has anybody here tried the modified OROM on p67/z68 to support raid 0??
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The SSD Thread V3, The Speed You Need
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Apr 5 2013, 05:38 PM
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Elite
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has anybody here tried the modified OROM on p67/z68 to support raid 0??
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Apr 10 2013, 07:11 PM
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Elite
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Apr 10 2013, 06:34 PM) Flash chip has limited write cycle, most SSD(as well as some thumbdrive/memory card) are rated 3K program/erase cycle if i'm correct (aka P/E Cycle), but those thing are handled by the SSD controller, is called wear leveling to prevent flash chip premature death http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wear_leveling It depends rightYou dont have to worry bout the life imho, i'm pretty sure every hardware enthusiastic like us will upgrade the SSD every a few years. just sell it after upgrade, then your SSD's life expectancy will become someone else problem lol unless you are using the older OS like Vista, which does not support SSD natively. Windows 7 by default do not defrag SSD, but it still defrag it if your SSD has second partiton. So you still have to disable the defrag on specific drive manually Unless our HDD equipped with sudden motion sensor, or free fall sensor, or whatever sensor to prevent head crash, desktop HDD are very vulnerable to sudden drop or kick. it's life expectancy isnt any longer/better than SSD, i've RMA'ed(due to smart warning/dying) several my Western Digital HDD liao I was running my Intel X25ms for Seeding/Torrenting at a rate of 50gb Upload/Download ( averaging 75gb on both per day)... I tend to leave always a 50% disk space leftover to maintain a reasonable speeds.. So with the current boards with dual/triple core cpus and ddr2/ddr3 modules all passively cooled inside. How far can this last in a casing which most manufactorers nowadays for the ssd brackets on at the side of the drive bay with no active cooling??? SSD's in note paticular are the 840 pros, M5pro and Neutron GTX. How long can these controllers last?? Gone are the days wear SSDs are used as booting drives or OS drives. Now its suppose to be a everyday multipurpose drive which the especially the 3 above series are proclaiming. This post has been edited by cstkl1: Apr 10 2013, 07:13 PM |
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Apr 10 2013, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE(Holyjolly @ Apr 10 2013, 07:12 PM) So bad haha. I fully use the partition of my SSD for windows. How to off its defrag manually? Right click on ure hdd in My computer. Check the tools tab. And just choose the drives u want to auto defrag. Better turn off defrag entirely and defrag manually any drives u want.Vista is a rubbish |
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Apr 20 2013, 03:12 AM
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 20 2013, 03:01 AM) i saw your post. your problem is one thing but I'm referring to the URL in which the tweaks required to run well. Yeah bro tell me abt it. I feel like tau pauing the whole overclocker.net. All reviewer quoters n newbs. Seems the issue of payola and blind leading the blind getting worst. my SSD so far all don't need tweaking and run fine. I saw the M5S but when I was shopping 2 weeks back, went for Kingston for a few reasons 1. disti 2. known brand furthermore I had no time to research on Plextor. now the question is - just because they're on OCer forums / anand - are their comments reliable? sometimes it's just n00b users. both my SSD are Sandforce, no issues. I don't think Intel would go Sandforce on their SSD if it was not reliable to begin with. On ssd a lot of reviews dont even state the new tech on corsair neutron gtx i/o consistency that rivals enterprise makes. On that note the sandforce still better than marvell , samsung and toshiba nand controllers. Only issue seems to be the degrading factor. |
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Apr 20 2013, 06:05 PM
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Apr 20 2013, 07:53 PM
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QUOTE(Yagami5159 @ Apr 20 2013, 07:17 PM) IKR, probably due to the floods in Thailand or something. For what I know right now is that never buy new released hardwares. The hardware sellers mostly gonna slit your throat dry. Read below. No idea where u got that idea. Hardwares are actually cheaper compared to previous gen offering. On all aspect.. Cpu, mobo, ram, psu, gc, only thing unchanged is casing n fans. N hdd has returned to normal levels but externals now are cheaper than ever.QUOTE(-oc-gassa @ Apr 20 2013, 07:34 PM) haha...flash flood affect HDD not SSD... if majority hardware enthusiast say hardware price is expensive...then how about game peripheral/accessories price... do check price history for SSD before make any shout loud..just compare to last 24 month price..sure huge drop.. +1This post has been edited by cstkl1: Apr 20 2013, 07:54 PM |
