How many rich parents are there?
The culture is much more different here compared to the West. Parents will not say a word (at least mine) even if i am jobless, penniless and staying idle at home. They pay for all the bills, buy me my 3 meals and snacks. And my parents are not even rich to begin with. But anyone who is shameless and not feel shy about leeching off parents can continue to do so. They will not say a word. The clock is ticking and imagine when the time is up.

I am not career minded but I can attest that in certain fields you get promotion with increment relatively easy; of course you must be dedicated, hardworking and responsible lah. I am saying not only white collars get to climb the ladder here.

Everyone knows the formula of how much in order to sustain their lifestyle
income vs expenses

Disagree again. What makes you think as a fresh grad working in SG your chances of promotion is higer than in msia?
Don't forget there are alot more competition in SG from foreigners compared to msia. Speaking strictly from a financial services background and IT background, as a fresh grad you are more likely to get a promotion or move to other better paying companies in malaysia than SG. This is simply bcoz there is a lack of talent in those areas as compared to SG where there are alot of qualified indians, pinoys and other foreingers who are more hungry and willing to work more for less hence supressing wages.

Does anyone know if one can hold more than 1 PR-ship? Eg Singapore and Australia?

i know someone holding 4 PR previously. Indon, SG, AU, NZ.

+1

Singapore PR ship requires you to work 3 years within 5 years in Singapore. Which means if you're out of Singapore, or not employed under Singapore for more than 4 years in a row, your PR-ship may be revoke.

if according to you, you think you can get promotion or move to other better paying companies in malaysia compare to SG, then shouldnt choose SG if you feel that you are better in Malaysia than SG?

Typical of daddy or mommy's little boy/girl to only compare with extreme cases.
then y do u wanna work when u can live off your parents and still live like a king.


if u feel that u are inferior to everyone else, wat makes you think u are any better back in m'sia?
please continue to feel inferior abt yourself and stay at the bottom if it makes you happy and u can still live like a king.

Hello I been reading a lot here. Tq so much for the info. Really cleared my mind on the situation in sg. Nice community that support each other.
My wife got a very good offer there and got offered double the salary in SGD. Well she have a good degree.

Problem is I only have stpm cert and I was to move in there with her with my child. All my experience is only in sales. Iknow it will be hard to get job there. Anyone here wt similar situation manage to get job there and mind sharing some tips for me?

^ u already whack spm and pmr holder already
u just need a good strategy, if u got fund contraint, u can move your wife here first

join a retail sale like selling phone u can easily earn more than 2 or 3 k depends on your sale commission. The requirement to join this kind of job is very low it dont even need to have stpm as long as you can do sales.

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to add on to that, Aussie PR also requires 3 (or maybe 2? dunno) years out of 5. So the problem is not so much getting the PR, the problem is maintaining it.


Depends on what this "double the salary" figure is. Because you have to factor in the worst case scenario that you are unable to find a job for the medium term (3-6 months) then can your wife salary support all 3 of you? For example, assuming you want to rent an entire HDB unit (cos you already one family), then your basic expenses will be easily $4k-$5k a month.

U and ur kids stay in JB lor. U can take care of the kids personally.
Ur wife can rent a room in SG and go over to JB every Friday and come back Sunday/Monday lor.
Otherwise ur wife can stay in JB and u can send ur wife over to SG everyday from JB. This may be financially better than if u find a low paying job and whole family stay in SG, then have to incur extra cost to take care of your kids.
Childcare being outsource too much oso not very healthy and maybe (inclusive of other cost maybe more expensive than ur monthly salary).

Yes and no.
For me personally I can earn more in SG than Malaysia becuase I work within the financial services sector.
As we all know Malaysia's financial sector isn't at Singapore's level yet.
And I am not a fresh grad which means I don't live pay check to pay check (but that's not to say i am earning shitloads of money either - the financial sector isn't doing that well in recent times)

All I'm saying is, if you're a fresh grad living with your parents in the klang valley, it might be a good idea to work in Malaysia for a few years first before comming over.
2 main benefits is 1) it'sll be easier for you to leverage on your exp to get a job in SG with a few years exp 2) you can demand for more than the S$2.5k a month pay fresh grad pay (less if you're a foreigner working in a SME) which really is just scraping through everyday.

Bear in mind that competition for entry level position is INTENSE as there are many other foreigners and Singaporeans vying for the same job and unless you come from some top ivy league unis its really difficult to justify why an employer should hire you (unless its for less money than the average fresh grad - and that you also face competition from the hungry Indians and Pinoys) bearing in mind that the employers in SG will view you as a foreigner no different than the Pinoys or Indians or China Chinese.

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Added on November 15, 2012, 9:16 pmFeeling inferior or superior about yourself does NOT influence the employers to hire you.
Only a fool will feel inferior or superior about themselves without the ability to justify their value-add to the organisation they intend to join becuase ultimately they would end up jobless (or get stuck in some low paying job).

