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post Oct 24 2012, 01:55 AM

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QUOTE(happyhappyhappy @ Oct 23 2012, 10:44 PM)
Guys, I got an job offer at Woodland, planning to stay at JB after settle down, is that a good option? What time need to leave from home as my working hour starts from 9am? How long does it takes travel from JB to Woodland?  hmm.gif
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depend on ur working hour and place where u stay
get 2-3 hours ahead to try that out ... =)


actually i also think of staying in jb .atm i still cant get a house in sing. 1 nov start work ...
but mine working place is near tai seng mrt

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post Oct 24 2012, 03:50 AM

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QUOTE(happyhappyhappy @ Oct 23 2012, 10:44 PM)
Guys, I got an job offer at Woodland, planning to stay at JB after settle down, is that a good option? What time need to leave from home as my working hour starts from 9am? How long does it takes travel from JB to Woodland?  hmm.gif
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good idea if you plan to save but do not mind burning a few hours each day of your life away jamming at causeway. also the potential victim of snatch theft or robbers. the risk of being mugged, stabbed, kidnap, rape?, etc etc. Go ahead and stay in JB.
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post Oct 24 2012, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(crapp0 @ Oct 23 2012, 08:40 PM)
My bad. Sorry about that. I guess being civil is in short supply.

You were telling that guy "go ahead, it's legal" when in fact it could possibly get him kicked out of SG, and you're calling me out for not being polite? hmm.gif

Anyways, my colleague just got his PR approved after working 1 year here, so ... PR applications aren't totally frozen. Granted, he is angmoh from UK so perhaps that also factors in to the approval *shrug*
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post Oct 24 2012, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(seantang @ Oct 24 2012, 12:05 AM)
MAS has been traditionally servicing domestic interstate and pendalaman routes as national service. But this is a commercial international route. No way this will be construed as a "social service".

Where did you get the idea that Firefly is allowed to earn cost of capital only? It's part of a listed company with shareholders. It's not a public utility or public transport operator. International airfares are not regulated.

As for the argument it is a monopoly, I remember reading the valid counter-argument that although it is the sole provider of Ipoh-Sg flights, it is not the only provider of commercial passenger transport between Ipoh-Sg. The express bus service carries far more passengers at a much greater service frequency and it is these buses which are the actual/traditional "public service" or "social service". Firefly is positioned as a niche and premium service, aimed at high value customers who are looking for convenience not provided by the bus service. It is therefore fulfilling a "discretionary want" rather than "basic need" by providing a service that was not available before and as such is not displacing the existing public good ie. the express bus service. And there is alternative air service flying to Sg from KLIA.

But ultimately you are right. The Ipoh-Sg route is Firefly's cash cow. It is normally 75%+ filled even on weekdays, in both directions. It subsidises the highly competitive routes like KL-Sg and lower passenger load routes like Sg-KB where prices are low to put bums on seats to earn a small margin above variable cost to keep their fleet's operating rate high.
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I disagree with how the business model is run by Firefly and worse it is left unchecked for balances and price stability.

The airline matrix is more or less defined by SIA at today's competition level.

Sia - long haul premium
Silk air - short haul premium
Scoot - long haul low cost
Tiger - short haul low cost

Their business models are less vague and any profit beyond the cost of capital wouldn't be priced initially on a demand basis but looking into the premium services that is offered or any ancillary revenue available. An as demand grows, price will be increased gradually, at least for the low cost carriers.

Firefly is different and they are re defining the business model. Get a monopolized air travel route and priced the "premium" at launch. The premium is defined as discretionary want as you rightly put. That's what I am uncomfortable with. They are left unchecked by any regulators or operators when being a monopoly on the air route. Clearly I am not blaming Firefly but the regulators and operators for their lack of initiatives.

I was using social service because I am a consumer and protecting my self interest. But yes, as a public entity they deserve to earn beyond their cost of capital. I rant because firefly is abusing their first mover advantage with no proper monitoring.

MAHB could have lengthened the runway and allow tiger or airasia to serve the route. The renovation of the terminal is secondary.

This will not happen in Australia and Europe. Action does not necessarily require volume there all te time.

I don't have the volume to increase the awareness. Perhaps the Alvin and Vivian method could work. For all intend and purposes, I just need some place to rant.