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Apr 20 2013, 09:35 PM
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QUOTE(Yagami5159 @ Apr 20 2013, 08:51 PM) :/ Yeah, silly me. True, most of the 3RD GEN hardwares are indeed cheaper than the previous one, which makes me regret for deciding to build a rig on 2011. y?? it was cheaper than the gen before. As for the SSD price, I compared between 2012 December and 2013 April, most of the SSD price increased RM4x~8x. its always getting cheaper. This post has been edited by cstkl1: Apr 20 2013, 09:39 PM |
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Apr 20 2013, 11:23 PM
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QUOTE(Yagami5159 @ Apr 20 2013, 10:52 PM) Er...which part are you implying? That I bought the 2nd GEN Rig or the SSDs? U do know theres a few force 3 versions right.Like Corsair Force 3 for instance, last year a friend of mine bought it for RM38x, but now the price increased to RM450. Which means, it cost about RM3.75/GB, the price were bloody outrageous. QUOTE(Yagami5159 @ Apr 20 2013, 11:10 PM) Could you define enterprise standard ? no servers etc. not to be define as company. they require long term reliability. todays performance same as tommorowsApologies for the trouble. Edit: Do you mean SSD for company use? |
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May 10 2013, 10:53 AM
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QUOTE(Yagami5159 @ May 10 2013, 10:46 AM) By the way, I have a question... If I let the PC idle (download stuff) for 24 hours will it generally degrade my SSD performance and lifespan? depends on ure ssd's i/o consistency and nand degradeon commercial units no.1 is neutron gtx ( heck its almost as good as enterprise units)(pricey and performance not as good as sandforce (with nand) or samsungs or marvel on writes/reads) no.2 sandforce (but has nand degrade issues) This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 10 2013, 10:55 AM |
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May 10 2013, 11:25 AM
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QUOTE(Yagami5159 @ May 10 2013, 11:16 AM) nah dont worry too much i run torrents off my ssd about 20gb D and 50gb U a day for the last 2 years on x25m Raid 0 x 3. Estimated life remaining so far at 80 percent and the read/write array on trim just dropped slightly host writes on SSD 1. 14.46tb SSD 2. 13.88tb SSD 3. 14.25tb so no worries. use it till it dies lol. This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 10 2013, 11:25 AM |
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May 11 2013, 01:08 AM
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hmm think u guys dont move much data/unrar etc..
SSD is a must for me. if not WD will bottleneck lol when i unrar a few files while torrenting to reseed to another tracker. |
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May 12 2013, 03:56 PM
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Ok here is the thing WD blacks require active cooling especially the current gen. They run hot.
SSD's now are better than ever and they can handle multi tasking. Hence where on I/O consistency the sandforce beats marvel, samsung. Meaning i would trust my torrent rig with sandforce rather than marvel and samsung controllers. However since the use of nand's sandforce degrades. The only one top of the line that is very good at this is Neutron GTX which is what corsair is marketing as multi tasking heavy use. Its also good for some light server loads so far. Its enterprise grade on I/O consisntecy and the nand doesnt degrade. This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 12 2013, 04:32 PM |
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May 12 2013, 06:13 PM
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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ May 12 2013, 05:24 PM) i want to ask, Its no hours dude.my intel 120gb ssd already use for almost 1 year, the intel toolbox still show 100% life, is there anything wrong with intel toolbox or normal? the weird thing is smart detail show the ssd already on for 898484 hours ( 102 year) so what tool can i use to measure more accurate...>.> N the life is based on number of writes. |
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May 12 2013, 09:08 PM
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May 13 2013, 05:55 PM
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QUOTE(hmwgbworld @ May 13 2013, 05:32 PM) Anyone tried out SSHD? It seems offering a very good price over performance with more capacity. Not sure if its a right place to bring out this discussion since its both SSD and HDD. Hmm but with z68 and above u can use the intel ssd cache tech. So just buy a smaller ssd and a larger hdd and it will do a hybrid like solution with ahci. |
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May 20 2013, 10:40 PM
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hey just want to ask.
