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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Liverpool 0-2 Arsenal - 2nd defeat!

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leftist
post Aug 19 2012, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(redrum77 @ Aug 18 2012, 11:35 PM)
Nxt week against city .. Another 3 points gone. Just great
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Never expect we had a clairvoyant amongst us..br could use this
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I don't think being bold and make drastic choice or leaving season players out is not gonna solve the problem. who did Rafa play to win CL?

we don't hv a prolific striker yet, Rafa manage to take us to 2 CL final. the last 2 season we been spending a whole loads of money yet result dun match the investment. BR need to find a way to get the team to play together and finish our chances..
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QUOTE(demio121 @ Aug 19 2012, 12:35 PM)
I don't think being bold and make drastic choice or leaving season players out is not gonna solve the problem.  who did Rafa play to win CL?

we don't hv a prolific striker yet, Rafa manage to take us to 2 CL final.  the last 2 season we been spending a whole loads of money yet result dun match the investment.  BR need to find a way to get the team to play together and finish our chances..
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The thing with Rafa was that he was quick to build the spine of his team. By the 2nd season, he had already got Reina - Carra- Xabi - Gerrard. He was only missing a striker. But for me, the most crucial thing was the resilience of his team's mentality. Being a dominant force in Europe meant the boys were able to remain competitive despite our league form. It gave them an identity and sense of pride, which elevated their overall confidence and desire to fight back.

This is the biggest challenge for Brendan imo. He has to make players believe in themselves. We are prone to give up when we find ourselves a goal down. Notice how Allen was still running around and playing with purppse when others were already looking deflated. Allen is not yet affected by this affliction. Somehow Brendan has to find ways for the players to find self belief. If it means drawing games in the league and winning games in other cups, then so be it.

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QUOTE(leftist @ Aug 19 2012, 12:16 PM)
Never expect we had a clairvoyant amongst us..br could use this
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Vision or no vision,come on just play decent football .
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post Aug 19 2012, 02:36 PM

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well at least during pre season BR admit that he wont bring instant glory in this short time.

pressure off for me for now.
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post Aug 19 2012, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(weichieh007 @ Aug 19 2012, 11:39 AM)
If BR is bold enough, he should not start Gerrard in the next game. I was really disappointed with our captain last night. The sending off of Agger was cause by Gerrard giving the ball away. Apart from that, he didn't really show up much. Suarez was doing everything on his own. Borini was also very quiet.
The only positive thing is Joe Allen prove to be a much better passer than the captain last night.

For heaven sake, whatever happened to Enrique/ Robinson?! Johnson has been linking up very well with downing on the right during pre-season, why change that?

And please BR, I beg you not to start Carra against Man City speedy forwards. Coates should be given the chance.

There's a lot to learn from this defeat. A whole lot..
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Agree with you completely.
Gerrard is having a very bad form, and I wonder that why don't BR sub Gerrard out. No offence but if a player is not in the right form, then today is not the day for him. nuff said.
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IMO, it's not the formation or the tactic that was the problem last night. Our players are the problem. Very dissapointed in the team last night especially Gerrard and Downing. Let's face it, Gerrard has past his prime. Maybe it's time to consider starting another midfielder? Borini had a very quiet game but I can see he's very nervous. Well, it was his Ainfield debut after all so that's that. Suarez was intense. He was the only star in our team last night.


And Carragher man. I think even Coates is better than him now. He just doesn't have it anymore.
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QUOTE(hfi @ Aug 19 2012, 02:15 PM)
The thing with Rafa was that he was quick to build the spine of his team. By the 2nd season, he had already got Reina - Carra- Xabi - Gerrard. He was only missing a striker. But for me, the most crucial thing was the resilience of his team's mentality. Being a dominant force in Europe meant the boys were able to remain competitive despite our league form. It gave them an identity and sense of pride, which elevated their overall confidence and desire to fight back.

This is the biggest challenge for Brendan imo. He has to make players believe in themselves. We are prone to give up when we find ourselves a goal down. Notice how Allen was still running around and playing with purppse when others were already looking deflated. Allen is not yet affected by this affliction. Somehow Brendan has to find ways for the players to find self belief. If it means drawing games in the league and winning games in other cups, then so be it.
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there is money to buy all they players in the world.

sometimes you don't get players with good mental strength.

"We can score" juan mata told droba (whom almost gaved in) just before that corner that led to the goal that saved chelsea.

someone once famously said, the difference between a great player to a good player is sometimes only in the head. WE discarded many great players, the club is unable to compete wage to wage with the other big clubs.

we have to take the bitter pill to accept that fact. sad.gif
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post Aug 19 2012, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(Sifha238 @ Aug 19 2012, 03:55 PM)
I like enter Liverpool thread after match, they are many Shebby wannabe give football analysis
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I like quoting your post. It reflects how accurate the phrase "There is no cure to stupidity" is..... laugh.gif
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post Aug 19 2012, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(bitebug @ Aug 19 2012, 02:50 PM)
IMO, it's not the formation or the tactic that was the problem last night. Our players are the problem. Very dissapointed in the team last night especially Gerrard and Downing. Let's face it, Gerrard has past his prime. Maybe it's time to consider starting another midfielder? Borini had a very quiet game but I can see he's very nervous. Well, it was his Ainfield debut after all so that's that. Suarez was intense. He was the only star in our team last night.
And Carragher man. I think even Coates is better than him now. He just doesn't have it anymore.
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It was not an Anfield debut for borrini bro,yesterday's was an away game.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Aug 19 2012, 07:52 AM)
He got himself sent off intentionally? What does that have to do with him not wanting to be sold to Barca?

