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ralph_d
post Apr 18 2013, 09:35 AM

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hello everyone
just got my hands on the M5S 128gb, now selling slightly below 300 i think it's a good buy atm

installed everything into it, plugged back old hdd but now storage only.

feels quick, now the slowest part is the BIOS during boot up

still using intel e8400 + p35 combination, so no ahci mode for now, but checked "fsutil behavior query DisableDeleteNotify" it returns "0", which means TRIM is enabled
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post Apr 18 2013, 04:21 PM

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Hello guys,

So I've bought the Plextor M5S few days ago, the installation was fine, same goes to the OS. The speed was good as I expected as well.

But there's slightly some problem which I don't know whether it's the OS or the SSD.
So here's the problem:

1. I left the PC for 30 minutes, when I came back, my PC was completely shut-down without my knowing.
2. After I realized the PC was shut-down, I turned it back on, when it log in to my windows, my whole Window Start Bar froze...the Antivirus and stuff won't load up which made me forced to re-start it. After restart, the problem was gone. But I'm sure it'll be back soon.

Is there anyway to fix these issues? sweat.gif
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post Apr 18 2013, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(Yagami5159 @ Apr 18 2013, 04:21 PM)
Hello guys,

So I've bought the Plextor M5S few days ago, the installation was fine, same goes to the OS. The speed was good as I expected as well.

But there's slightly some problem which I don't know whether it's the OS or the SSD.
So here's the problem:

1. I left the PC for 30 minutes, when I came back, my PC was completely shut-down without my knowing.
2. After I realized the PC was shut-down, I turned it back on, when it log in to my windows, my whole Window Start Bar froze...the Antivirus and stuff won't load up which made me forced to re-start it. After restart, the problem was gone. But I'm sure it'll be back soon.

Is there anyway to fix these issues? sweat.gif
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i fresh install into my m5s yesterday, face same problem too soon after that

just because i forgot to do this:

The SSD Optimization Guide
http://thessdreview.com/ssd-guides/optimiz...zation-guide-2/

after i did that (not all, only necessary ones), it's smooth sailing thumbup.gif

This post has been edited by ralph_d: Apr 18 2013, 04:28 PM
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post Apr 18 2013, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(ralph_d @ Apr 18 2013, 05:27 PM)
i fresh install into my m5s yesterday, face same problem too soon after that

just because i forgot to do this:

The SSD Optimization Guide
http://thessdreview.com/ssd-guides/optimiz...zation-guide-2/

after i did that (not all, only necessary ones), it's smooth sailing thumbup.gif
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Thank you for the fast reply,

I'm glad that It can be fixed without RMA it...you said only the necessary one, could you define necessary one? blush.gif
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post Apr 19 2013, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(ralph_d @ Apr 18 2013, 09:35 AM)
hello everyone
just got my hands on the M5S 128gb, now selling slightly below 300 i think it's a good buy atm

installed everything into it, plugged back old hdd but now storage only.

feels quick, now the slowest part is the BIOS during boot up

still using intel e8400 + p35 combination, so no ahci mode for now, but checked "fsutil behavior query DisableDeleteNotify" it returns "0", which means TRIM is enabled
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It's damn cheap already, but Singapore still selling it at RM350 (149SGD) tongue.gif
128GB is sweetspot imho, i bought the 256GB version but can't really utilize the space much, even installed 3 OSs on it , unless install games,
now The SSD is left to collect dust until i bought a new Wifi adapter(Windows 8 serious driver problem lol) doh.gif

Back then the Kingston 96GB cost almost same price as the 256GB m5pro lol.
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post Apr 19 2013, 01:39 AM

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QUOTE(ralph_d @ Apr 18 2013, 04:27 PM)
i fresh install into my m5s yesterday, face same problem too soon after that

just because i forgot to do this:

The SSD Optimization Guide
http://thessdreview.com/ssd-guides/optimiz...zation-guide-2/

after i did that (not all, only necessary ones), it's smooth sailing thumbup.gif
ehhh, why did you have to do that?

my Intel 330 and Kingston 300 series both need not have me do anything.

Just booted Windows CD and install away just like any other drive.
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post Apr 19 2013, 02:34 AM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 19 2013, 01:39 AM)
ehhh, why did you have to do that?

my Intel 330 and Kingston 300 series both need not have me do anything.