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post Oct 24 2012, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(keelim @ Oct 24 2012, 08:35 AM)
Perhaps the Alvin and Vivian method could work.

So can we expect to see another sex blog springing up soon? brows.gif ... then you can talk about this firefly thing during all the ensuing print/radio/whatever interviews thumbup.gif
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post Oct 24 2012, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Oct 24 2012, 09:11 AM)
So can we expect to see another sex blog springing up soon? brows.gif ... then you can talk about this firefly thing during all the ensuing print/radio/whatever interviews thumbup.gif
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To talk bout that make sure you do the Alvin and Vivian thing in a fireflyz flight.. tongue.gif
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post Oct 24 2012, 06:51 PM

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i wanna to buy a house in JB and singapore 2nd hand registered car after I got my PR.

What's the market price for a condo near JB checkpoint(woodlands/Tuas) and 2nd hand singapore registered car?
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post Oct 24 2012, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(john_makaay @ Oct 24 2012, 06:51 PM)
i wanna to buy a house in JB and singapore 2nd hand registered car after I got my PR.

What's the market price for a condo near JB checkpoint(woodlands/Tuas) and 2nd hand singapore registered car?
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http://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/listing...N=0&VEH=0&AVL=2

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QUOTE(john_makaay @ Oct 24 2012, 06:51 PM)
i wanna to buy a house in JB and singapore 2nd hand registered car after I got my PR.

What's the market price for a condo near JB checkpoint(woodlands/Tuas) and 2nd hand singapore registered car?
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http://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.ph...=295323&DL=1231

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post Oct 25 2012, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Oct 24 2012, 03:50 AM)
good idea if you plan to save but do not mind burning a few hours each day of your life away jamming at causeway. also the potential victim of snatch theft or robbers. the risk of being mugged, stabbed, kidnap, rape?, etc etc. Go ahead and stay in JB.
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Wao, this sounds very encouraging.. Seriously JB in this serious safety problem?


Added on October 25, 2012, 12:28 am
QUOTE(paulderu @ Oct 24 2012, 01:55 AM)
depend on ur working hour and place where u stay
get 2-3 hours ahead to try that out ... =)
actually i also think of staying in jb .atm i still cant get a house in sing. 1 nov start work ...
but mine working place is near tai seng mrt
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So u plan to stay in JB too? Where is the location for us to stay to take public transport from JB to Singapore? And usually how long does it takes cross the both custom?

This post has been edited by happyhappyhappy: Oct 25 2012, 12:28 AM
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post Oct 25 2012, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(happyhappyhappy @ Oct 25 2012, 12:24 AM)
Wao, this sounds very encouraging.. Seriously JB in this serious safety problem?
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Actually, in malaysia all those big city got all these snap thieves and so on problem, singapore safety is very good compare to malaysia, so staying in JB must bare the risk of facing all those problem, you also can find those news in malaysia newspaper then you know how serious it is. whistling.gif
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post Oct 25 2012, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Oct 24 2012, 03:50 AM)
good idea if you plan to save but do not mind burning a few hours each day of your life away jamming at causeway. also the potential victim of snatch theft or robbers. the risk of being mugged, stabbed, kidnap, rape?, etc etc. Go ahead and stay in JB.
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OBJECTION vmad.gif vmad.gif JB not that bad la..la.. like any other cities Penang, KL, or even S'pore just need to know, which area and where (high risk spot) to avoid lo..

Avoid clubbing in JB. I gave up the very first day i resided in JB. reason:- not safe rclxub.gif the only place i find safe to booze..ing in JB is 'TGIF'
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QUOTE(happyhappyhappy @ Oct 25 2012, 12:24 AM)
Wao, this sounds very encouraging.. Seriously JB in this serious safety problem?

QUOTE(vincentwmh @ Oct 25 2012, 10:02 AM)
OBJECTION  vmad.gif  vmad.gif  JB not that bad la..la.. like any other cities Penang, KL, or even S'pore just need to know, which area and where (high risk spot) to avoid lo..

