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Pennywise
post Feb 28 2007, 03:16 AM

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QUOTE(didie @ Feb 27 2007, 05:38 PM)
i already done F2F interview at Shell Cyberjaya last week on 21 feb..
now watting for the result...
how long we have to wait for the result??
damn cuak sia.. sweat.gif  sweat.gif
i all the way from singapore come there for the sick of interview...
hope i hv the LUCK  rolleyes.gif
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From Singapore? SGD dont make, wanna make MYR? You sure ah?
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post Mar 13 2007, 12:23 AM

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Outsourcing - yea, there are thoughts of it and its an ongoing process now but nevertheless, the number of ppl applying to work for Shell IT did not decrease.

dinozilla - From H/ware Eng?? Hehe...


GI-NG ah? Well, there's a GI-NG girl sitting near me... I will ask her if she knows that the team is expecting anyone on the 19th

Got, got one IMG girl from Phillipines who lives in Cyberia with her friends

I travel daily to work though. Yes, many people from all places, travel to work there, Bangi, Sg Buloh, Klang, Seremban, KJ, PJ, SJ, Shah Alam, etc.
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post Mar 13 2007, 09:45 PM

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Yeap, I dont understand why people are too worried about outsourcing. Totally overreacting. The most important is its environment... t-shirt, jeans, slack... linient timing, HSSE and WLB rocks!!

Littleway, may I know who interviewed you and who is your hiring manager / boss / team leade?
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post Mar 13 2007, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(littleway @ Mar 13 2007, 10:08 PM)
Why? I tot GI-NG only have one manager? I haven't join yet.. So there are still many things I not really clear about it... If you really want to know, then I PM you their names.. wink.gif
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Sure PM me then... =) See if I know them or not..
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post Mar 21 2007, 01:07 AM

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Nope, I am not from RCO. I am actually quite near littleway here and dinozilla I think but then no intentions to find out who they are or let them find out who I am.

Hahaha... I know a lot of Shell ppl visit lowyat forum frequently.
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post Apr 5 2007, 03:09 AM

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Actually some of the SHELL staff is already using Vista. A lot of those in GI-NG and some in GI-D are the pilot users for Vista. I am one of them. The rollout wont be so soon, think ~2008?

Outsourcing will affect most of SHELL IT operations staff but somehow it wont affect us or any of you who plan on getting a job in SHELL. Let me explain why.

If you join SHELL as a contract staff (Third Party Contractor - TPC), then you wont have benefits. You pay will be high but you have no benefits and when you dont work, you dont get paid. Later on, when you finish your contract, your team lead will decide whether to renew your contract, let you go or absord you as permanent staff.

So from the views of contract staff, you become permanent staff - enjoying all the benefits like RM800 for optical medication (I think some of them buy Oakley's with this), unlimited medical coverage, not sure how much dental coverage, 5% off petrol, etc.

So when outsourcing comes, how does it affect us? Lets just put it real simple - IBM and HP are probably the only ones who can support SHELL worldwide operations, dont tell me they would give it to some CSA company right cause CSA is local, SHELL is worldwide.

So, when you are absorb, you become SHELL staff. You are promised a safe position in the new company that you are being outsourced to. Let's just say IBM, then you become IBM permanent staff and enjoy IBM benefits - so what the hell is so bad about outsourcing? Either way you still become some permanent staff and no, they wont fire you, retrench you in any way because SHELL protects their staff and guaranteed you are safe from firing for 24 months! How cool is that? If you get fired, you are compensated immediately, unless you sendiri commit a big dufus mistake at work la.

So why is everyone so afraid of outsourcing? It is not new people that is affect, not those who has worked there 1 year that is being affected but rather those old-timers who has been there a long time. Every few year, I think SHELL contribution to their staff EPF increases, as well as other benefits - being outsourced means not being to enjoy those benefits anymore. For example: you contribute you EPF of 11%, SHELL contribute 16% from their end. Next year, they are supposed to contribute 20% to your EPF due to your long year of service, lets say 6 years. So suddenly, next year, you are being outsourced, then you wont get that 20% EPF benefit but rather IBM's very normal 11% EPF. That leaves you somewhat dissatisfied. Something like that. Not to mention if you work there for several years and been performing very well, being outsourced means going to somewhere where you have to rebuild your career again, thus a loss of opportunity for career development - promotion.

