life is full with uncertainty and no one can predict wat will happen in future. outsourcing may not a bad thing and i believe shell will have some sort of agreements to protect its ex-staf interests likes when Petronas outsourced its IT operation to iPerintis. if u afraid of outsourcing then look for a job in IT companies lor like HP or IBM as it is a trend for non-core IT companies to outsource their IT operation. E.g Petronas -> Iperintis, OCBC -> E2 power, Standard Charted -> Scope International, MayBank -> CSC or CSA, etc..

Why is it like suicide if you buck up these 2 years? Worry about retrenchment? If you are lousy, people will fire you anyway, right? So better buck up and be good... sorry, be great! Then you wouldnt have to worry about 2 years later.

ya lo......
if u ask me.....
i would even say....
may b shell think there is too many "bug" sitting inside its "PC"
so it decide to let the pro handle it....help it clean it up to perform better....
hehehe...
so sure keep good part....and throw lousy part la...right

Yeap, agreed. If you are good, there is nothing to be afraid off.

I got an job offer from SITI & CSA/CSC, which is better?

try laa go for interview for both party



huhu...if ppl like me (malay) and face like me (dark) ...then i'm not put any hope in CSA/CSC ...

you know what i mean..

there's a big difference about Shell and CSA/CSC . . . . . . .

enuff said

Hahahaha... either way is fine. Both permanent or both contract? I think if both contract, go SITI for fun. If both permanent, go CSC then.

yeah agreed go for SHELL take the risk !

What are the job positions like first? It seems that you are making a decision based on the company rather than the job itself.

SITI -> Toilet cleaner
CSA -> Security guard

Hrm...decisions, decisions...

just curious..anyone in SITI can elaborate on the benefits offered by shell? i heard that medical claim is unlimited..is it true?

that day my fren in Shell said that his manager told him that 80% of the outsourcing is going to HP .....

alright pal....not sure this info is available out there...
but the whole infra is actually break into module and dif module go to dif vendor.....
to date, all module jz down select to last two vendors.....
so u cant tell yet if HP got it all.....
but of coz substantial of the infra staff will be go out there....
so if u go interview....and the interviewer tell u dat u won get outsourced...
think of wat position u getting 1st....then think whether u should trust him/her then....

i had recently heard from my fren who her fren jz interviewed....hmm....a support job....
and he was told he will not outsourced.....hehe....well...how true is that....insider knows all....

well..so different modules outsource to different companies..how cocky can that be? is it really true that SITI is going to be outsourced?
i heard that siti telecoms division might goes to BT..so many versions..

there is always many versions until everything get settled....
by end of year u ll know....hehehe.....
but for desktop...we r quite certain where probably we will be dy.....sigh...

yes, it is true that there's outsourcing going on for SITI and yes, different divisions will be outsourced to different vendors. The purpose of this outsourcing is for shell to cut cost as well as let the experts in their industry/area to execute the work. So, example is like the helpdesk will be either under CSC or EDS, the storage is under Fujitsu or HP, the telecom or STO is going to go to BT or Verizon Communications and so on....So, permanent people will have 2 choice :

1) the obvious wan is to move to the vendor side as a permanent for 2 years and then subjected to the vendor to
keep the staff
2) before the staff move to the different vendors, there will be a period where SITI staff will be "open" to apply other
positions in shell group. If dapat, good, else go back to step 1.

and I think not all of SITI is outsource, that is for sure. Dept that involves with Process & Procedure, SAP, Supporting Global Applications/Functions will not be involved as this outsourcing is for Global Infrastructure. However, those who dont get it, will get the next round, which is the outsourcing for applications, which will happen after this outsourcing I think

This post has been edited by Dern: Sep 16 2007, 12:10 PM

can please kindly open a new thread to discuss SITI outsourcing.
this topic is on Shell Recruitment Day (SRD) !!!

Haha I thought you rejected the offer

Yes medical coverage is unlimited for all Shell permanent employees for everyone in your immediate family. No panel clinics whatsoever, but they do limit the hospitals to the big name hospitals only. Of course you pray to god that you never get to test that "unlimited" figure ever....

Also don't worry too much since outsourcing is 90% certain. If you go for an interview for a permanent position HR will tell you that figure.

You're missing out so much excitement in your life by not joining

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Added on September 16, 2007, 10:20 pmvvv, there hasn't been an SRD since at least the beginning of 2007 if I recall correctly. I don't know why but I suspect one of the main reasons is the outsourcing...


This post has been edited by tishaban: Sep 16 2007, 10:20 PM

well..just to give an example in cases of emergency..so i cant go to my hospital of choice? does shell has its own hospital's list?
i am just wondering whether i can obtain GL and go to a specialist clinic of my choice..please enligthen me..yes i haven't rejected the offer
hehehee

how about platform support ?

The hospital list is the "big name hospitals" eg. all the KPJ hospitals, Sunway, Pantai etc. if you need major or specialist treatment. You cannot go to small hospitals eg. pretty much all the PUSRAWI's out there since they don't meet Shell's "high" standards for safety. Unlimited literally means unlimited, they will send you overseas if treatment is not available in Malaysia. If it's just fever, cough, cold, go anywhere you need.

I suggest you call up HR and ask them to walk you through the exact benefits you get depending on the department you join and your level. There is a whole lot of stuff there that is based on those particulars.


This post has been edited by tishaban: Sep 17 2007, 01:56 AM