The red card was warranted as he was the last man and he did shove Long, even if the contact was minimal. The Skrtel decision on the other hand was appalling. Skrtel didn't even see him.

I already said before the season started that Rodgers would not have much time to work with the lads what with Euro, the Olympics and player vacations taken into consideration. Can't say I'm surprised though that some have already turned on him although I feel expectations were a little unrealistic. Challenge for the title? Really? I'm a sceptic as well but I'm willing to back him and wait until the seasons over at least.

It was pretty much the same story yesterday. We dominate possession, spurn chances and get punished. Suarez himself was guilty of not taking at least 5 golden opportunities.
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Since when not seeing = no foul? Like that no one will ever get sent off for elbowing laa

Typical....
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post Aug 19 2012, 04:51 PM

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Didn't watch the game yesterday due to 2 long haul flights in succession, but was shocked when i saw the result, Liverpool fell 3-0 to lowly West Brom?

Nothing new actually. It's not like we had a good start with Woy and KK in the past 2 seasons. Even Arrigo Sacchi had a rough start in his AC Milan managerial career and the rest is history.

Now let's see how the boys react and bump back from this loss. The next game will be critical and weighs heavily on the manager.

How did Joe Allen perform? What excuse we gave to the press this time?
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post Aug 19 2012, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(radio_head @ Aug 19 2012, 04:44 PM)
Since when not seeing = no foul? Like that no one will ever get sent off for elbowing laa

Typical....
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The lad are in the middle of kicking the ball when brums striker steal the ball from behind. So he accidentally kick him instead. He really did not saw the player coming.

I can see freekick given if outside the box but inside its a bit soft to give away a penalty. In most cases it wont be given. Any neutral would say the same thing. But the ref award the penalty anyway.. nothing can be done.

The team deserved the beating.. no excuses. WBA continue to be a boogey team. Oh wel... Roll on next game.

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It's a terrible start to the season, no doubt but still one game.

What's more important in PL is consistency, which is the acid test for the top 4 teams. Actually, only the top 2 teams have been consistent over the last couple of seasons and this is reflected by the wide difference in points total.

BR needs to have a good system in place and he then needs good players who can adapt to and play in the system. Those who cannot or will not adapt will have to go really. So far, all our players say they like BR's approach etc.. but how many really mean it will only be revealed as the season progresses.

Obviously Borini and Allen should be able to adapt cos they played well under BR before.

Gerrard is no longer at his prime, but he can still contribute. BR will have to manage the transition from Gerrard to Allen. If I were BR, I will have to think very hard about Suarez's role. I personally love his skills but unfortunately he is not a prolific scorer.

So, Mr BR your work is cut out for you this season. I agree that we should not expect too much this season but there must be improvement to reflect that we are heading the right direction.
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post Aug 19 2012, 05:35 PM

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Scroll to 1m23s . Shane Long had just created a new method to trap defenders, really. It's sad that Phil Dowd can't see that, giving his stature as among credible ref in EPL.
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QUOTE(jimbet1337 @ Aug 19 2012, 03:35 AM)


Scroll to 1m23s . Shane Long had just created a new method to trap defenders, really. It's sad that Phil Dowd can't see that, giving his stature as among credible ref in EPL.
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Usually people will plant their other foot and harden their body when trying to make such interception. Long on the other hand fell easily in the incident. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Aug 19 2012, 05:37 PM)
I like quoting your post. It reflects how accurate the phrase "There is no cure to stupidity" is..... laugh.gif
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Yeah, you are the worst girl, same old story, never miss the word "stupid" when attack personal biggrin.gif
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post Aug 19 2012, 07:21 PM

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where do we go from here? I am not sure. but I do know patience is needed. And courage to face a series of potentially disastrous results, looking at the upcoming fixtures. I hope it wont happen but I wont be surprise if it does.

There's no point wishing for Dalglish or even Rafa now. The owners made a choice. They bought Brendan's philosophy and his vision. I for one am backing Brendan because this is his FIRST game as the boss in one of the most competitive league in the world. Yeah, it was an embarrassment, to say the least, but if anything, it should wipe away any delusion from us that we will achieve glory this year.

LEts hope for better display and better days in the week ahead. Lets hope that Brendan will stick true to his footballing style and more importantly, lets hope that there will be at least 5-6 first team players that will adapt his philosophy soonest possible, and get the team to play some football that resembles a team in progress . There are many many flaws in the team that needs to be rectified. Getting someone to score regularly will go a long way in helping.

And I make it a point to never feed those trolls whose fulfillment in life is just to drop by here and invite some attention whenever we achieve a bad results or one of our big money signings is not doing too well.

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for me this not acceptable ..why on earth we have to lose on WEST BROM .. 3-0 heavy defeat . i think new manager again this year
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to cheer u guys up a bit, Bill Shankly lost his first match 4-0 against Cardiff. There's always sunshine after the rain smile.gif

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