My fiancee comes from JB. Every time we go to visit her parents, they without fail remind us of "how dangerous JB is compared to SG." Oh, and their house in Pelangi got burgled twice over the years, so some/many long-term JB residents themselves think JB is dangerous. The main problem, IMO, is that because SG is so safe, you might let your guard down when back in JB and then get shafted for it.
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post Oct 25 2012, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Oct 25 2012, 10:41 AM)
My fiancee comes from JB. Every time we go to visit her parents, they without fail remind us of "how dangerous JB is compared to SG." Oh, and their house in Pelangi got burgled twice over the years, so some/many long-term JB residents themselves think JB is dangerous. The main problem, IMO, is that because SG is so safe, you might let your guard down when back in JB and then get shafted for it.
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agreed...a lot is due to being too comfy in sg until they let their guard down when they went back to m'sia (not just specifically in JB)
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post Oct 25 2012, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(vincentwmh @ Oct 25 2012, 10:02 AM)
OBJECTION  vmad.gif  vmad.gif  JB not that bad la..la.. like any other cities Penang, KL, or even S'pore just need to know, which area and where (high risk spot) to avoid lo..

Avoid clubbing in JB. I gave up the very first day i resided in JB. reason:- not safe  rclxub.gif the only place i find safe to booze..ing in JB is 'TGIF'
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yeah.... JB is not that bad. agree with u.

Also the travel time is not that bad either. they keep saying waste 2-3 hours a day. but they never calculate the time spend even when you stay in SG.
For example. You stay in Sengkang, work in raffles place, you need to spend around 45 mins MRT ride. If you stay in JB, lets say u ride a bike, you only need around 1 1/2 hours to reach office (sometimes earlier).
in total you only spend 45 mins more compare to your SG counterpart, but in return, you get cheap rent, cheap petrol, freedom to move around.

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post Oct 25 2012, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(Lester1987 @ Oct 25 2012, 11:46 AM)
Also the travel time is not that bad either. they keep saying waste 2-3 hours a day. but they never calculate the time spend even when you stay in SG.
For example. You stay in Sengkang, work in raffles place, you need to spend around 45 mins MRT ride. If you stay in JB, lets say u ride a bike, you only need around 1 1/2 hours to reach office (sometimes earlier).
in total you only spend 45 mins more compare to your SG counterpart, but in return, you get cheap rent, cheap petrol, freedom to move around.
The difference is that in Sg you have a choice. If you have an emergency, late leaving for an urgent meeting, suddenly breakfast quickie etc, you have a choice of taking a taxi and cut the traveling time by 2/3rds. If you are in JB, you have no way of physically reaching Sg quicker than normal. If you have a time stable job eg. factory or time flexible job eg. sales, you can plan your time accordingly or get away with it.

But if you're like most PMETs, you have office hours to keep but also have to occasionally stay late, come early, boss calls a sudden meeting and you have to come back to office on short notice - a fixed, no options 2-3 hour commute can get frustrating. And there always the risk of committing a CLM (Career Limiting Move) if you miss, refuse or arrive late for an important appointment.

QUOTE(Lester1987)
gets to shout at people if they are impolite to you since its your own country, you bully people and not let people bully when you are in a foreign place
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Really? Shouting at a Singaporean for calling you FT will at most get you a photo in Stomp. Shouting at a Mat Rempit on the road or in a KFC will get you beaten up and your pendatang race will be reminded by the politicians, the police, the courts and 70% of the population siapa tuan siapa hamba.

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QUOTE(Lester1987 @ Oct 25 2012, 11:46 AM)
yeah.... JB is not that bad. agree with u.

Also the travel time is not that bad either. they keep saying waste 2-3 hours a day. but they never calculate the time spend even when you stay in SG.
For example. You stay in Sengkang, work in raffles place, you need to spend around 45 mins MRT ride. If you stay in JB, lets say u ride a bike, you only need around 1 1/2 hours to reach office (sometimes earlier).
in total you only spend 45 mins more compare to your SG counterpart, but in return, you get cheap rent, cheap petrol, freedom to move around.

and

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to me, residing in jb or s'pore depends on:-

