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INGfusion
post Oct 29 2012, 12:05 AM

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guy I have one question.

I have budget around rm800 for intel 520 ssd

what u guys think ?

520 120gb raid 0 ? or just get 1 520 240 gb ?
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post Oct 29 2012, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Oct 28 2012, 07:47 PM)
what's the best performance to budget ratio SSD currently ?
looking to get 1 and reformat my pc to win 8
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From retail shops, Intel 330. Or if you need/want 256GB, Crucial M4.

QUOTE(INGfusion @ Oct 29 2012, 12:05 AM)
I have budget around rm800 for intel 520 ssd

what u guys think ?

520 120gb raid 0 ? or just get 1 520 240 gb ?
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One 520 240GB. But I'd rather stick with the much cheaper Crucial M4 256GB. In either case, upgrading from a single drive is simpler than from a RAID or you could later buy a second 520 240GB and make a 480GB RAID-0. And again, expect SSD prices to depreciate quickly, as they have since the beginning.
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post Oct 29 2012, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(everling @ Oct 29 2012, 12:37 PM)
From retail shops, Intel 330. Or if you need/want 256GB, Crucial M4.
One 520 240GB. But I'd rather stick with the much cheaper Crucial M4 256GB. In either case, upgrading from a single drive is simpler than from a RAID or you could later buy a second 520 240GB and make a 480GB RAID-0. And again, expect SSD prices to depreciate quickly, as they have since the beginning.
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U mean raid 0 is way more better la
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post Oct 29 2012, 02:44 PM

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hi guys,

need advice from u all,

i've done benchmark on my ssd but the result isn't as i expected.. sweat.gif
i'm using intel 330 120G.. please refer screen shots.. in the screen shots also the ssd detail..

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post Oct 29 2012, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(pacatU13 @ Oct 29 2012, 02:44 PM)
hi guys,

need advice from u all,

i've done benchmark on my ssd but the result isn't as i expected..  sweat.gif
i'm using intel 330 120G.. please refer screen shots.. in the screen shots also the ssd detail..

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Have you update to the latest Intel AHCI driver? what is your sata speed? seem like sata2. also install Intel RST and the provided Intel SSD Optimization software.
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post Oct 29 2012, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(INGfusion @ Oct 29 2012, 02:01 PM)
U mean raid 0 is way more better la
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In performance yes, but the odds are that you are unlikely to actually benefit from it, unless you have specific use cases that do benefit from the huge I/O throughput available. If you do not have such a use case, then going with single SSDs would be better over a RAID-0 array. Less cables, less power consumption, better air flow, lower risk of failure, simpler set up.

QUOTE(pacatU13 @ Oct 29 2012, 02:44 PM)
i've done benchmark on my ssd but the result isn't as i expected..  sweat.gif
i'm using intel 330 120G.. please refer screen shots.. in the screen shots also the ssd detail..
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Please use the ATTO benchmark before following soultaker's advice. The benchmark results there should be similar to the paper specs.

This post has been edited by everling: Oct 29 2012, 03:55 PM
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post Oct 29 2012, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(everling @ Oct 29 2012, 03:54 PM)
In performance yes, but the odds are that you are unlikely to actually benefit from it, unless you have specific use cases that do benefit from the huge I/O throughput available. If you do not have such a use case, then going with single SSDs would be better over a RAID-0 array. Less cables, less power consumption, better air flow, lower risk of failure, simpler set up.
Please use the ATTO benchmark before following soultaker's advice. The benchmark results there should be similar to the paper specs.
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Raid 0 for gaming n os good ah ?
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post Oct 29 2012, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(INGfusion @ Oct 29 2012, 05:24 PM)
Raid 0 for gaming n os good ah ?
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Are you building a question to an answer?
I think you need to do some reading by google "RAID 0".
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post Oct 29 2012, 05:54 PM

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Do we still need to enable TRIM in window 8? or any other tweak to be done in win 8 as for win 7.? hmm.gif

