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Safety first, others secondary. Vios has no traction control and no stability control, only 1-2 airbags. Find out yourself how these can save life. Engine performance wise,
Max torque:
Vios = 141Nm
Altis 1.8= 173Nm
PC = 169 Nm

Performance wise, PC is about the same as Ailtis 1.8, provided the battery is sufficiently charged, other wise, it is just like Vios, I.e 1.5 litre engine

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You will feel vios powerful because of conventional 4AT super-ect, you will feel PC no power because of e-cvt , CVT just too smooth untill we can't feel any power and feel want to sleep, but in real world no matter 0-100, 110-170kmh , PC is faster and more powerful , the traction battery+motor torque is already 169nm compare to vios maximum torque 145nm.................because of eco car characteristic(pc dont have sport mode) and ecvt, we want full power then have to floor the pedal till end , that time you will feel PC is worth for $$$$ ........because you will get 1.8L car max power but only 16-18km/L low FC

thanks guys. so, PC it is. hope to sell my car fast. don't want to trade in cause the value offered by toyota is very low.

anyone here from penang or kulim?

Already PM...just havent decide which brand to go

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Added on November 6, 2012, 5:03 pm try on carlist also....i sell my old car there

This post has been edited by christinelcy: Nov 6 2012, 05:03 PM

look for 0% downpayment 1 then keep u r old car as spare car....haha

0% downpayment is like pay as u use.....

petrol average ppl use already about RM 500 a mth/ top up another RM 500 can get a new car use maybe about RM 200 a month or less.....

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Added on November 6, 2012, 5:13 pmnow promotion just call the toyota SA and asked got ppl offer 7k discount & 0% downpayment since now promotion yr end....

This post has been edited by NewGUY: Nov 6 2012, 05:13 PM

Let me share my 2 cents worth...I traded in my 2008 vios for my PC...vios acc and gear change can be felt..so it feels fun...PC gear is ecvt so its smoother and not noticible...but I must say PC pick up is better than vios plus engine is quiet handling is better not excellent...that's why if I want to tekan around corner I'll take my wife's fiesta hb. But I must say when you drive PC you'll want to slow down and watch the fc...it'll make you want to save fuel...

yup thrue .. using shell for few weeks than change to petronas now BHP .. bhp did give better power and FC is it bcos of new euro 3 fuel ?

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Added on November 6, 2012, 5:38 pmhaha and the face of vios trd wannabe driver face (PRICELESS )

This post has been edited by keanutan: Nov 6 2012, 05:38 PM

shell when 1st tank still okie,but after pump few more tank,the car feel sluggish and engine quite noisy,shell almost same as petronas,both abang adik, caltex actually not bad ,but now bhp the best, euro3+new german addictive+imported from singapore , can feel more power,,less noise,less vibration and manage to get lower fc than before but some places hard to find bhp station

mm.. maybe I can try BHP for next refuel.. I stay near USM, where's the nearest BHP =.=

Prius C overall power output is just 99 HP, the 1.5L engine is not the normal otto type engine, it is Atkinson engine which has better fuel efficiency but come with lower power output, 1.5L Atkinson engine is same as 1.1L normal otto engine output.

What make Prius C pick up faster is the motor, which has 169 N.m torque at very low rpm, this is the main thing that wins most of the petrol car. however, since motor is powered from traction battery, if you want good pick up, traction battery level must be more than half.

Anyone check their speedo meter against gps? When I travel at 90, 2 different gps shows 85, quite bad IMO.

My 2 cents on performance of PC vs Vios.

Vios 1.5 L engine, max output 109 PS, max torque 141 Nm. Easy, just engine.
PC is more complicated because the engine and motor interact with each other to produce total performance.

PC's max output
Although PC is using 1.5 L engine, it's running on Atkinson cycle, producing only 73 PS max output, which is way below Vios' max output (+1 to Kiding). Thus, hypothetically, if PC's motor or battery MATI, Vios will definitely outrun PC.
But with combination of the motor with appropriate battery level, the max output rises to 101 PS.

