my pay here is sgd 1200 per month still ok

rent = 450
phone bill + transport = 70
makan = 280
saving= 400

urs i think more than enough lo

800 a month on food...800/30 days then divide by 3 meals a day..that's close to SGD9 per meal...what kind of economy rice you eat ler?
SGD280/30 then divide by 3 meals a day == SGD3.1..this is possible...just food..no drinks!!

why u condemn economy rice ar      what's wrong with eating that everyday     

60 days out of 90 days, but only maximum of 30 days in one stretch (as would be stamped on the white card). You can exit on day 30, and come back in, and be given another (up to) 30 days white card. Once that one is expired, you gotta wait 30 days outside of singapore before coming back in. exact numbers might be off a bit but you get the picture.

Don't mind if i ask a unrelated question.. How much and how long did you spend for your studies in the states?

Oh well, economy is on the downturn.. SG is also tightening up the foreign labour pool.

I think you should aim for 2.8, but if you don't mind 2.5 is pretty decent living as well.

Tax wise, almost negligible, less than SGD200.

http://www.iras.gov.sg/irasHome/page04.aspx?id=282

Wow.. Seems like I hit a nerve there 

Sorry if i've offended you, maybe I didn't really grasp the full picture of a foreigner working in SG.

I'm a Singaporean, but i do have a handful of colleagues from Indo and Malaysia who are getting around the range of 2.7k SGD.

And also a handful getting 1.4k to 1.6k, doing factory shift work.

We do talk finance sometimes and I gather that they are doing pretty fine.

Maybe you can cut down on your food spending.. Just what do you feast on?

$1000/30 is more than 30$ a day, even $800/30 is about 30$ a day.

Dude, I only spend roughly 1.5k including food, tele, housing rental and entertainment (every saturday and sunday only) . And I am having a good life here and you can definitely survive with 2.5k!

Note: I dont drink nor club...So you can save alot on that.

You should inform the thousands of bus captains, restaurant captains, retail sales people, technicians that they have hardly enough to own a flat and raise a family.

i read and read and read, why you all keep talking about eating economy rice but never mention about home cooking?

Is it not an option down there? care to enlighten me? If i have a family will it make sense then?

Actually most people working in SG is in different range of salary, just the way you spend is just showing the way you save. mercury8400 live the life like a boss, because for him, it is bloody boring in SG and he intend to drink, eat & club, of cause it is not enough, i doubt living the life like that MYR 2.5K is enough in Malaysia.

You are comparing someone who needs to take care of himself in SG for S$2500 vs someone who lives with parents in KL for RM2500.

I am comparing someone who needs to take care of himself in SG for S$2500 vs someone who needs to take care of himself in KL for RM2500.

Most Malaysians coming to work in SG are not from KL. I'm from Ipoh. When I worked in KL, I had to rent a house, buy a car and pay for my own food. Exactly the same now as in Singapore. That's why I can safely tell people that it's better to earn S$ vs RM no matter what.

If you factor in Daddy's money,.. then it depends entirely on who your Daddy is. If your Daddy has enough power, he can buy you a condo and a car in Singapore. Then even if you earn S$2500 in Singapore, you will have a pretty good life.

In my opinion, 2.5k is more than enough.
You live your life base on what you earn and what you can afford instead of leeching the benefits that your parents/family can give you when you start working.
It is better to suffer (learn being independent) and differentiate what is a NEED and what is a WANT at an earlier stage.
If you are provided with everything all the time, you will never learn to appreciate the things you have.
Furthermore, it is better to venture out early before you grow accustomed to your comfort zone and reluctant to move.

Sure, anyone one can live a luxurious life by leaching their parents, you don’t have to grow up to be an independent man and you actually don’t need to work so that you have more time to play, eat, sleep!

Then make sure you get the major share of the will so that you can continue to live a luxurious life from parent's money for years to come. What a good life.

Starting pay is not the end, it is just the begining. One can build their career faster in SG with all else being equal.  S$500 annual increment vs RM$500 increment, 4 months bonus in SGD vs RM? Those short sighted people seriously need to reconsider.

if according to you, you think you can get promotion or move to other better paying companies in malaysia compare to SG, then shouldnt choose SG if you feel that you are better in Malaysia than SG?