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post Oct 29 2012, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(soultaker @ Oct 29 2012, 03:53 PM)
Have you update to the latest Intel AHCI driver? what is your sata speed? seem like sata2. also install Intel RST and the provided Intel SSD Optimization software.
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just update latest driver.. it's alltogether with the same driver 3.1.0... screen shots as below.. slight improvement.. but not as i expected.. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(everling @ Oct 29 2012, 03:54 PM)
Please use the ATTO benchmark before following soultaker's advice. The benchmark results there should be similar to the paper specs.
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u tried running atto benchmark but my pc hang after started it.. sweat.gif
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post Oct 29 2012, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(INGfusion @ Oct 29 2012, 05:24 PM)
Raid 0 for gaming n os good ah ?
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You can see some improvement, shaving a few seconds off here and there. But honestly, for gaming, it is not worth the expenditure or the trouble to go RAID-0. As a gamer, you only need one decently sized SSD, and then put the rest of your money on GPU or CPU.

As for what constitutes a decently sized SSD, if you use Steam and have a lot of games, you probably want something in the 240-256GB capacity range so that you may store your games and OS on the SSD. You can check the size of your games and Steam folder to know your requirements better.

You may also want to read this article: Why RAID is (usually) a Terrible Idea

QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 29 2012, 05:54 PM)
Do we still need to enable TRIM in window 8? or any other tweak to be done in win 8 as for win 7.? hmm.gif
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TRIM should be enabled automatically in both Win7 and Win8, at least on a fresh install.

QUOTE(pacatU13 @ Oct 29 2012, 07:29 PM)
u tried running atto benchmark but my pc hang after started it..  sweat.gif
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Strange, ATTO shouldn't cause your Windows to hang.

Okay, as an alternative, try using CrystalDiskMark, link on the first post. But before you run the benchmark, click on File > Test Data and choose either "All 0x00 (0 Fill)" or "All 0x01 (1 Fill)". SandForce-based SSDs, like the Intel 330 or 520, does not like random data, which is why the performance seems to be low.
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post Oct 30 2012, 12:21 AM

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Hi guys, noob in SSD and a 2 hour new user for M4.
Benchmark as below:
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which i believe is a normal as per spec of M4.

Problem is, i experience 2 times screen freeze when Diabloing. (In 2 hours times)
Screen freeze for roughly 5 sec then back to normal.

I worry that i have not fine tune the SSD for optimal performance.

What else i need to look for on this mystery issue?
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post Oct 30 2012, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(everling @ Oct 29 2012, 08:22 PM)
Strange, ATTO shouldn't cause your Windows to hang.

Okay, as an alternative, try using CrystalDiskMark, link on the first post. But before you run the benchmark, click on File > Test Data and choose either "All 0x00 (0 Fill)" or "All 0x01 (1 Fill)". SandForce-based SSDs, like the Intel 330 or 520, does not like random data, which is why the performance seems to be low.
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tried.. snapshot as below.. stange.. y the reading from as ssd diff..?? is it not reliable..?? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(ahhann @ Oct 30 2012, 12:21 AM)
Hi guys, noob in SSD and a 2 hour new user for M4.
Benchmark as below:
Attached Image
which i believe is a normal as per spec of M4.

Problem is, i experience 2 times screen freeze when Diabloing. (In 2 hours times)
Screen freeze for roughly 5 sec then back to normal.

I worry that i have not fine tune the SSD for optimal performance.

What else i need to look for on this mystery issue?
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almost same as me.. freeze when i do multitasking such as installing game and watch u-tube at the same time...
i'm using HD4670.. is it could be the source..?? rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 30 2012, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(pacatU13 @ Oct 30 2012, 12:33 AM)
tried.. snapshot as below.. stange.. y the reading from as ssd diff..?? is it not reliable..?? hmm.gif

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almost same as me.. freeze when i do multitasking such as installing game and watch u-tube at the same time...
i'm using HD4670.. is it could be the source..?? rolleyes.gif
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Should not due to GC. Problem arise after i change to SSD.
Boot another copy of OS in normal HDD no freezing issue ... :S
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post Oct 30 2012, 01:45 AM

