Those ang moh company in sg, some of them are slowing abide by the singapore culture, tends to become the way that singapore company hired. Notey saying all. But i do know some ang mo company really slowly apply this method to hire people. This trend will eventually diminish once the demand vacancy in Sg is low. Especially those local citizen doesn't demand high salary pay or better numeration when trying to get job.

Of course some ang mo company will hire them if they have good paid, of course qualification must be good.

This post has been edited by Jet23sky: Nov 16 2012, 10:11 AM

That should make your feel a lot better but it does not reduce the load and suffering on your parents.

From your own personal perspective, you are rightly advantageous( less expenses... from your own pocket).

You are young and you have time to make mistake then turn around. You have to make changes if needed. If you can't live off your parent's money as working adult, do you expect your future child to depend on their grandparent too?

haha, so what make you think the other way round?

I dont have to say why SG as this has been discuss many times. You are right too, one fine day I might work in MY for more layback pace and demand.

When I was a fresh grad, I work free OT daily and take up all the training facilities provided by company. Pay is never my major concern but the exposure nad training are important to me. In general, SG have good human resource development vs the DIY style in Malaysia. Young people can progress faster.

We face competition but we have our experience/skill to keep us ahead. The annual increment is a kind of reward for your added value. If there is less competition, the increment will be low too?

you might say company can replace you with cheaper fresh grad... that's true for company that stop growing. They produce the same quality of stuff every years. You see many such company in other country (malaysia?) but these company cant survive long in SG. The demand is higher in SG so as the progress, your role increase so as your pay. It is hard life but pay better.

In MY, if my family operate the TOLL then my life is easy with better pay than SG but that's not the case for most worker in Malaysia.

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Added on November 16, 2012, 4:48 pmHow old is your child? Boy?

infant care/child care stage:
- market rate for child care ~$1k for child care centre or $500 for HDB nanny.

Primary/sec school stage:
- compulsary expenses are much lower compare to child care but you have to get a place for your child.
- may need to take entance exam.

can ask your wife to apply dependant pass for you first. Hold on to PR application until you are really sure.

Working with Dependant Pass *the limit for S-pass salary had increase to 4k to apply dependant pass iirc.

You can help to settle the living/school/logistic problem first while your wife fit in to new workspace. Take turn to introduce new element to your family if you are ordinary people.


This post has been edited by r1v3r: Nov 16 2012, 04:48 PM

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Added on November 16, 2012, 8:14 pmOther factors aside, the annual increment in Malaysia is better than SG.

"you might say company can replace you with cheaper fresh grad" - no they replace you with cheaper foreign worker who has the experience and is more hardworking than you at a lower pay. The trick for you to sustain your place is to create a niche for yourself in a company where not many others can do what you do.

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Added on November 16, 2012, 8:19 pmWhat living off them? You are still working albeit in Malaysia.
My parents (and alot of your parents) are not suffering.
Camon, are you telling me that your parents suffer just becuase you choose to stay in their house and eat dinner together with them everyday?
In fact my parents are very happy if i live with them and eat dinner together with them daily! (they have been making noise these days since i only come back once a month!)
Every parent would love to see their son/daughter live with them. We are asian not angmoh. The bond between parents and children run for eternity in asian communities.



Or are you trying to point out that your parents feel relieved that you are not living in their house and living so far away in another country?

This post has been edited by mercury8400: Nov 16 2012, 08:21 PM

Yeah right, cheap FT able to replace my role then I have to move back to Malaysia to offer better service at local rate, then what happen if cheap labour replace your jobs in malaysia? Where else can you go?

If you know your jobs type is not those cheaper better type, FT influx is not a problem to you.


Guess that's different family concept. I move out since sec school. Many of my relative work/study/setup their family out side Malaysia. I will ask my child to stand on their feet and to go out to the world. Come back for reunion or retirement is fine, Never be a big fish in small pond. I have my own plan for my retirement.

Dude, the guy is telling you to work near your mommy home instead of sg. Work permit holder in sg is like trash and you have no life in sg with 2.5k.

Which part is not related to working in SG?

what kinda job in SG can get 1500 salary?

waiter? prisoner guard? warehouse worker? some job i had in mind..and rumors from familys

Malaysia does not welcome foreign talent like SG does.
How many foreign fresh grad do you see competing with Malaysian fresh grads for entry level MNC positions?

It's not about cheaper or better type of work, its how you position yourself to get ahead of your competition. Work smart don't work hard.
And I can ssure you the foreign talents like the Indians, Pinoys not to mention angmoh are well qualified and many of them have better communication skills and are more hardworking than many of us but who cannot find jobs in their respective country due to the economic conditions.
Where in the world does any country accept foreigners like SG?