PC's max torque
This is lagi complicated, due to the eCVT compared to Vios' AT. Anyhow, the PC's electric motor generates more torque than Vios' engine - 169 Nm vs 141, not to mention the influence of engine's 111 Nm. Even the PC is heavier, the torque:car weight ratio still beats Vios (+1 to jscyl1980).

So,
PC max torque > Vios
Vios max output > PC

Which means, PC ACCELERATES faster than Vios (0-100 - 10.7 sec vs >11 sec); eCVT makes NO jerking acceleration, therefore smoother acceleration which leads to MISPERCEPTION of "no power to accelerate" (+1 to jscyl1980).
Vios' top speed higher than PC (this is theoretical, I dare not to experiment on my own in real life), thanks to PC's eCVT, PC's max 2nd motor generator RPM = wheel RPM, that's what some people say PC has 1 gear only.

BY theory, you can make use of PC's excessive max torque to increase the top speed by changing to bigger tyre, but this will sacrifice your acceleration. IF any of you know how to do the calculation, maybe you can switch the tyre size to tune PC to higher top speed and at the same time keeping faster acceleration than a Vios.

Conclusion, as a normal street user, I'll still say PC performs better than Vios because faster acceleration is more practical than top speed.

thank you deeplydeluded. really glad lot of frens here help to give me your opinion.

i also agree with you, faster acceleration is more important than top speed. my current car only one time i drive close to 180kph, just to test it, then i not dare to go more. i am not the super speedy type. 150kph in highway is enough for me, provided that the car is easy to reach 150kph.

+1

Really like your explaination

Seem you are very demanding & particular the car you want. If you really looking for power, reliable & a Hybrid, why not consider Prius? Although more expensive, but really worth it for long term. It certainly much better then PC in every sense especially the interior & more spacious. If give you the power of 2.4L & more fun to drive.

i am not too demanding, i just want to make sure that i make a right choice within my budget. either PC or vios. buying a car involve loan commitment for years, that is why i am too particular when choosing which car to buy. i read lot of reviews, test drive reports, and here i'm seeking experience sharing from the owner of PC that drive this car everyday, not just only test drive for few minutes or hours like those reviewers and test drivers. hybrid car is new thing for me, so i am a little bit concern on the power, comparing to vios, the car with about the same budget. but i am not a power hunger. just want to know which one of these 2 cars provide better power, better noise insulation, better handling and better comfort. of course each car has its own strength. but all this comparison between those cars i will gather, summarize them on a paper, evaluate them, and finally make a final decision.

For engine, max torque only occurs at higher rpm, for example, VIOS max torque is 140Nm@4200rpm, during startup, you have to rev very high to get max torgue, unpractical for normal driving.

For Prius C, at low speed, torque mainly comes from motor, which can deliver max torque during start up such as 100rpm, no engine can do it, delivering max torque at very low rpm is a characteristic of motor.

Bro, what do you mean by "manage to get lower fc than before"? You mean, when you use euro 3 will get lower fc than using with other petrol. Is that right? Please correct me, if I got it wrong.

This post has been edited by wankf: Nov 7 2012, 12:08 AM

You're welcome. Wanna brain wash you into our gang
But seriously, since you do travel frequently on North-south and east-west highways, I think safety is the utmost priority, which means PC beats Vios hands down (VSC is super important for that, plus 7 air bags). I would say handling, noise insulation, etc comes later than safety. Anyhow, the sharp cornering, sound insulation and comfort are very satisfactory to me. Power? Getting up hill needs torque more than horsepower.


+1. Now I remembered I came across that somewhere...



Guys, most of you recommended BHP and caltex over shell and petronas. What about ESSO Mobil? I'm using that because of smile points , but are BHP and caltex better than ESSO Mobil?

Hi bro, did you manage to find the OBD II port at your PC yet?

This post has been edited by wankf: Nov 7 2012, 12:26 AM