Typical of daddy or mommy's little boy/girl to only compare with extreme cases.
then y do u wanna work when u can live off your parents and still live like a king.   
if u feel that u are inferior to everyone else, wat makes you think u are any better back in m'sia?
please continue to feel inferior abt yourself and stay at the bottom if it makes you happy and u can still live like a king.

man...i typed too long...unable to quote...  

who said anything abt feeling inferior or superior influence the employers
it does not influence the employers but it influence yourself.
if you think you are capable, then go for it.
if you have given up because someone else sucked and could not make it then kept on stepping on every single fresh grad trying by telling them they should live their life leeching of their parents, then most likely, it is because you feel inferior and you do not think you have what it takes for employers to hire you.
if u suck...you will still suck whether you are in m'sia, sg or any part of the world in that sector.
Again nobody cares if you feel inferior or superior about yourself. The employers only care only if you could get the job done.
And nobody cares about you if you're a fresh grad and whether you feel inferior or superior about youself! You are just another speck of dust to them.
And as a fresh grad how are you going to demonstrate that you can get the work done without having the relevant experience?
Therefore you go back to malaysia, get a MNC job there and then leverage on the experience.
If you don't believe me just ask other forumers here who are MNC hiring managers if they prefer to hire 1) a fresh grad who feels inferior/superior about himself/herself with no experience to demonstrate that they can get the work done or someone who has the relevant experience and have demonstrated they can get the job done irrespective of whether he/she feels inferior/superior about himself/herself.


so u think that the competition will disappear once you left entry level?
in this world, only people like you are able to think of it this way? people from other parts of the world don't?
because you have some extra experience the indians, prcs, burmese will all continue to be stuck at entry level and do not have experience?!
it may be less....because lots of them gave up halfway, probably after the long waiting time when they tried to apply with no avail or they just got too used to their comfort zone because some people keep telling them that entry level jobs are not worth it when you can leech on your parents even though when tried earlier.
the number of positions also become lesser when u go up the pyramid.
employers will not try to squirm their way with all sorts of excuses to lower your pay just because you have SOME experience?
No. Once you're in the company it's up to you how you create value to the company to differentiate yourself from the other foreign talents and Singaporeans. If you can't do that, might as well go home. Entry level jobs are worth it only (if you can get them in the first place) it is a proven MNC with a decent pay to boot. Which means no S$2.5k monkey business. All others don't help you in anyway. Might as well go back to Malaysia and gain the relevant exp with the relevant MNC since its easier to get in. 
On the last part yes they will try to squirm their way with all sorts of excuses to lower your pay. But their are also not stupid. They know its difficult to find people with the right experience to get the job done especially in my field i.e. financial sector. Just stand firm. I guarantee you they will still give you what you ask for if they find you can offer them that value.

I am not saying that gaining some experience back home first is bad.
I am saying that if you are given a chance even with $2k, it is a lot if you first know how to differentiate between a NEED and a WANT.
If you can have the need and wants in Malaysia but you cannot get them in SG, why bother comming to SG in the first place? If you come to SG just to experience hardship then why don't you go to Africa instead?

just because a particular daddy's boy cannot does not mean everyone cannot.
what is there to lose being a fresh grad?
losing some comfort at the beginning for a headstart ahead of others who might try later?
Time is more important than money. Every year that you lose, you can't get it back. Rather than wallowing in some SME company in SG with not much prospects who pays you less than S$2.5k suffering your way in the process, might as well live life to the fullest back home in Malaysia. Afterall you only get to be 23 once in a lifetime and you certianly don't want to reminisce back when you're my age thinking about the tought time you had in SG. 
just try and if you are offered a job with reasonable pay, just accept it.
chances do not come by all the time.
This advise is the ultimate career killer. Beleive it or not, your first job will determine where you will be for the rest of your life.
If you start your career in some kuching-kurap SME company in SG, the chances of you going on to work in an MNC is very slim. (not to say it dosen't happen but the chances are rare indeed). You will wallow for some time in those kinda places wasting your life as a result.
if u are bored, find a low cost hobby like maybe basketball at the public basketball court.
search around the net, sg has A LOT of activity groups which are free to join or with minimal fee to cover the costs
you are not restricted to only clubbing and pubbing for entertainment.

haha, so what make you think the other way round?