i couldnt find an answer to this. most vendors like samsung/crucial/ocz/kingston/sandisk etc will have a warantty in years but more importantly a p/e cycle and a daily host write. for corsair neutron gtx its 5 years with p/e cycle of 3000. so whats the daily data limit or full host write limit. |
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May 22 2013, 05:04 PM
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it seems that this thread is kindda useless
does anybody here who has been posting so much about ssd's even know how the p/e ratio to host writes are tabulated?? or is it based on their personal testing?? like for instance samsung 840 pro having a 40gb host write per day.... and p/e ratios of sizes to nand life.??// so everybody been recommending this and that without knowing this kindda important stuff abt the warranty?? just curious. This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 22 2013, 05:05 PM |
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May 24 2013, 02:46 AM
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QUOTE(marfccy @ May 24 2013, 02:21 AM) maybe they refer to reviews online? yeah cause i noticed in the warrantypersonally, i wouldnt comment on things i dont know and i dont know half of what you mentioned the calculate the warantty example kingston hyper x 3k http://www.kingston.com/datasheets/sh103s3_en.pdf say u get 3 years warantty or total host writes of with a (3k P/E Cycles) 120GB: 96TB / 32.768gb per day 240GB: 192TB / 65.536gb per day 480GB: 384TB / 131.072gb per day p/e cycle means the data written on the block erased and then rewritten will constitute as 1. so take it as moving data one time to the ssd is equal to 1 p/e cycle. the 3k p/e cycle is the guaranteed operational cycles of the nand. so its either 3 years or 3k p/e cycle. samsung has one also but currently they took out from the spec sheet. it used to be 40gb per day for the 256gb 840 pro n ocz vector was at 20gb per day for a warantty period of 5 but they state 5 p/e cycle. this even more doesnt make sense. y?? so back to corsair neutron gtx. they just state the p/e cycle but not how much as the average host write per day. theirs is at 3k. so far kingston and intel are very clear. samsung used to be but they just state it in their warantty about the host write now and removed the 40gb part. theres three things in ssd warantty 1. Full Years warantty 2. ure Nand P/E cycle 3. Ure host write per day. why my question is say i do 50gb per day on the nand and then in year 1 i ask for warantty. will the smart attribute show i exceeded the daily host write limit?? while still under the p/e cycle. hence the question. need more clarification on the p/e cycle. and the host write per day. This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 24 2013, 02:48 AM |
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Jul 5 2013, 06:07 PM
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Jul 5 2013, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE(milky @ Jul 5 2013, 06:35 PM) dude m5pro extreme is overated..for me its either u go for 1.Corsair force GS - high read and write - Sandforce 2.Corsair Neutron GTX/Sandisk Extreme II/Seagate 600 Pro - I/O consistency on enterprise grade level - LAMD 3.Samsung 840 pro - Awesome in everyway imaginable - Samsung own in house everything their own. 4.OCZ Vector - Highest Read Performance on 4k - Indilinx 5.Crucial M500 - Good performance go GB value .. day to day. - Marvell. 6.Samsung 840 - TLC - Overall good day to day performance - Samsung ( leader in tlc atm) i really dont see where the m5pro extreme fits. seriously. and i am against it solely cause it looks like crap and even the box looks like crap. This post has been edited by cstkl1: Jul 5 2013, 07:44 PM |
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