I perfer to stick to the tried and tested formula of justifying how i can add value to their organisation and that can only happen if i have the relevant experience.
In order to get that experience, it is better for fresh grad to get the exp in Malaysia with an MNC becuase it's easier to get in if you have a degree and presumably you can reduce your cost if you stay with your parents for the first couple of years. Then leverage on those experience to get a job in SG with a higher pay than the S$2.5k.


This post has been edited by mercury8400: Nov 15 2012, 09:16 PM

+1.
they themselves SG also need to feed themselves as priority. they also have lot of fresh grads too. training course if is citizen or pr also got grant. foreigners chances are slimmer.

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Added on November 15, 2012, 9:22 pmthat was how i was transferred without even need to apply myself. all done by company. exception my SG boss required me to transferred to SG faster that time before business unit officially sold to new stakeholders. just need to bring 1 laptop + 2 luggages + some routine usages+ find myself accommodation. reported to office on first day, all my personal files in HR were transferred from KL to SG done by company. however, i still prefer to work in KL my priority.

This post has been edited by ch_teo: Nov 15 2012, 09:29 PM

man...i typed too long...unable to quote...

who said anything abt feeling inferior or superior influence the employers
it does not influence the employers but it influence yourself.
if you think you are capable, then go for it.
if you have given up because someone else sucked and could not make it then kept on stepping on every single fresh grad trying by telling them they should live their life leeching of their parents, then most likely, it is because you feel inferior and you do not think you have what it takes for employers to hire you.
if u suck...you will still suck whether you are in m'sia, sg or any part of the world in that sector.

so u think that the competition will disappear once you left entry level?
in this world, only people like you are able to think of it this way? people from other parts of the world don't?
because you have some extra experience the indians, prcs, burmese will all continue to be stuck at entry level and do not have experience?!
it may be less....because lots of them gave up halfway, probably after the long waiting time when they tried to apply with no avail or they just got too used to their comfort zone because some people keep telling them that entry level jobs are not worth it when you can leech on your parents even though when tried earlier.
the number of positions also become lesser when u go up the pyramid.
employers will not try to squirm their way with all sorts of excuses to lower your pay just because you have SOME experience?

I am not saying that gaining some experience back home first is bad.
I am saying that if you are given a chance even with $2k, it is a lot if you first know how to differentiate between a NEED and a WANT.
just because a particular daddy's boy cannot does not mean everyone cannot.
what is there to lose being a fresh grad?
losing some comfort at the beginning for a headstart ahead of others who might try later?
just try and if you are offered a job with reasonable pay, just accept it.
chances do not come by all the time.
if u are bored, find a low cost hobby like maybe basketball at the public basketball court.
search around the net, sg has A LOT of activity groups which are free to join or with minimal fee to cover the costs
you are not restricted to only clubbing and pubbing for entertainment.

Having entire family moving to Sg live is pain in an ass. I'm sure everyone knows this. Even Singaporeans also agree this as well. Living cost is much higher than Malaysia, way higher. You can see the inflation is getting worse in Singapore and HDB and Car price keep hiking and it nvr slowed down at all. It's hard for a guy to afford a house now in singapore and has to depend both parties to afford it.

We don't talk about the currency conversion gap between Malaysia and Singapore. If you said career path. I do agree that Singapore has much better approach than Malaysia. Not because I'm liase with Singapore or I love Singapore whatsoever. But this is true. You can always ask any Australian company or any other countries, if there are two Malaysian, one work in Malaysia and the other one work in Singapore with work permit with same experience. What will he choose? Mostly he will choose the second. Cause everyone in this whole world knows that Singapore is a much competitive country compare with Malaysia and you can actually cope with it.

From Singapore you can get job in other countries like Australia, UK, Philippines better chances than from Malaysia, if you are considering yourself permanently staying other country. If you are not that much of demand or determination. You can always stay in Malaysia, or if you still enjoy the currency rate, you can cont work in Singapore. Its your choice.

We are always at the losing side in Singapore because we are foreigners, but we are better in getting job compare to China and Indian, cause Singapore Company loves to hire Malaysian. ( if they can't find any Singaporean ).

This post has been edited by Jet23sky: Nov 16 2012, 08:55 AM

LOL, is very long indeed.true for me, basketball and running is very low cost hobby.

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Added on November 16, 2012, 9:06 amYup, in certain level, Malaysian is alway the better choice for singapore company compare to China and Indian, because we speak the same language and having the similiar culture.As for those MNC, maybe they tend to go for indian and China for cheaper labor cost?

This post has been edited by yhoong12: Nov 16 2012, 09:06 AM

guys just saying if your leverage is because of same culture as the singaporean and cheaper cost of labour, this will not last you very long
eventually, u will be expensive and old, so you need a different strategy in long term

there is alot of ang moh co in sg, not singaporean company, where top all ang moh
so in their eye it dont really matter u malaysian or singaporean as long as u can do the job

Hi guys~~~

Just want to ask the sifus around , what's the likelihood for SPM holder to go work in F&B line in SG ?