0)if still single (still on a hunt, be it, career progression, opportunities, PARTNER, LOBANG etc etc). then i say s'pore lo;
1)you wanna pay yourself a 'home' (own mortage) or help other pay their mortage;
2)after work, go back to your 'home' or to your 'CUBE'; and

many many knew foe a fact that... one pay rent in s'pore is as good as paying your OWN 1)mortage PLUS 2)two Hire Purchases in jb

location of your work-place is critical for a decision here. thats why!! my butt has been around only in woodland & sg kadut presently for the past 12yrs. doh.gif sweat.gif of course, career progression has been limited... only so-so CO ard.. you win some lose some lo...not forgetting "chap-fun" at $2.70, no erp, travelling time 40mins between causeway...all this just for a higher spending power during weekends/public holidays in m'sia

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post Oct 25 2012, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(vincentwmh @ Oct 25 2012, 10:02 AM)
OBJECTION  vmad.gif  vmad.gif  JB not that bad la..la.. like any other cities Penang, KL, or even S'pore just need to know, which area and where (high risk spot) to avoid lo..

Avoid clubbing in JB. I gave up the very first day i resided in JB. reason:- not safe  rclxub.gif the only place i find safe to booze..ing in JB is 'TGIF'
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Of coz it's not that bad. It's still safer than South Africa.


Added on October 25, 2012, 2:10 pm
QUOTE(Lester1987 @ Oct 25 2012, 11:46 AM)
yeah.... JB is not that bad. agree with u.

Also the travel time is not that bad either. they keep saying waste 2-3 hours a day. but they never calculate the time spend even when you stay in SG.
For example. You stay in Sengkang, work in raffles place, you need to spend around 45 mins MRT ride. If you stay in JB, lets say u ride a bike, you only need around 1 1/2 hours to reach office (sometimes earlier).
in total you only spend 45 mins more compare to your SG counterpart, but in return, you get cheap rent, cheap petrol, freedom to move around.

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I reached office in under 15mins. I'll choose taking an MRT/bus anytime over bike if it takes an hour or more to reach the destination. Bike isn't the safest mode of transport to begin with but I'll save that for another post.

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Added on October 25, 2012, 2:14 pm
QUOTE(yhoong12 @ Oct 25 2012, 08:57 AM)
Actually, in malaysia all those big city got all these snap thieves and so on problem, singapore safety is very good compare to malaysia, so staying in JB must bare the risk of facing all those problem, you also can find those news in malaysia newspaper then you know how serious it is. whistling.gif
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Snap what ? You mean like spycam ? We have those in Sg as well, actively snapping away.

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post Oct 25 2012, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(vincentwmh @ Oct 25 2012, 01:46 PM)
to me, residing in jb or s'pore depends on:-

0)if still single (still on a hunt, be it, career progression, opportunities, PARTNER, LOBANG etc etc). then i say s'pore lo;
1)you wanna pay yourself a 'home' (own mortage) or help other pay their mortage;
2)after work, go back to your 'home' or to your 'CUBE'; and

many many knew foe a fact that... one pay rent in s'pore is as good as paying your OWN 1)mortage PLUS 2)two Hire Purchases in jb

location of your work-place is critical for a decision here. thats why!! my butt has been around only in woodland & sg kadut presently for the past 12yrs. doh.gif  sweat.gif  of course, career progression has been limited... only so-so CO ard.. you win some lose some lo...not forgetting "chap-fun" at $2.70, no erp, travelling time 40mins between causeway...all this just for a higher spending power during weekends/public holidays in m'sia
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Higher spending power? Maybe not at JB, because it is too close to singapore, the price after convert is same like purchase in singapore.


Added on October 25, 2012, 2:58 pm
QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Oct 25 2012, 02:04 PM)
Of coz it's not that bad. It's still safer than South Africa.


Added on October 25, 2012, 2:10 pm

I reached office in under 15mins. I'll choose taking an MRT/bus anytime over bike if it takes an hour or more to reach the destination. Bike isn't the safest mode of transport to begin with but I'll save that for another post.

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Added on October 25, 2012, 2:14 pm
Snap what ? You mean like spycam ? We have those in Sg as well, actively snapping away.
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Oops...My bad English, so sorry should be snatch instead of snap. tongue.gif

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post Oct 25 2012, 03:22 PM

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How long does it takes assuming I am staying in Jalan Ah Siang and work at woodland industrial park e1? Normal working hour, 9-6pm. Any idea?

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