it is a code ..for which salary stage are suitable to staff with education requirement and profession experience.

correct me if im wrong

Job Group....
Wat i heard of is that there is some new defined engineer job group....
which is classified higher than existing engineer JG...
e.g. normal JG7, the new defined 1 JG6....etc...
but of coz all this is P&C, u won knw who is regular engineer in JG6 la...
unless they personally leak it out 1.....
so he himself who make P&C not P&C....lol....

I guess its up to one who boast the loudest then?! Hehehe... I also in SITI!!

for JG there is alot of here and there to difference between each other...
exp: normal SITI helpdesk is JG8, but global team normal helpdesk will start from JG7 as they are global team...

normal engineers also can start from JG6, if they under 3rd lvl / developer team as well, there is alot of unfainess also as in other region same position but getting higher JG...

JG to alot make a diff as a JG will have a min pay and that value is alot...

is there any possiblity that shell it will be relocated once it is outsourced? i heard that they are just renting the building in Cyberjaya

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Added on August 23, 2007, 7:40 amthanks a lot...actually i just rejected the offer ...after doing some serious thinking ..i decided that it's very uncertain about my career path
and future if shell were to be outsourced...i heard that benefits will be the same for 2 years and y ou will have to follow the outsourcing companies terms after that even if they decided to lay u off for other reasons..such as redundancy..well im quite sad because if i go to shell then the salary is almost doubled what i earned now...but job security is important too..

This post has been edited by syarilh: Aug 23 2007, 07:40 AM

There isn't anything better than a good battle field for you on your career progression while you still have 2 years solid exposure with alot of learning experiences. Experience is the best teacher and could you be possible looking a guaranteed of well-paid job in nowaday and staying there forever for the rest of your career? Be real and have your awareness on the new MNC working culture. Build your own good working profile, let it be your future own business references guidance or an easy access to other reputable MNC. This should be your so call job security rather than those paper certificate. If only age and time holding yourselves, my apologies on giving such comments here.

PS: I don't mean Shell is the best but without doubt it is among the best in our belove country. Merdeka! Merdeka! Merdeka!

I dont understand what you are trying to say.....

anyone joining shell lately? how's life as 2nd level infra support?

This post has been edited by sky2006: Aug 29 2007, 03:50 PM

wat he mean is...
this is the real world.....
as Thomas Friedman said....a flat world.....
world is full of competition....u hav to get expose more to build up urself....
not sitting there, doing a same lame job forever til ur butt full of spidey web....
y shell outsource its IT?? not good performing???
no....Shell is competing its own IT infra wit top 25% of the IT companies....they fight to be better...if not the good one....
but still outsource....why? competition....
to hav their IT infra to keep up with pace....they probably think that this is not their core, hence it is much difficult for them to keep pace...
rather, handing over to an IT company which is capable, it can focus more on its core business, and let the IT co take care of the IT stuffs....
is it not secure after outsource??? of coz....if u r a lame lazy pig....
which company want to keep a staff who jz know how to sit for years, doing same old thing, no improvement in efficiency, skills, etc
not jz Shell, every MNC is transforming the way they play the game.....outsourcing, retrenchment, its happening everywhere.....
u don feel it much....not bcoz they r not around....is bcoz u r in a country that still talk a lot about protective policies....

in terms of learning chance and exposure, Shell does has its advantage
i m not sure yet too who is the vendor would be, but I believe Shell don hand over staff to a place where learning is not encouraged....
the only fact that never change is the world is changing everyday.....
if u wanna learn like our government, not changing the mindset, then u ll b weak like a sitting duck then...
no job is secure forever, so better stop dreaming...and push urself up for challenge....

hmm.. guess.. to which co will the outsource goes to??

well no doubt some of your points is true..which is we must be more competitive..but the way i see it..all company are the same in the sense
of maximising profits and minimising loss..which is any business models..outsourcing is a way of cutting cost..besides "fighting to be better"
i think the latter is just a HR talk and the way they tried to convince people that outsourcing is good.no doubt many companies perform better after
outsourcing while there are also failures..i think in a way we should be thankful that in our country there's not much job lay off as some of our european or american counterparts there.. there are cases where good employees even get retrenched ..and its not based on performance..how do i know this? you can just put search in yahoo or google for job layoffs for that particular company. chances are there are history of them doing job shedding exercise.. being competitive is one thing but being inhumane for laying off workers who is a breadwinner at home.. will have an impact on the socio-economy ...you can see that not many local companies do that as "employee is the biggest asset of the company"..that's my two cents worth.. besides if you look inside s*hell careers website ..there are many vacancies in the IT line..and why is that? i think this outsourcing thingyhas created some fears inside it's own employees

This post has been edited by syarilh: Aug 29 2007, 02:50 PM

dats y.....we r still not certain lo...until we knw who is the vendor...hahaha

ermm..just wanna ask..my friend got an offer from s**ell cyberjaya and he's unsure about who is going to confirm
after his probation..is it s**ell or any vendor company??

no idea man....but....
aren't we all having the same 2yr probation at the vendor side???

Hi....may i know anyone here working in Shell House Damansara? Basically, i gonna to start working there soon so i wanted to know the parking rate there? is there any special parking lots for staff? how is the working environment there? and usually where u all go for lunch? thanks in advance..

Vendor...? Oh yeah it's gonna be a vendor allright...Outsourcing Vendor might be EYE BEE M as I have heard it from many of my colleaques.

Parking there is ridiculous and friggin expensive. My colleague who is a consultant there just told me last night that parking fees can range from RM10-RM30 a day depending on how far or where you park.

hahah.....this looks obvious man.....
anyway....all still rumour la....afterall nothing is finalised yet....so who knows.....thing could change last minute....

i oso heard some say Horse Power..

Just wonder is it ok to ask about Shell Internship programme here?

I received an email from Shell yesterday that my application status now for internship is "final assessment".
I'm in "under consideration" now and waiting for placement available that can suitable for my field.

Now I just wonder, usually how long will it take for them to call me back for internship placement?
I had a senior who only got his offer on late October, during the waiting period for Shell, he rejected 4 offers.
And from the interview coordinator, it seem that isn't any project going on that required trainee. I don't think I have the "asset" to reject all the offers and wait for Shell

Btw, I'm applying for 32 weeks industrial internship at Shell.

This post has been edited by allenultra: Sep 9 2007, 08:04 PM

I am considering a position in SITI. Someone told me it's like suicide, going there when 2 years later there's uncertainty. I also heard the oursource companies have no big names like HP or IBM, but instead there's CSA, etc. So I would like to know... is it really stupid to go to SITI now? My current company is ok, stable, but nothing new to learn, if something happens 10 years later, I would be in trouble.