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So what will be recommended size to get for the msata?
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post Jan 19 2013, 07:04 PM

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hello fellow Lenovo Y Series users!

i own a Lenovo y480 laptop (model 20131) with just 4GB of RAM. i would just like to ask if it is possible to upgrade the RAM to 16GB even if the manual says that it can only handle up to 8GB RAM. when i did my research, i only read that 16GB RAM is only compatible with lenovo y480 (model 2093). any one here with the same model as mine? any help is very much appreciated! thank you! smile.gif


here are my specs:

Lenovo y480
Model 20131
Windows 7 Home Premium
Intel® Core™ i7-3610QM Processor
4GB DDR3 SDRAM
HDD: 750GB @ 5400rpm
ODD: DVD-RW
Nvidia® GeForce GT640M LE 2GB GDDR3
14" WXGA LED (1366x768)

another thing, i'm also planning on putting an msata ssd on my lenovo y480. anyone there tried putting ang msata ssd on their y480? what are important things i must note prior to installing mine? thanks again! smile.gifAttached Image

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post Jan 19 2013, 08:56 PM

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how much is that mSATA??
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post Jan 19 2013, 09:06 PM

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What is the latest driver for y500 (GT650M SLI) right now?
I checked Nvidia website it is 310.90 but its for GT650M, is it the same for SLI?
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post Jan 19 2013, 10:48 PM

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Y580 EOL, Y500 officially replace Y580?
any rumors of Y580 successors? why lenovo no enable optimus for Y500 haiz

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QUOTE(Jabberwocky @ Jan 19 2013, 09:06 PM)
What is the latest driver for y500 (GT650M SLI) right now?
I checked Nvidia website it is 310.90 but its for GT650M, is it the same for SLI?
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310.90 currently the latest driver for all 600m nvidia graphic card right now and got new SLI profile there. But Dota 2 and Fifa 2013 SLI still bugged sad.gif

QUOTE(arju @ Jan 19 2013, 10:48 PM)
Y580 EOL, Y500 officially replace Y580?
any rumors of Y580 successors? why lenovo no enable optimus for Y500 haiz
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Bcoz its SLI ready version and if got optimus it might trouble the SLI config there imho
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post Jan 20 2013, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(masterz_man @ Jan 19 2013, 11:22 PM)
310.90 currently the latest driver for all 600m nvidia graphic card right now and got new SLI profile there. But Dota 2 and Fifa 2013 SLI still bugged sad.gif
Bcoz its SLI ready version and if got optimus it might trouble the SLI config there imho
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What is the bug?
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QUOTE(tennytyy @ Jan 20 2013, 12:43 AM)
What is the bug?
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Too much lag in DOTA 2
average 30-45 fps in SLI mode
even V-syn on or off sad.gif
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post Jan 20 2013, 05:18 AM

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bro play dota 2 without sli on. smooth as butter !
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post Jan 20 2013, 07:51 AM

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QUOTE(kuroneko0509 @ Jan 19 2013, 02:45 PM)
the reason why mSATA & SSD price is almost the same bcos of the usability of mSATA... there's no need to replace the current HDD when installing mSATA compared to SSD... besides, mSATA can be used as a cache drive, means no need to reinstall/migrate OS into the mSATA...
there's should be noticable speed difference between mSATA & SSD, but if you look clearly, there's different type of sequential read/write. the normal one that you mention (500 vs 175) is usually applies for large file.. instead, there's another sequential (4K) that is used for smaller files, which usually  applies for os stuff that actually affect the normal daily usage...  unsure.gif
and yes, both mSATA & SSD are better than hdd in term of speed, temp etc.. except price  laugh.gif
as for whether the price is worth or not, it is usually depends on the user and the machine itself... for example, y480/580 can use both method, either mSATA/HDD + ODD combo or SSD + HDD combo but for y400/500 they better go for mSATA/HDD bcos the standard caddy isn't appliable to both laptop. so, if they wanna use SSD, they have to remove the HDD & probably change them into external drive. besides, i dun think that y500 user wanna sacrifice their SLI configuration just for SSD/HDD combo  brows.gif
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thanks bro but I was actually leaning towards Y580 since the GTX660 card is what I prefer cuz I dont play too many games and the SLI y500 is too pricey as well. so in terms of y580 what do you suggest? also what is a cache drive ? would using the SSD as a cache drive be the same as using the SSD as primary boot drive with OS .. in terms of speed and performance of course. also If you were me and going for the y580 (though I do like the y500 design and weight) would go for mSATA+HDD or just a single SSD?
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QUOTE(soundworks @ Jan 20 2013, 05:18 AM)
bro play dota 2 without sli on. smooth as butter !
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Smooth for me too. average 70-100 fps. I have some glitch problem. You got?
arju
post Jan 20 2013, 09:03 AM

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why the Y580 EOL when demand still high?
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post Jan 20 2013, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(maggot05 @ Jan 20 2013, 07:51 AM)
thanks bro but I was actually leaning towards Y580 since the GTX660 card is what I prefer cuz I dont play too many games and the SLI y500 is too pricey as well. so in terms of y580 what do you suggest? also what is a cache drive ? would using the SSD as a cache drive be the same as using the SSD as primary boot drive with OS .. in terms of speed and performance of course. also If you were me and going for the y580 (though I do like the y500 design and weight) would go for mSATA+HDD or just a single SSD?
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the existence of cache drive will speed up things a little bit, but will not have the same access speed through SSD...

the way it works is, computer will make a copy of things that is frequently accessed into the cache drive so that it doesn't have to go through slow painful process looking for stuff inside the HDD... so stuff that you frequently access will be available faster...
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post Jan 20 2013, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(mrl @ Jan 20 2013, 09:55 AM)
the existence of cache drive will speed up things a little bit, but will not have the same access speed through SSD...

the way it works is, computer will make a copy of things that is frequently accessed into the cache drive so that it doesn't have to go through slow painful process looking for stuff inside the HDD... so stuff that you frequently access will be available faster...
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ah.. makes sense.. but i suppose that really wont be as fast as an SSD. in any case sorry for being a noob.. well we all start somewhere

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