I dont have to say why SG as this has been discuss many times. You are right too, one fine day I might work in MY for more layback pace and demand.

When I was a fresh grad, I work free OT daily and take up all the training facilities provided by company. Pay is never my major concern but the exposure nad training are important to me. In general, SG have good human resource development vs the DIY style in Malaysia. Young people can progress faster.

We face competition but we have our experience/skill to keep us ahead. The annual increment is a kind of reward for your added value. If there is less competition, the increment will be low too?

you might say company can replace you with cheaper fresh grad... that's true for company that stop growing. They produce the same quality of stuff every years. You see many such company in other country (malaysia?) but these company cant survive long in SG. The demand is higher in SG so as the progress, your role increase so as your pay. It is hard life but pay better.

In MY, if my family operate the TOLL then my life is easy with better pay than SG but that's not the case for most worker in Malaysia.

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Added on November 16, 2012, 4:48 pm

That should make your feel a lot better but it does not reduce the load and suffering on your parents.

From your own personal perspective, you are rightly advantageous( less expenses... from your own pocket).

You are young and you have time to make mistake then turn around. You have to make changes if needed. If you can't live off your parent's money as working adult, do you expect your future child to depend on their grandparent too?

Yeah right, cheap FT able to replace my role then I have to move back to Malaysia to offer better service at local rate, then what happen if cheap labour replace your jobs in malaysia? Where else can you go?

If you know your jobs type is not those cheaper better type, FT influx is not a problem to you.
Guess that's different family concept. I move out since sec school. Many of my relative work/study/setup their family out side Malaysia. I will ask my child to stand on their feet and to go out to the world. Come back for reunion or retirement is fine, Never be a big fish in small pond. I have my own plan for my retirement.

for normal person to enter with spm cert only which one suit best?
http://www.prisons.gov.sg/content/sps/defa..._structure.html

Hi guys,

I am working as an accounts executive in a small local company in Singapore.

My working hours is from 8am to 6pm Mon to Sat. I have already signed the employment contract. My total working hours is 54 hours.

However I check the MOM guideline which states no employee shall be required to work for more than 8 hours a day or more than 44 hours in a week.

My question is can I tell my company that is illegal and I need not work on Saturday since my 54 hours already exceed the 44 hours rule? However I already signed the employment contract a few months back. This is the problem.

Thanks in advance. Hate to work on Saturdays.

My contract nvr states that my working hours will vary according to the needs of the company.

However the contract states that my shift from 8.00 am to 6.00 pm is extendable when required to do so. I take it that it means overtime. In practice I always go back sharp at 6 pm and they nvr ask me to OT.

If Mackiddo is right about MOM > any contracts, I should have a strong case.

Most company as I know will write a standard 8 hours a day from mon to fri. And at most additional half day on Saturday. However if they want to make u work longer than what's is suppose to be, they will just control the working performance and bonus.

I have never heard of any accounts working hours as per contract is 9 hours a day from Mon to Sat. Maybe I am being conned. Sigh....

Actually it's not that I want to leave haha. It's more like my company cannot sustain and eventually will bankrupt.

I have to think carefully right now because for me as a foreigner to find job, it won't be easy. If I am in Malaysia, I would not hesitate to quit.

Maybe I have to check with MOM. Anyway I would be surprised if really Malaysia would side the employees more than Singapore as they are more advanced.

comparing your pathetic working life with others who seek an answer for something which is clearly stated otherwise, is moronic, which suits your character judging from all your past postings.

iirc you compared your pathetic working life when someone is trying to find an answer for max working hours issue instead of guiding him, even to say its normal. Well, as I said, judging from your previous posting, we all already know who's the non-constructive moron.

let's see. a loser with a pathetic working hours, nothing constructive to offer, troll a user who is seeking a clarification on MOM regulations on working hours. Instead he is trying to look pathetic and buying public sympathy perhaps. no surprises here since people already know what a moron he is by his previous posting. did I miss anything ? oh, I fully understand.