SHELL operations are quite sensitive and our GI-D is different from what others have out there so there is NO WAY that SHELL will close any team or discard anyone. The process of being outsourced will be a long one, decisions on who gets the deal also we dont know yet. We are updated from time to time and the wait-to-sign-the-agreement-because-SHELL-usually-wont-sign-immeidately will be another time frame. Then moving the technology from SHELL-to-the-outsourcing-counterparts will possibly take another 6 - 12 months... So what's there to worry about?

By the time everything come to past, its already 2009. Trust me.



LittleWay,
You are seated in the room way in the back of 2nd Floor, Wisma 1, Left Wing - correct? Same team with Sarah, Jason but they moved because they start shift in Right Wing. Now you are with the girl got braces one and etc... Yes?



Added on April 5, 2007, 3:15 am
QUOTE(babybiter @ Apr 4 2007, 12:11 PM)
i'm planning to apply for a job in shell later this yr (still got some things to take care of). hoping to look for a permanent non-helpdesk/non-support role. basically, hoping to move up to mgmt level, or something like a project mgr or infrastructure planning etc... still haven't decided yet.

what possible positions or job roles should i look out for in shell? anyone knows anyone in shell that i might approach directly to make the application more effective? (that's because MNCs prefer to hire staff-referred ppl than scan thru resumes)

as for qualifications, i'm an RHCE, has MCSE skills, but has not taken the exams. been with dell 2 yrs plus. very experienced in all their enterprise hw n sw, including EMC etc. mainly aiming to make an advance in my career to get into either mgmt or a large-scale IT infrastructure planning/consulting role.

btw, the outsourcing part is really confirmed for end of this yr? what jobs and level of staff are affected most by this?
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My team people moving to DELL, you wanna come to SHELL? Lolx... I suggest you better stay there. If you are still in DELL, did your Client Engineering team just hired a new manager and was just sent to USA for training?

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post Apr 5 2007, 08:00 AM

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QUOTE(vicfirth @ Apr 5 2007, 06:26 AM)
Just a quick one... TPC need to pay for their parking there right (in CJ)?
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No need.
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post Apr 5 2007, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(tishaban @ Apr 5 2007, 10:22 AM)
Outsourcing is a worry for people in general because there is the a possibility that they would

- lose jobs
- lose money
- lose benefits
- get more work

I've never been outsourced before, my experience is from the Motorola/Freescale staff who were. Since the typical contracts don't state numbers of people etc. and instead concentrate on SLAs (eg. 4-hour response time for any urgent incidents), the outsourced company will have leeway in deciding whether they need 10 people or 100 people to do the job.

Let's say they do hire the 100 people, then decided that over time Shell isn't calling enough to justify 100 people, instead of firing those 100 people, they just dump EDS or BP or whatever else workload on that group instead.

And you're absolutely wrong, CSA is a subsidiary of CSC which is a global Fortune 500 company with stocks trading in the NYSE. They are very active in outsourcing, along with the Indian giants Wipro and Tata Consultancy. Good luck biggrin.gif
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As for CSC and etc, thanks for educating me on that part. Appreciated but I still dont see how outsourcing can affect me negatively considering I am still TPC now.

QUOTE(babybiter @ Apr 5 2007, 10:52 AM)
pennywise,
i'm not with engineering in dell. smile.gif which teams are ur ppl moving to in dell?
most of my people are moving over as contract, just for the better pay. some of them are getting more than double their pay in dell already.
that's what i'm worried abt. smile.gif
i've worked with my couterparts from wipro before n seriously, i dun like working with them. maybe it's because of the extremely diff culture, we usually have very different expectations of the same situation.
i kinda think CSA n HP might be the main ppl to take up this outsource plan from shell for our region, altho that's just my speculation at this point.
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I have no idea which team though. I never ask but I know so far a few is going over. It is a new team formed at DELL, a team of 10 but 5 are from SHELL.
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post Apr 5 2007, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(hellfire8888 @ Apr 5 2007, 01:52 PM)
TPC in shell will be affected la....they can fire you anytime if they decided you are not worthy to the company....In another words outsourcing is the time they clean up all those ppl who can;t work..
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You cant blame others when you cant perform, can you?