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Added on November 16, 2012, 10:29 pmI'm just giving a different perspective of how life and work is in SG and how you can get ahead.
This gives others a chance to think and decide for hemselves instead of just following the crowd.
Life is not black and white like most of us seem to think.
It's usually shades of grey.
Hardworking, independant and ability to live on your own are good traits but these are not traits valued in the working world becuase its the basic fundamentals that all companies expect you to have
Therefore you have to be creative to use whatever other advantage you have to give you an edge against your competitors.
If you have to go back to Malaysia to gain working exp and then leverage against it so be it.
There is no shame in it.
Afterall you're just trying to get ahead in these very tough world


This post has been edited by mercury8400: Nov 16 2012, 10:29 PM

The debate/discussion here is about working in Singapore what

Prisoner guard gets close to 2k, but I think they require some sort of certification.

Waiter and Warehouse worker possible, but probably have to work quite abit of OverTime

u really have problem with examples when it comes to comparison eh? between a fresh grad and someone with experience for the same post?
then what the hell is the experience u gained for if a fresh grad can do just as well and for a lower pay?
a confident optimistic fresh grad can carry oneself better and better sell oneself in the interview than another fresh grad who is a pessimists (unless you are dam good in your words and able to sell something that is black as white)
i am not goin to argue with you abt what self confidence is....you seem to have too much of that cause you think that you are almighty just because you are working in sg.

yea, so what is the harm in creating value in SG first?
the experience you gain is DEFINITELY relevant to the company.
unless you were hired to just sit around and wait for time to pass.
i agree, there are times you have to stand firm, never lower your own market value too much.
study what is the pay range for the level of job you are doing.
if 2.5k is the market rate for a fresh grad...where are you lowering your own market value?

u really should try being a politician back home....they earn big bux.
they enjoy comparing with extreme cases to show that the way do it is the best if it is not the only way.
yea, u can have all the need and wants back home.
go ahead, stay there...then there will come a time when u find out that "oh shyt, i am stuck because i have this commitment and that commitment and many more"
ask your friends back home to join you here and see what is the replies.

time is definitely more important than money
so while u wait for your ideal job in sg...how many years do you think you have to waste during the wait?
everyone also wishes to work in MNC...then who is there to work in the SME?
every job has it values...working in MNC, you learn of procedures and specialize...working in SME, lesser procedures, you learn on a wider scope.
ur first job will never be your last, so i disagree with the first job determines where you will be for the rest of your life.
if u are that particular, then continue applying even after u start your first job, at least you are here instead of back home which a lot of employers desire.
i had frens who changed job 5 times after grad when some are still struggling to get one.

u choose how to live your life.
if u want to live a pampered lifestyle, then by all means, stay back home...even better if u can just lie down doing nothing and still able to get food in your stomach
then soon...when u do finally arrive in sg, you can really blend in perfectly with those spoilt younger generation singaporeans who have been pampered their whole lives and complain.
probably like what r1v3r mentioned...TOTALLY different family values
i prefer not to continue being a burden for my family.
if having meals with your family is a point to stay back, then you should never leave for SG...well, not to curse, until your parents have left for a better place.
yes, my parents definitely would wish i could have my meals with them every single time (i go back home even lesser), but i chose to have them save the amount of money to feed 1 extra mouth on me just because i want to have both my wants and my needs and keep it for buying what they want instead.
they have raised me long enough and it is time they enjoy life.

Hi all,

I'd like to ask some question bout working in Singapore.

What is the salary like for a Project Engineer? With 4 years of experience?

Construction line doing Mechanical & Electrical works.

Thanks in advance!

Singapore cuts 2012 growth outlook, sees subdued 2013

"... updated third-quarter data and October export numbers showed weakness in electronics manufacturing and financial services."

"With around 1.5 percent growth this year, Singapore will lag neighbours such as Indonesia and Malaysia that can count on larger domestic markets."

Try this?

http://www.robertwalters.com.sg/files/sala...survey-2012.pdf

In malaysia we have jobstreet recruitment company to help employees. Any similar company in sg? Where they will gather your info and do a small interview wt u then try to allocate a job for you?

Anyone tried jobstreet Malaysia with the intention to get a job in Singapore?

Is it difficult to start my own company in sg?

Checked that before. Just wanna know from first hand experience.
Thanks btw!

Would "first hand experience" be any more accurate? I'm assuming that Robert Walters survey covered hundreds or thousands of people working in SG. At most, you'd probably get a couple of people here with your similar experience / working in the same field. They might be the top 10% of their fields, commanding huge salaries (then you would think that any job offer you get is underpaying you). Or they might have "settled" for a low salary just to grab a foothold in SG (which might cause you to accept a below-market-rate offer thinking that it was "average.").

no, by 1st hand i mean malaysian working in Singapore. That survey is probably all that are working there.

sorry for not being clear.

wow prisoner guards close to 2k? + i heard they say got hostel,can save money...thanks bro