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QUOTE(ahhann @ Oct 30 2012, 12:45 AM)
Should not due to GC. Problem arise after i change to SSD.
Boot another copy of OS in normal HDD no freezing issue ... :S
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i foreseen a fresh installation.
try to perform a fresh installation on teh ssd, i have similar issue last time when i use data migration tool.
my ssd died for no reason FYI.
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post Oct 30 2012, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(lucidlts @ Oct 30 2012, 01:45 AM)
i foreseen a fresh installation.
try to perform a fresh installation on teh ssd, i have similar issue last time when i use data migration tool.
my ssd died for no reason FYI.
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for the OS i did a fresh install to the SSD.
But for Diablo itself, i did copy and paste the data file to SSD only, no fresh installation tongue.gif

Tonight try to fresh install Diablo and see.
Thanks dude ~
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post Oct 30 2012, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(pacatU13 @ Oct 30 2012, 12:33 AM)
tried.. snapshot as below.. stange.. y the reading from as ssd diff..?? is it not reliable..?? hmm.gif
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You can read my earlier post on why there is a difference.

The 0 Fill benchmark looks much better.

QUOTE(ahhann @ Oct 30 2012, 12:45 AM)
Should not due to GC. Problem arise after i change to SSD.
Boot another copy of OS in normal HDD no freezing issue ... :S
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Cloning a HDD-based OS to a SSD has been known to cause problems. If this is what had happened, you should try a fresh install of Windows 7. One benefit of a fresh install is that Windows will automatically perform what SSD optimisations it could, which is good enough for most people to not bother with further manual SSD optimisation.


Added on October 30, 2012, 9:42 am
QUOTE(ahhann @ Oct 30 2012, 09:30 AM)
But for Diablo itself, i did copy and paste the data file to SSD only, no fresh installation tongue.gif
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I see.

This post has been edited by everling: Oct 30 2012, 09:42 AM
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post Oct 30 2012, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(everling @ Oct 29 2012, 12:37 PM)
From retail shops, Intel 330. Or if you need/want 256GB, Crucial M4.
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if i'm going for 330, is it worth to top up a bit for 520, on same size 120gb


or go for 60gb 520 since it's slightly cheaper

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post Oct 30 2012, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Oct 30 2012, 05:51 PM)
if i'm going for 330, is it worth to top up a bit for 520, on same size 120gb
or go for 60gb 520 since it's slightly cheaper
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It probably won't be worth it. If you do go up to RM419, you should then strongly consider the 330 180GB that goes for RM429. On a 60GB SSD, you will be quite limited in the number of programs or games that you can install on the SSD. Since SSDs are still quite expensive, having a lot of storage capacity is still quite valuable.

For example, Windows 7 and Program Files will take about 20GiB. Diablo III takes another 12GiB. And a 60GB SSD has only 55GiB of actual capacity, leaving you with only 23GiB of free space for other stuff. With a 120GB or a 180GB SSD, you will have more space to install more games and other programs.

On the other hand, I wouldn't recommend the average user to buy more than 256GB, unless they know they need more. Best to reserve SSDs for OS and programs and store your data on HDDs.
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QUOTE(everling @ Oct 30 2012, 06:09 PM)
It probably won't be worth it. If you do go up to RM419, you should then strongly consider the 330 180GB that goes for RM429. On a 60GB SSD, you will be quite limited in the number of programs or games that you can install on the SSD. Since SSDs are still quite expensive, having a lot of storage capacity is still quite valuable.

For example, Windows 7 and Program Files will take about 20GiB. Diablo III takes another 12GiB. And a 60GB SSD has only 55GiB of actual capacity, leaving you with only 23GiB of free space for other stuff. With a 120GB or a 180GB SSD, you will have more space to install more games and other programs.

On the other hand, I wouldn't recommend the average user to buy more than 256GB, unless they know they need more. Best to reserve SSDs for OS and programs and store your data on HDDs.
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i guess i will go for 330 180gb then

but where u found RN429 ? i did a search on gs, managed to find lowest 440 only sweat.gif

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