QUOTE(babybiter @ Apr 5 2007, 03:08 PM)
^ with all those benefits, if i'm able to get in as a permanent staff, i'd better get in fast before they outsource. haha.
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Yes, that's what many TPC is thinking.

QUOTE(tishaban @ Apr 5 2007, 03:58 PM)
They only give 5% off Shell minyak when you're a Shell staff? That's only like RM25-30 savings per month for me. I thought it'd be more....
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Yea and Exxon only give 3%.
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post Apr 6 2007, 03:00 AM

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I dont think that the outsource transition will be somewhere next year. I think we are all secured till 2009. Transfering team, dept, technology over to the new place will not be that easy.

TPC nowadays wanna convert is damn easy unless those in GI-NG because when Vista rollout, all those GI-NG will merge with GI-D and GI-NG I believe will disperse. SHELL also know that all their good staff is running out, so when a TPC can perform, they will absorb them.

After all, even if our salary is 7k, its just 1k Euro for them so what the heck... Cheap labour la us.
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post Apr 6 2007, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(hfmea @ Apr 6 2007, 12:43 PM)
since when 1 euro = rm7 ?...haha tongue.gif
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Sorry I was trying to say pound. Thanks for correcting me there.


QUOTE(shaquenator @ Apr 6 2007, 02:49 PM)
so what happen to those whose depts are not being outsource ? the RM1K also abolished ? wah, then rugi loh for those not affected by the outsourcing thing....is there any salary adjustment for this ???  cool2.gif
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I dunno what will happen to those dept as I'm not in it.
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post Apr 8 2007, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(littleway @ Apr 8 2007, 02:37 AM)
OMG.. I'm spotted...  sweat.gif


Added on April 8, 2007, 2:49 amBTW, why worry about outsource as no matter what company gets it, you are still doing the same thing just that different boss isn't it? Coz the company which wins the outsource thingy, still needs people to maintain the GITI.

For me, I don't care la.. As long as I get to learn new things and experience... Somemore fresh grads no burden.. Go where also can.. tongue.gif
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Yes, no matter where we are outsourced, they will still need ppl to maintain the current work and its not easy to just transfer technology and dept among companies. Nothing to worry about indeed.

GI-NG all hiring fresh graduates, by the dozen, always in the meeting room. When Vista is launched, all of GI-NG staff will merge with GI-D and GI-NG will disperse, I think.
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post Apr 9 2007, 01:12 AM

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I already hunt down Littleway, next will be dinozilla. Lolx...
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post Apr 9 2007, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(dinozilla @ Apr 9 2007, 10:01 AM)
ah.. ah.. ah..
u ll nvr catch me....
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Oh really, Mr. Lim? Hahahaha... Lolx!!! rclxm9.gif brows.gif

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post Apr 9 2007, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(dinozilla @ Apr 9 2007, 01:35 PM)
o sht.....got me dy......
littleway....found out his identity?
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That my friend would be quite impossible because of this, I wont be logging in for a few weeks. Lolx... So... I am gooddddddddd!!!
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post Jun 15 2007, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(Savor_Savvy @ Jun 15 2007, 12:11 AM)
Any preparation advices? Is it scary?
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Phone interview is nothing to be scared about.

WHen the real interview comes, prepare some scenario answers like leadership, team-work, etc. Where you see yourself in 5 years? WHat you do when you come to a tight situation? How you handle?

It looks a lot at confidence and the way you speak. Dont be afraid.

TEchnical questions will also be asked, only one or two though so you make sure you know your basic IT knowledge la like how many class of TCP/IP, what is NETBIOS used for, etc.
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post Jun 20 2007, 11:48 AM

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All i have to say is that if you are applying for a technical position, then you should know your stuff. Simple as that.
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post Aug 14 2007, 10:25 AM

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I guess its up to one who boast the loudest then?! Hehehe... I also in SITI!!
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post Sep 13 2007, 01:31 PM

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Why is it like suicide if you buck up these 2 years? Worry about retrenchment? If you are lousy, people will fire you anyway, right? So better buck up and be good... sorry, be great! Then you wouldnt have to worry about 2 years later.
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Yeap, agreed. If you are good, there is nothing to be afraid off.

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