Just booted Windows CD and install away just like any other drive.
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There are easier way to do that, its a software called "SSD Tweaker" lol.
Yeah by default no need to tweak anything, Windows 7 will regconize SSD and optimize it right way after installing.
Unless user cloned the OS from HDD to SSD, then may be tweaking is necessary.
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post Apr 19 2013, 02:52 AM

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QUOTE(Yagami5159 @ Apr 14 2013, 12:24 PM)
Plextor using marvell controller, which it's good at reliability, while other SSD like OCZ, Corsair etc using SandForce, which it's good at performance but stability wise....not so much...
regarding Sandforce stability - in the past they had issues but now even Intel drives use them.

Here's a good article by Plextor that compares the differences http://shop.plextoramericas.com/blog/2012/...ssd-controller/

*take it with a pinch of salt though. IMO as long as they work, it's fine. I don't think one could actually tell the difference.
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post Apr 19 2013, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 19 2013, 02:39 AM)
ehhh, why did you have to do that?

my Intel 330 and Kingston 300 series both need not have me do anything.

Just booted Windows CD and install away just like any other drive.
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Like I stated below:
QUOTE(Yagami5159 @ Apr 18 2013, 05:21 PM)
Hello guys,

So I've bought the Plextor M5S few days ago, the installation was fine, same goes to the OS. The speed was good as I expected as well.

But there's slightly some problem which I don't know whether it's the OS or the SSD.
So here's the problem:

1. I left the PC for 30 minutes, when I came back, my PC was completely shut-down without my knowing.
2. After I realized the PC was shut-down, I turned it back on, when it log in to my windows, my whole Window Start Bar froze...the Antivirus and stuff won't load up which made me forced to re-start it. After restart, the problem was gone. But I'm sure it'll be back soon.

Is there anyway to fix these issues? sweat.gif
*
I'm having some problem after the installation, but after the tweaks all is fine...for now. Will update if anything happens.

QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 19 2013, 03:52 AM)
regarding Sandforce stability - in the past they had issues but now even Intel drives use them.

Here's a good article by Plextor that compares the differences http://shop.plextoramericas.com/blog/2012/...ssd-controller/

*take it with a pinch of salt though. IMO as long as they work, it's fine. I don't think one could actually tell the difference.
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As for this...I read the reviews from neweggs, overclockers forum, anandtech, etc...loads of users complained about sandforce controllers for being shitty, even now too. The reason I bought the m5s it's because of the $$$, and I prefer reliability first performance second.
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post Apr 19 2013, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(Yagami5159 @ Apr 18 2013, 04:40 PM)
Thank you for the fast reply,

I'm glad that It can be fixed without RMA it...you said only the necessary one, could you define necessary one?  blush.gif
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up to your own preference, like enable/disable boot gui, shutdown time, etc..

QUOTE(1024kbps @ Apr 19 2013, 12:58 AM)
It's damn cheap already, but Singapore still selling it at RM350 (149SGD) tongue.gif
128GB is sweetspot imho, i bought the 256GB version but can't really utilize the space much, even installed 3 OSs on it , unless install games,
now The SSD is left to collect dust until i bought a new Wifi adapter(Windows 8 serious driver problem lol) doh.gif

Back then the Kingston 96GB cost almost same price as the 256GB m5pro lol.
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don't think the price is an issue for singaporean blush.gif
disposable income for singaporean should be more than an average malaysian (at least in my mind)

i am going to install windows 8 soon, what's with the serious driver problem?

QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 19 2013, 01:39 AM)
ehhh, why did you have to do that?

my Intel 330 and Kingston 300 series both need not have me do anything.

Just booted Windows CD and install away just like any other drive.
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some things like enable/disable recovery, enable/disable hdd shut down after some time should be tweaked
yes, just direct install windows w/o tweaks also works
one problem i face is it'll shut itself down (ssd) after some time, which should be 'tweaked' inside windows settings.

QUOTE(1024kbps @ Apr 19 2013, 02:34 AM)
There are easier way to do that, its a software called "SSD Tweaker" lol.
Yeah by default no need to tweak anything, Windows 7 will regconize SSD and optimize it right way after installing.
Unless user cloned the OS from HDD to SSD, then may be tweaking is necessary.
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is it? will try that s/w l8r smile.gif
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post Apr 19 2013, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(ralph_d @ Apr 19 2013, 08:54 AM)
don't think the price is an issue for singaporean  blush.gif
disposable income for singaporean should be more than an average malaysian (at least in my mind)

i am going to install windows 8 soon, what's with the serious driver problem?
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For me it's not, im malaysian working on there lol sweat.gif
Thats the specific wifi adapter issue, TPLINK, even the stable version of driver will cause windows 8 to reset the usb hub everytime when uploading some large file, every damn time, 100% reproducible, windows 8 has been out for 6 months already they have yet to fix the problem.
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Apr 19 2013, 11:48 AM)
For me it's not, im malaysian working on there lol  sweat.gif
Thats the specific wifi adapter issue, TPLINK, even the stable version of driver will cause windows 8 to reset the usb hub everytime when uploading some large file, every damn time, 100% reproducible, windows 8 has been out for 6 months already they have yet to fix the problem.
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mine was tplink too, wifi adapter, plugged into pci-e on my mobo, yours too?
if that so guess that i'll be using win7 for now
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QUOTE(ralph_d @ Apr 19 2013, 11:58 AM)
mine was tplink too, wifi adapter, plugged into pci-e on my mobo, yours too?
if that so guess that i'll be using win7 for now
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Mine is USB adapter, TL-WN821N, it was fine when using slow connection(HSPA 7.2mbps), i got the prob after changed to 4G, the upload will not last for 10 second, and the adapter will disconnected itself.
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Apr 19 2013, 12:12 PM)
Mine is USB adapter, TL-WN821N, it was fine when using slow connection(HSPA 7.2mbps), i got the prob after changed to 4G, the upload will not last for 10 second, and the adapter will disconnected itself.
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Funnily my old wifi adapter is the one that keeps DCing during its time in Win7... In Win8 with W7 drivers seems to be working fine hmm.gif
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TRIM working with this version (12.5 driver NO). rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(Yagami5159 @ Apr 19 2013, 08:16 AM)
Like I stated below:
I'm having some problem after the installation, but after the tweaks all is fine...for now. Will update if anything happens.


i saw your post. your problem is one thing but I'm referring to the URL in which the tweaks required to run well.

my SSD so far all don't need tweaking and run fine.

QUOTE(Yagami5159 @ Apr 19 2013, 08:16 AM)
As for this...I read the reviews from neweggs, overclockers forum, anandtech, etc...loads of users complained about sandforce controllers for being shitty, even now too. The reason I bought the m5s it's because of the $$$, and I prefer reliability first performance second.


I saw the M5S but when I was shopping 2 weeks back, went for Kingston for a few reasons

1. disti
2. known brand

furthermore I had no time to research on Plextor.

now the question is - just because they're on OCer forums / anand - are their comments reliable? sometimes it's just n00b users.

both my SSD are Sandforce, no issues. I don't think Intel would go Sandforce on their SSD if it was not reliable to begin with.
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QUOTE(ralph_d @ Apr 19 2013, 08:54 AM)
some things like enable/disable recovery, enable/disable hdd shut down after some time should be tweaked
yes, just direct install windows w/o tweaks also works
one problem i face is it'll shut itself down (ssd) after some time, which should be 'tweaked' inside windows settings.
hrm. my machines 24/7 on, no shutdown itself pun. sure not BIOS issue?

those recovery / shutdown are Windows settings. smile.gif that's more like tweak Windows for any drive rather SSD specific, no?
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 20 2013, 03:01 AM)
i saw your post. your problem is one thing but I'm referring to the URL in which the tweaks required to run well.

my SSD so far all don't need tweaking and run fine.
I saw the M5S but when I was shopping 2 weeks back, went for Kingston for a few reasons

1. disti
2. known brand

furthermore I had no time to research on Plextor.

now the question is - just because they're on OCer forums / anand - are their comments reliable? sometimes it's just n00b users.

both my SSD are Sandforce, no issues. I don't think Intel would go Sandforce on their SSD if it was not reliable to begin with.
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Yeah bro tell me abt it. I feel like tau pauing the whole overclocker.net. All reviewer quoters n newbs. Seems the issue of payola and blind leading the blind getting worst.

On ssd a lot of reviews dont even state the new tech on corsair neutron gtx i/o consistency that rivals enterprise makes. On that note the sandforce still better than marvell , samsung and toshiba nand controllers. Only issue seems to be the degrading factor.


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not just there la. even over here, especially in the HW Q&A section. plenty of parrots.

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